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Xpicyy

An honest question

How come KR are on the top in Valorant but in CS they never played in tier 1?

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Simple. Valorant is a different game.

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s1mple*

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Valorant low skill level plus more support from Riot.

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Yeah, Valorant low skill, Honestly Microsoft Office harder to master

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Mastering Excel is quite difficult

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i can agree to this, im struggling to make a graph for my assignment

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Brensek

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Nah bro finding a template for Microsoft word is harder.

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Honestly said, If you get into the details of Office you will realize it unironically is tougher to master than learning any programming language.

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Because Valorant is not CS.

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because skill ceiling lower because the game is still pretty new,also koreas only good team mvp pk who was able to play vs NA and eu contain like 70% of nuturn and vs,NA and korea invested heavily to valorant at the start and got alot more good individuals who just couldnt break it to tier 1 in cs,meanwhile regions like br and eu didnt really hop on the wave

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cs just doesnt appeal to most koreans, they honestly like the more cartooney games like LoL or OW, so them being good at valorant is honestly no surprise

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Did you not just see how good vision strikers utility usage is compared to the other teams?

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Korean Scene was stagnated from the Korean Cafes + it's a valve game and valorant is a riot game.

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Read this:

https://afkgaming.com/csgo/news/4524-retired-csgo-player-xeta-reveals-why-counter-strike-failed-in-south-korea

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because Valorant use more brain than CS

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tenz and asuna just hold W and are top players bruh

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valulrantefanboy

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Asuna yes, Tenz play way more smart than you imagine

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yeah the greatest logic "me game has abilities, must be more brain, me game very best"

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Valorant does require more strategy/better utility for the tradeoff of it being much less mechanically punishing. Is that not a balanced take?

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KR is known for being good in Skill/Utility game like OW/Valorant that's why they're 3 years back to back OWWC Champs

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They probably just lack playerbase in CSGO. It's hard to find talent if the playerbase is too small.

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Korean people mainly fps game is sudden attack and csgo died there

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Guelry

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CS GO Not died

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if csgo is as big as LoL in korea I'm sure korean will dominate the csgo scene, just like pubg

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KR won world championship in 2010(if im not mistake). Team called We made fox, VS coach Termi and Glow, NU solo and Peri with TNL esports coach bail being the roster. But after that the whole CS scene just died down.

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there's no utility/abilities in cs that allows for unique strats. Koreans also really like ability hero shooters more like overwatch. The interests for Cs in the asian scene was no near the level of valorant so you don't have good structure or support either.

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In Korea majority of ppl play games in gaming cafes and those places have banned steam for some weird reasons, and other than Japan and Korea CS was quite big in other regions, it's just that the TOs never actually cared about Asia and the esports scene never grew up

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because back in 2004, Valve decided to charge 15 dollars per month for every single PC in a PC Bangs in South Korea. Consequently, the whole Valve games competitive scene was dead overnight.

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Wow didn't know that. Such a huge difference comparing to EU. Almost everyone here was playing CS/GTA in internet cafes

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Obv coz it has a lower skill ceiling in terms of aim so they cant be outaimed + its a riot game

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paperdark

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Imagine the aiming ceiling of a game without threats from Jett, Raze and more complicated situations, u are kidding LUL.

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SETSUZA

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csgofrogs will always cry about aim skill ceiling when tactical fps barely rely on mechanics at all LUL

overwatch dps is harder mechanically than any role in csgo and that's fact, if you bother to look at it logically

(remember which country dominates overwatch)

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taejuny

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Valve is stupid and Riot knows how to manage the esports scene and let it grow.

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in this game every agent plays an important role unlike cs where every player has all util. theres a big diff between both games so comparing is kinda stupid :)

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paperdark

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VALORANT has much richer abilities, combinations and changes than CSGO, which requires better brains, which is very good for the performance of Koreans.

CSGO? It's almost always the little same shit in several years.

In addition, KR has very few CSGO players.

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Just because the game has abilities it requires more brain?

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Point and click abilities but requires more brain, yes, that's why washed up CS go retired players are dominating this game lol.

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paperdark

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Your understanding of the abilities of tactical shooting games is too weak, LUL.

Moreover, your logic is also very low IQ, ex-CSGO pros have richer FPS experience, so they can temporarily get certain advantage in a new game like VALORANT. Obviously, this advantage will become smaller and smaller over time.

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paperdark

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Yes, as I said, at least between games with similar gameplay.

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Lunatic Hai was a villainous team back in the 1.6 days

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Like the wise one said-

"vs is playing valorant, other teams theyre playing cs with superpowers"
-vasant

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KR views on gaming allows for a large player base. When you have a lot of people and a positive outlook on gaming as a culture, kids will want to pursue it. The pursuit and hunger of being good at it causes competition. You get enough people who are hungry enough to put in the time and energy, you're gonna get something good out of it.

The scene had its legs cut out from under them when Valve destroyed the FPS LAN scene with their price increases. But Sudden Attack popped up and then Overwatch and all of a sudden you have a generation of gamers where FPS is their genre.

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Korea is pretty much gods at every game they touch. Half of the people on this forum weren't even born since Korea has been dominating the scene.

If you think LoL or Dota2 are the biggest esports, man you gotta be kidding me. Yes, modern tech has brought the viewership up but starcraft was the real OG esport and the clout that the game had was unmatched. Korea was so dominant that the finals, semifinals, and even sometimes the playoffs would be between only Korean teams.

Also, something else which is different in Asia in general compared to the west is that Asia has a gaming cafe culture. Where people go to play in gaming cafes where you can rent powerful PCs for dirt cheap. Rather than have their own personal PCs. This also includes LAN culture and playing in teams.

As such you are really inclined to play games that are already being played in the cafe/are installed on the PCs rather than creating your own interests.

I don't know the exact details behind this but CSGO is not a preinstalled game in almost all the cafes you go into Korea. As such, getting into CSGO has a barrier of entry.

Compare that to esports that Korea is actually into like RTS, MOBAS, and Rhythm games, they are practically gods.

Just a year into valorant and Korea is already beating some of the favorites to win the tournament.

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hilo0829

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korea just god at games with abilities

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In Korea CS was never popular thats why

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valorant = more brain usage

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CS isn't even officially supported in korea, back in 2015/2016, the closest server you can play in was singapore with 100+ ping, now its a bit better with japan/chinese servers at like 30-40 ping, but they never cared about korea and the only koreans that ever played CSGO were like players that wanted to play internationally instead of playing scuffed CS isolated in asia. Not to mention no PC Cafes have steam/ csgo installed.

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zzyawnzers

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valorant is a much easier game than CS

korea was really only good at starcraft, in dota they suck and lol is an easier version of dota

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Ullyr

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Found the Valve fanboy here.

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zzyawnzers

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nope, i played literally all games at a high rank and Riot's games are notoriously targetting casual audience (aka easier) than competitive games like starcarft, dota 2, csgo, etc

sooner you realize that the better player you become understanding how the game is intended to be played when they design it

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Because Solo and co. came to the game late due to army duties.

I chuckle a bit when Valorant players trash CS as "is the same little shit" or that "valorant has much richer abilities" or "need more tactics than cs"

Hello!?!?? Are you stupid or what? EU and KR cs literally have 1.6 old dinosaurs carrying and destroying you valorant children in the game in the form of Solo and Ange1 and their strats are still good in 2021 when they started like 16 years ago in a CS1.6 META that you call "low skilled". You guys are so stupid if you think CS is all brain and all aim. What a bunch of idiots. If you have any clue about what CS actually dictates to perform at a higher level better shut your mouth because you have 0 idea on what you talk about. If you bring ANY player from the 1.6 era, tactically, they would school you noobs.

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Obviously you need tact experience from cs, but cs as a game there's nothing new. Its been the same for the past 4 years. Valorant the game will get even more complex with new agent/maps. Its true valorant will be tactically more advance. Cs players will do well in early valorant because they have the years of tactical fps experience. You still need to the game sense and shooting experience that cs players would provide.

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Football is the same for 100 years too, doesn't mean there's no playstyle evolution. This idea that adding new agents and the game become complex is not true. You have meta picks, you literally use the same agents for the maps that are deemed meta to use those agents.

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the meta changes every time they balanced update. Riot has new agents/maps and nerfs/buff agents that why this game is always fresh tactically. Cs been the same, you see same for years Valve doesn't change anything. All it comes down to in Cs atm is trying to perfect known strats and shooting on the day.

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Also it just does not make sense for Ange1 and Solo to compete in tier 1. They are well past over their primes against people in their prime. It proves the competition in Valorant is not "high" as you'd like to think they are.

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dude most of EU players are still playing cs. Valorant is a year old game lmao. What are these arguments. You comparing a 20 year game in cs to a game that came out last year. The scene will change so much in 3 years as players switch and new talents come up.

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Valorant relies far less on strategy and aim than CS and much more on teamwork and abilities, which of course being proficient in games like League and Dota Korea are quite good at. If VS beat a team its unlikely it was their aim that got them there.

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Ullyr

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what you mean less strategy? Its more strategy and teamwork because every agent has different abilities and there are increasing numbers of maps and agents. This game in like 2 years will be so different and teams will be in another level. Also VS clearly out aimed Acend players on multiple rounds that game unless you're just spouting random stuff. VS were an ex cs team from korea.

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lmao as if vs weren't shitting on Acend mechanically

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Valorant offers more team cooperation and ability usage rather than raw mechanical aim (don't get me wrong though, cracked aim is definitely important). In a country with significantly less populations than major regions like NA or EU, you will statistically have a smaller number of mechanically skilled gamers. Therefore, Koreans rely on other aspects of the game where they excel at, specifically utility usage and team coordination, hence why they are generally worse at games with less mechanical skill such as CSGO and better at more utility and team cooperation ordinated games like LOL and Overwatch.

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Valve appealed more to EU and CIS, Riot has a big following in Asia and NA

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wdym???

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