Derke is #1 Duelist

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Shownu

Period, End of Story.

Aspas argument is buried in Brazil, no need to crybaby cheese.

Edit 1: Derke made finals as an underdog with a far worse inexperienced squad than Aspas who made his first finals with an inexperienced but superteam Loud.

Degree of Difficulty → Derke

Edit 2: Using team accomplishments to discuss whose the better duelist is flawed and outright stupid because we all know when it comes to; stats, head to head finals performance, Derke is clear as he lead the attack in 11-3 comeback to win the tournament while Aspas collapsed during crunch time.

#alwaysfnatic

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Flair

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what derk won?

MICKEY CUP?

lol

where was he in 2020, 2021, 2022?

lol

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Shownu

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Derke was reaching Masters Finals with an average squad that's all you need to know.

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can only win when all the Na and Sa superteam seperated

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Shownu

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Beat 'superteam' Sentinels, 100T who beat Sentinels in Redbull, FURIA who will make top 3 from Americas, NAVI and ofcourse a new Superteam Loud.

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bro said sentinels superteam in 2023 kekw

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Shownu

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They were tournament favourites before Fnatic slapped them up. Let's stop capping.

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SEN could've been a superteam if it wasn't for a certain beans on toast enjoyer

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Shownu

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We don't backtrack on pre-lock in predictions lil bro.

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moatz

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That's literally what I'm saying bud. SEN was considered superteam before their fraudulent igl got exposed

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sen not a superteam lol

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skyLord241

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aspas won champions, still wanna discuss?

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Fr, it only took him 3 years to get a mickey mouse cup🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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To be fair he played with Mistic, Magnum and some frauds during that span meanwhile Aspas had a world class team. First time Derke had a world class team he won right away

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Yes, aspas played on a world class team too, SLICK lmfao

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Yessirskiiii

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How many LAN tourneys did he play with SLICK? Exactly, ggs. Such an irrelevant point when we are talking about winning LAN tourneys

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That team with Mistic and Magnum was the best team in Europe at the time... so I can't see how it would had made a difference

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Yessirskiiii

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I won't blame Derke for losing LAN tourneys while playing with 2 extremely average players. Tell me one LAN winning team that had 2 average players on their roster

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jackb2016

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Sentinels, Gambit, Acend, Optic

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At the time please tell me who was average from those rosters? ACEND Kiles. Thats literally it

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Gambit- only argument is that d3ffo was average at the time. (Redgar calls in 2021 could not be beat)
Sentinels- everyone on their role except maybe zombs was world class.
Acend- kiles was shit but zeek, starxo, cned and even bonecold carried their weight in some way.
Optic- you’re na, you should know this. Trashies, while he may not be a top5 initiator itw(no debate), still solid player. FNs calls are world class, victor insane support, marved clutch demon and yay best itw when they won iceland.

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jackb2016

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Yes and mistic has shown that he can be a world class player at times as well, so if ur calling mistic average, then you have to call some of these other players average as well

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The criteria was 2 or more average players, only ones who fulfill that role on each team is zombs for sentinels, defo for gambit, kiles for acend and maybe victor for optic.

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bro what mistic and magnum were mediocre players no wonder fnatic never won a tourney

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You wouldn't be calling it a Mickey mouse cup if loud won lol

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whoagain

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still champions better no?

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champions was 7 months ago and a different version of the roster

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Aspas in his first year of career won 1 champions, Derke 0 champions.
Aspas will be the best duelist this year, and maybe (MAYBE) the best player of the year

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Wow, all it took was a superteam. He had the better team at the right tournament and won it, we'll see how Fnatic do in Champs this year where Derke actually has a squad to back him.

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Derke always performed well, he was really held back by his team. Now he has a team comparable to LOUD and instantly he wins the trophy.

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copium

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? lol

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Nope, Aspas clears because he has been this good for longer, Derke has had inconsistent patches. Derke #2 though

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Yessirskiiii

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Holy L. He's literally the most consistent player ever and he also has top 2 stats out of every player to ever play on LAN in Valorant history

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Ok derke's good no doubt and is a certified LANimal, but you can't say he's the most consistent ever. After masters 2 in 2021, he dropped off ENORMOUSLY, literally played awful in the lead up to champs, but then got back in form for that event.

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That was in 2021 and he still performed well in Champs like you said and where was Aspas during that time? Playing in tier 2 of Brazil. Derke has been one of the best since 2021 and has for most part been top performer no matter the meta or event.

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Yeah my point is you can't call him the most consistent ever lol

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patuj

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Maybe not the most consistent, but calling Aspas better because he's been "this good for longer" is just total bs considering that Derke has arguably been top 3 duelist since 2021.

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When did I say Aspas was better

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patuj

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I just pointed to the comment above who said that.

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He's in contention for the most consistent player 100%. So yes you can say he's the most consistent ever with a select few

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loloscum

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you literally just explained why aspas clears, aspas reached masters final and won champions in the first year loud played a international event lol

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Shownu

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He came in with a Superteam. Not everyone is as lucky to have Less, Saadhak, Sacy and MVPancada on the roster.

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patuj

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You can't just compare team to individual player. Derke carried Fnatic for long time. While Aspas joined the Brazilian superteam. Now Derke is on European superteam and well he just won Lock In.

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GreyDaze

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Look at the stats if every event and then talk

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IamVengeance

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its derke honeymoon period, will se if he chokes in tokyo or not

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Neonfreak

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huh?? he just won on LAN

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cool...3 years choked and finally get a micky mouse cup...gee gee...

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SKRossi clears

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Rendzin

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This Shownu guy lost his girl to a Brazilian, for sure. All he knows is talk about Brazil and Loud

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Itsover

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lil bro mad cuz he's silver in valorant, he can only bait with fnc threads on vlr

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you're not one to talk kid

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Fnatic is rent free in Brazil. Made y'all cry and Brazil embarrassingly left immediately, soft. Brazil eSport fans only talk big behind a screen, kkkkkkkkk.

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Rendzin

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Yes, i'm crying till today with my Champs trophy. Maybe you're laughing now with ur Mickey Mouse Cup

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bro you two are like the exact same just from different countries

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I dont talk about other teams

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You sure talk about SEN a lot cuz of sacy lol

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Source?

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For sure. Plus Derke Raze and Chamber > Aspas

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Jett too.

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People have short memories. Derke has consistently performed well on every lan. It's just that his team is a lot better now.

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Itsover

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i remember his icebox vs drx, multikill every round, too bad they threw both maps afterwards.

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Shownu

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Shows who actually watches games and who looks at stats.

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i watch most pro games, yes.

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big difference between the stats people and people who actually watch the games. If people actually watched the games, we wouldnt have ridiculous claims like suygetsu and alfajer not top sentinels in the world, NA fans are absolutely delusional.

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derke 0 majors

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Shownu

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Well World Champion Coach, Nbs said Lock In is the biggest tournament so far and thereby Fnatic the best team currently. If that ain't convincing Idk what is. Mickey mouse tournament if Fnatic wins it but glorified if Loud wins lol

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i know man im just kidding you dont need to elaborate that much hahahahaha

that match was fucking epic my heart almost stopped, and i was in sao paulo arena

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only if he wins tokyo

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Everyone saying Flair, The L is taken by you coz this take is Fair

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fnc and loud both get grouped in tokyo, KC to qualify and win

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Itsover

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you're wrong, GE will win in finals vs Furia, SkRossi MVP mwzera #2

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This +10000

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IF FNC in the next 4 tournaments make 3 finals and win the champions you can say this(all of this in 1 year and 3 months).

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Comparing team achievements to being the best Duelist is a Bronzil type of logic.

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yes, take out of context the achievements and only see the scrims and aim. So OXY is the best player to ever touch this game

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Just do head to head, who won?

Derke.

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covid> derke ( at this point he should be immune to covid. )

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Aspas
1 champions
2 masters finals(1 single elim and other normal)
3 finals
1 year pro level
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Derke
1 Master (single elim)
2 Masters finals(1 single elim and other normal)
2 finals
3 years pro level

Aspas > Derke ez

And Aspas is brazilian, much less oportunity/money to be a pro player

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Here we go with the favela excuses.

Aspas - 1 year pro experience with Superteam in every role.

Derke - 3 year pro experience with Superteam in his 3rd season for the first time.

If we are being calculative then let's do this.

1st tournament with Superteam

Derke - 1 final and 1 trophy
Aspas - 1 final and 0 trophy

2nd Tournament: Pending for Derke

Owned your argument in 1 minute.

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aspas carried bronzil in champions, eu dogs only use this as a copium mechanism to try and say they're on top after a mickey mouse tourney, will always stay as a clown region, keep malding while brazil lives rent free in your head

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Let's completely forget about Less, Saadhak, Sacy and the MVP of Champions Pancada

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loloscum

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Exactly why it doesnt make sense to compare derke and aspas, aspas had good stats overall playing with a team that was almost composed of the best in each role, you're literally delusional

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WTF are you even talking about look
Aspas averaged 215ACS at Champions how is that carrying. He literally has the WORST stats in his team during champions. EVEN Saadhack has better stats than aspas at champions

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Thats why you can't compare when Loud was far better than FNC. Derke always had to carry. Aspas in a lot of games didn't even see the enemies because less or sacy was killing everybody

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Tf is that argument. Aspas is the duelist entry, if your smoker and sentinel are killing everyone before you see them you're literally baiting and an awful duelist xDD. That's def not what happened

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just look the stats of LOUD on defense. That's only true on the attack side.

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Did he not look for peeks? Or always chose the wrong side to peek? Bro how are you trying to defend me that a duelist who had the worst stats of his team did well. Try to leave the bias to a side for a sec

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Look the way loud use to play and now. They didn't let aspas play his game, Sacy said many times they were puting him on the leash like a obedient dog. rn he can do whatever he want.

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Rn I feel like if you were telling me that d3ffo was the best duelist in the world back when GMB was the best. He won the trophies and did what his team needed him to do. But yay was the better duelist

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Here you go with the crooked teeth excuses

"But bro, trophies don't matter!! Why would you even consider players accomplishment to evaluate if he is good or not!? lol, makes no sense!

Doesn't matter if Derke got diffed by mwzera, even in his super team. (and almost lost to flukria)

Derke is way more consistent and didn't have a superteam before. Yes, aspas in 1 year reached all those finals and won champions. But, bro Derke is finally in a super team and already won lock-in! For now, that's all that matters. Period, End of Story."

~ Shownu, the master of logic

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yep, mwzera alone diff the entire of FNC even Furia having 0 fundamentals and throwing rounds.

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now you say that loud was a superteam in every role
back in iceland i doubt you would say that

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Loud were inexperienced in Iceland but they had a top roster.

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I don't understand why ppl are bringing up trophies to argue aspas is better. To compare individual skill u don't bring up trophies but stats and if u do bring up stats derke clear of aspas
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1014/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1188/champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo
All the tournaments they both played together and derke still clear of aspas

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For Everyone saying aspas is better because he has reached finals one more time than Derke please do not to be delusional aspas has always had a superteam around him while Derke has had players like Mistic Enzo Magnum or Doma.

Even with "worse" results Derke has MUCH better stats than aspas in EVERY event where they have both attended. Better stats at Lock in, better stats at Champions, and better stats at Copenaghen.

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Exactly the point i made Mortadelo my brother. If he had a superteam from the start he 100% would have won minimum 2 LAN tourneys

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Derke in Gambit would have won 3 minimum imo

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Lowkey i think they win 4-5 in a row

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They would have qualed for reykjavik 21 cuz no derke in fnc=no win back then, and derke was the one who hard carried fnc vs gambit to qualify btw, so 3 in a row were easily achievable. With all due respect to d3ffo, derke is just a better entry player, they could have kept the same playstyle they had and win by wider margins cuz derke would get those extra entry kills that d3ffo didn't get.

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Derke has always been the best player on his team on every event but Lock in where he was 2. On the other hand aspas was literally the last player statistically of his team at Champions (the title they use to justify aspas > Derke)

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Thats also a very stupid argument, how do you expect aspas to be the best fragger in a team composed with almost the top 4 players at the time? Its like me when i play with my friend in his smurf, he always gets 3x our kills because hes simply better.

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Well because it's not a public Valorant ranked match lol. The team sets up the duelist for entries and kills. Just like Sayf said that every duelist needs a great team behind him to shine

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Yes and aspas opens up site and controls it, derke literally does silver plays ( said by the pros themselves ) and is totally aggressive, he has a insane aim and game sense but you just cant compare.. Look at his stats with fnc and compare with his old team, this is what im talking about, its easy to shine playing with a bunch of muppets

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So you're saying aspas is boosted? xD

Dude he had the worst stats of his entire team during champions while on duelist

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lmaooooooo W

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So heat is the best player to ever touch this game right? Cuz he had a way worse team and in both international events he was the top 3 stats EVEN losing the games.

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Heat is a very good duelist and was one of the best in the world when he was in a good team like VK (recognized by everyone, and on many power rankings at that moment). Now he is in an awful team and won't make LAN's because he has fallen off

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Braindead argument. We look at rnd differential as well and derke and aspas had similar rnd differential

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yeah slick and foguete were better than fnatic

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Cned 1 major
Aspas 1 major

Derke won a pre-franchise tournament hahahahahaha

When he won a major, we'll talk about it ...

Masters aren't a major, champions is the major.

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Aspas won a major as the worst player on his own superteam but again that's not the argument but carey on

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Nope, Pancada and Less played better than him, only these 2.

But that dosen't matter, because he was doing what he needed to do

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How the fuck people thinks that aspas is the best duelist when the only duelist he plays at high level is jett,derke can play the majority of duelist with a really good level,just only brazilians kids defending his star player...

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Literally not a single upvote on any comment, homie is a walking L

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Havoc clears

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Lets see in tokyo grand finals who will be better loud or fnatic

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Brother Loud will get 3-0d quick. Don't let the momentum of the crowd fool you into thinking Loud can match Fnatic in a neutral event.

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Derke - the fearless

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when he wins real tourney, he can be #1

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Real enough to decide slots for Tokyo. That's a pretty big event.

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KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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''Aspas argument is buried in Brazil, no need to crybaby cheese'' chill bro. he is the best duelist this game ever seen. derke is washed, whos derke is chicken ass?