pros back to cs?

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vasswood

ik wardell was most likely memeing abt his return to cs, but it wouldnt be the worst idea for some na valorant pros who were upcoming in cs to return after the franchising shuffle?

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Tier 2 cs is more dead than tier 2 valorant will be this next year. I think lots of players and orgs will stay and fight for promotion

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Tier 2 Valorant is gonna be more alive than ever wdym, more tier 2 teams help tier 2, not fuck it up

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But what do you mean? They never said anything abou more teams ruining tier 2 valorant. They only said that pros in tier 2 valorant will have more opportunities than they would if they went back to csgo.

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Sorry, I thought that > tier 2 cs is more dead than tier 2 Valorant will be next year

Implied that it was gonna be a little bit dead yk. I’ve just seen way too many NA fans talking about all the jobs lost and orgs that are gonna leave like if VRL wasn’t gonna be great too

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That’s what I meant to say, that players won’t leave val because tier 2 val will be more healthy than tier 2 cs is currently.

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Mortadelo

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Yeah sorry missunderstood

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Tier 2 scene is filled with match fixing and walling. Unless you're a prodigy, you'll be stuck there forever until a iBUY situation happens and you're back in tier 2 Valorant.

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That's because all of Tier2 CS is signed to EG lmao

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wardell should just leave valorant as a whole at this point if he thinks being a pro in valorant is so worthless LOL
Ever since he got the boot he just cries about the people who are better than him being signed

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vasswood

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he's just impression farming

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spookmeister

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idc hes still a mid as fuck player and is 100% salty about it
even if hes just farming he still believes what he says a little

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vasswood

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i think he is actually talented enough for tier 1 competition, just more of a work ethics issue

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Ullyr

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Nah at this point he's really mid . In the beginning yeah cause there's literally no comp. I feel like Wardell is really an op clutch Jett chamber. There's so many ppl like that now in both tier 1 and tier 2 scene that have other agents or do more than him.

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Return to what exactly? Not a lot of infrastructure here. But hey, play ESEA, form pugs and hope for the best I suppose. Orgs not coming to save CS without some sort of incentive. And hoping to get to a major for sticker money isn’t the smartest idea.

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Nice point of view , really want to see more teams on NA cs

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Fayt

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Why tho? Riot will provide way better infrastructure for tier 2 and actually good chances to promotion to franchise than any cs organization will in tier 2 there

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I used to love Wardell but now he just seems like a salty crybaby to me. Does he expect some big name org to just magically come and pick him up like he's some hot shit? What is his worth? that he played for TSM in 2020? The sad part is he actually is pretty talented. If he just stops crying so much and get on a team and grind he could actually become something.

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W i only tune in when he's doing gym stuff, other than that hes crying

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he said he had plenty of offers but didn’t want to play pro. i’m sure some of those offers still stand. nobody in the pro scene forgets how good he is. hope to see him back soon or else val gets pretty boring to watch for me (what i get for liking only one player)

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NA need a kind of Gaules to revive the scene , or maybe they could bring back that pug streams with stewie , jason , hazed , brax , jdm , moe , flom and many others . That shit was funny as fuck back then and i know a lot of people miss that

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i dont think north america will ever as passionate for cs as they are for val

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PoohShiesty

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Only if Valve decides to actually support the game.
They need to totally change their entire approach. Make the game advertiser/sponsor friendly, better anticheat, better MM system, more marketing/advertising, etc..
All those things will never happen though.

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lol do you realise NA cs is pretty much dead
liquid is the only team that is alive and they are getting carried by yekindar
(nobody has hope for complexity so lets not argue)

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carried by yekindar? they have a strong core and osee is a top 10 awper. complexity has become more promising ever since they benched junior. have u not watched cs since the player break?

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I watched all EPL games. Yes col qualified out of groups but thats as far as they go and we all know it. You obviously didnt watch since player break if you think yekindar is not carrying lol hes been literally playing insane like yesterday. I agree osee top10 awper but thats really not saying much is it when theres 1 awper per team lol he did play like a potato yesterday if you watched the game

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juno_VLR

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idk elige has played much better since cologne started. yek still has a bunch of impact tho. seems like a team effort tbh.

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vasswood

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ofc it's a team effort u dont become #3 in the world (albeit the rankings are wack rn) by getting carried. #19 is fakeflagger

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vasswood

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nvm, it was all yekindar indeed

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Bro ppl are delusional to think anyone worthy of tier 1 NA or tier 2 cs would ever come back to NA cs. What infrastructure is there in cs for NA or tier 2 scene ? They would rather be a streamer in valorant since viewership is popping off in this game. Look at zellsis a couple months ago had like 300 viewers now 3k average from SEN exposure.

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current T1 NA cs teams are not performing good do you think these val pros who have not played cs for years and were t2 cs players at best before have a chance to get more success....grinding t2 val is still better and hope there is a change in format after few years

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elayaCL

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Sad thing for ex pros is that NA csgo scene is in shambles rn. Idk if that would be a good reason for them to change

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Mmm it looks complicated but if there is a chance that some very low tier pros will start to look at cs

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vasswood

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yea i shouldve specified in thread: very low tier pros that are in the lower half of tier2/ascension league

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honestly there is a chance some orgs move back to cs now

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hekzy

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Guys. No valorant pro can make it in CS.

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vasswood

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see thats the fun question, who could make it?

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vasswood

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edit: sorry replied twice

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I can definitely see some players moving back as well as orgs

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well with wardell doesnt have any good persona nor an actual skill, i think its pretty safe to say he's so done in esport unless he's doing something with his work ethics

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vasswood

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maybe he'll actually put in effort in cs because he respects the skill ceiling, old habits die hard tho