about VIEWERSHIP (positive thread)

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guys who think valorant's viewership is low don't forget that CS was doing the same as valorant's first year without crowds all the years except for after covid
here's some examples
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/faceit-major-london-2018
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/eleague-major-2018
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-krakow-2017
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/eleague-major-2017

so we're chilling, this game is only gonna grow
this is no hate thread thread towards CS just to prove the doubters wrong

CHAMPIONS ISTANBUL IS GONNA BE LIT AF 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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The problem is the viewership is decreasing not growing

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Fanbases matter... Look at Astralis v AVANGAR for the 2019 Berlin Major... 800k. Why?? AVANGAR had 0 support, and Astralis was looked at as boring at the time. They had a whole era of constantly winning. Same thing will happen in Valorant... FPX doesnt really have a strong fanbase. Replace FPX w/ G2 and viola instant million lol. Same goes with Paper Rex...

Just kind of how viewership works. If NaVi or FaZe doesn't make it to a GF you'll notice a steep decline in viewers because those 2 team house some popular players and they're popular orgs.

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not 0 support I am number 1 avangar/vp fan

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Just saying prx is one of the most popular teams. I know you dont consider them as equal but asian viewers are still counted in the viewership.

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PRX are not one of the most popular teams just cause they’re Asian. This whole team came from CSGO -Jingg and they weren’t that popular. After this tournament I’m sure there popularity has increased though.

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750k without brazil, spanish, japanese or sentinels fanbase. that's a W in my books. prx have fanbase all over asia(and now world too) but nothing compared to the others i have mentioned, fpx are probably one of the least clouted team, if these two teams can give such a good show, its nothing but Ws

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luv how sen fanbase is grouped with the whole regions lmao

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Well they do have the most famous val player of all time

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If you have Tenz Shroud Shahz and Sinatraa in your Organisation then why not lol. They make up like 50% of Valorants Viewerbase

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symbols07

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now thats a strech, these 4 people dont even make 50% of the english valorant viewerbase. many people know them, but not all of them are dedicated fans who just watch them

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LOL i was just gonna say... fair enough

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totneK_kaT_umkaM

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Yeah, the problem is that prx fans(mostly asia) already sleep at this time. The timezones fuck us all. So we can't carry the viewership

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Its not just about final though, you can also look at the playoff matches which had all the region except brazil and on an average viewership was around 400-450k , and the whole tournament had 317k average viewership which is kind of low considering there is not many international match up we get to see in valorant so when there is one there should be good viewership considering excitement of an international match up . on the other hand csgo , all the match up that may occur in major people probably have seen the same matchup 2-5 times before major, either in pro league or iem or any other s tier tournament. so there is just excitement of the major rather than any international matchup. this is the same reason why first masters had more viewer than any other masters. excitement of an international matchup is just wearing off.

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I think people underestimate the fanbases of sentinels, g2 and liquid. They were by far the most popular teams in 2021. They basically made the viewership overblown.

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isnt cs literally almost only EU fanbase

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i think its important to note
the finals had fpx and pprx both teams dont hav big fanbases when compared to SEN, FNC, G2etc

its bad for short term
but good for long term

but also dont think 700k is that bad tbh

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totneK_kaT_umkaM

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What is the highest viewership this year?

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Matrix13e

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1mil

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Thanks, (13)

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queueK

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~1.1 mil for Iceland's finals.

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totneK_kaT_umkaM

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Still ok then,
It's riot problem to figure out the viewership unbalance from different region.

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queueK

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it's a natural thing.

team does well -> more people from the region watch team next event

only place this hasn't held exactly true is Korean fans and DRX, but there are a lot of external factors affecting that.

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Yeah but my guess is because prx fans can't carry this viewership. So now 750K+ is mostly emea fans.
Since most prx fans & japan viewer is sleeping at this time,

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queueK

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Japan still has like 100k despite being asleep it's crazy

I think a lot of them are NA/BR/LATAM fans watching to see who wins, PRX has a lot of international fans (80% of the twitter poll voted them to win vs FPX)

EMEA is probably like 20-35% imo.

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+1m for Optic vs Loud

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queueK

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there's no real reason to compare it to CS.

sports, and esports tend to have extremely dedicated fans that watch games for their teams / players for years on end. CS, having decades of fans, 100% has more viewers!

it's like Valorant's big brother. And, you can already see this happening with some teams garnering massive fanbases. M3C / Gambit had consistently high viewership despite being all the players and the team being unknown before 2021. Sentinels have a similar story. Paper Rex is currently doing the exact same thing!

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Why not compare it to CS though? It's a direct competitor and I'm sure most people only invest a lot of time in either of the titles (both playing and watching them)

I personally enjoyed playing Valorant a lot more than csgo recently. The cs final in cologne was unmatched in terms of hype but this val final was so fun to watch and they have some insane talents that I'm sure are going to keep pushing the skill ceiling of the genre to the edge!

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Matrix13e

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wow a new account of a cs fan and is not toxic wtf damn

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queueK

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i'm sure the vast majority of cs fans aren't toxic lol it's just the 1% that are douches.

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queueK

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i meant using the comparision as an alarming indicator that the game is "dying", or as a standard it should reach immediately.

it should definitely be used as a benchmark though!

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His argument is that CS is such an old game that people from different generations have played CS, they might not play CS, but many definitely still watch the game. To create such an ecosystem riot can't do anything but wait, so comparing CS viewership vs Valorant viewership isn't exactly the most accurate way to measure how valorant is doing. It's fair to say many pros/kids who play valorant right now will eventually turn into a potential viewers in the future masters event.

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I think viewership for this game is healthy no need to compare to cs (they are doing very well there as well), do you guys feel tho that this game is still riding a high being that its still new as an esport and as a game and that it could drop off years from now? just curious what everyone thinks

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Valorant will be kept alive by Riot, they invest way too much money in Valorant for it to die

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I think so to, just a little nervous because as time moves on so do people's interests, and we've seen games have massive massive popularity like overwatch lose it's popularity over time whether it be to bad updates or metas etc... But I think where its at right now is good, updates have to be good tho and riot have to make good decisions

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Thankfully, I don't think Riot can fuck up as hard as the OW devs did so we should be okay

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queueK

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Overwatch and Valorant are in completely different boats IMO. the esports side of OW got cucked right as soon as it started by announcing the OWL way before the grassroots scene could really develop.

EMEA OW got completely fucked over by franchising, APAC and South America basically didn't exist (I suspect due to the game being 40 US). IIRC the Thai OWC team had to crowdfund their travel expenses to compete.

Valorant is popular casually all over the world outside of Eastern Europe. Its average twitch viewers are higher than OWs peaks ever were.

It would take an absolutely massive fuckup by RIOT to destroy the scene.

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popularity is often lost in the game itself and not in the competetive scene unless someone fucks up like overwatch did. csgo does better in esports (more popular, a lot less people play cs casually and dont watch esports), same with lol(there are people for both but the esports scene is too big)

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riot could use the OWL as a lesson for what not to do for franchising

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NG1nS

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W, i'm excited too

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Bit unfair to compare cs 2018 and val 2022. Esports and live streaming has grown a lot since than. There's a much larger market and a larger audience now compared to 2018. That's why esport viewership in popular titles are growing each year. But val is in a healthy state rn.

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i was about to say this, W

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Also
IEM Cologne had lesser avg viewership than this masters copenhagen (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-cologne-2022)
Only their GF peaked at a million viewers

https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2022-stage-1-masters-reykjavik We had higher avg viewership than them

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Cologne is a big t1 event. It's not going to be the most watched cs event, because it's t1 event with fans that are going to focus on playoffs in the arena. Better comparison is a major.

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CraigGarth01

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But wont we compare major with champions istanbul?
Since champions is more like the major of valorant

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3 international events compared to 15 international t1 events. The 3 are going to get more viewers because it brings more hype. Not everyone will be willing to watch 15 grand finals in a year.

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CraigGarth01

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alr mb then

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people who watch watchparties stick around between games, that benefits the average a lot.

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tbf Cologne was a sleeper with top 1 and 2 and then tier 2 teams in the play offs and some of the group stage matches were played during the business days, so some people were stuck at work, at least -1 viewer (me) lmao

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that is irrelvant tho since Cologne has a completly different format (play ins which people dont watch that much)

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This event wasn't carried much by watchparties unlike other events

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Lets not act like esports 4 years ago was as big as today

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wohe

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CAHMPIONS GONNA BE LIT AF 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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Yeah, world has changed a lot

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vlr users trying not to mention cs for 30 minutes (impossible)

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you shouldnt care about viewers too much

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wohe

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i really don't i just want the users of the site and newcomers to understand that the game is in a good place

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Valorant already at 2018 CSGO level. 15 year old game vs 2 year old

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SKara

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Saw average viewership of masters and champions damm its soo low hope rito picks good orgs to increase viewership

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NwithanL

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Just wait till an indian team make it onto the world stage. But i don't think its gonna happen any sooner T_T

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Why are Indian teams so bad? 1.4 billion people, many playing Val (as far as I know), and no good team or world class player. Really no offense, I'm just curious.

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NwithanL

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Lack of opportunities for younger players.
Not so encouraging society or supportive parents.
Isolated region.
And many more reason idk

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ThePrometheu5

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It just feels like a missed opportunity, because it's a really huge market. And we can really tell the same about some of your "friendly" neighbours like Pakistan. Or folks playing cricket only on PC as well? :D

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Boomers=lazy ass

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just we need BBL vs SEN match in Champions

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ThePrometheu5

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FNATIC vs SEN better, I think the Turkish viewers would love to see Alfajer destroying Mike Tyson :D

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D:

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wohe

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i think u don't even know what the hell are you talking about

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ThePrometheu5

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Mike Tyson= Mike “shroud” Grzesiek + Tyson “TenZ” Ngo

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wohe

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not the sen part

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Hopium + copium = this thread

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speaking of rent free

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optimistic mentality from you to say the least, the fact valorant needs popular teams in order to have viewers watch the games just proves the fanbase is mostly casuals and no1 is here to watch the game itself but just watch their national teams and players they like