Why does everyone question the 100T pickup of ec1s but not the TSM pickup of Rossy? ec1s was a good IGL over in Europe for NiP while IMT had probably their worst variation with Rossy as IGL. I don't really think either is a bad move but I just don't understand why the 100T pickup is so much more questionable to everyone on this site.
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You do realise 100T dropped an IGL like Steel right? They were probably the 3rd best team in the world after gmb n Nv at the time of masters Berlin. And dropping Steel to settle on a guy who IGLed for a tier 2 EU team is just weird. Nothing against Ec1s just pointing out why ppl are mad. I do think he has a lot of potential. But he has to live upto it. And as for TSM, same old story. Really miss them on the winning sides.
ManuelFoFoFav [#15]no next year a very sexy and insane team will take over (TSM)
True but TSM is the only good team in NA
kickstar [#10]You do realise 100T dropped an IGL like Steel right? They were probably the 3rd best team in the world after gmb n Nv at the time of masters Berlin. And dropping Steel to settle on a guy who IGLed for a tier 2 EU team is just weird. Nothing against Ec1s just pointing out why ppl are mad. I do think he has a lot of potential. But he has to live upto it. And as for TSM, same old story. Really miss them on the winning sides.
Again I'd rather have an IGL the players actually wanna play with
helohelo [#6]100T don't believe in the homegrown quota they are lucky to even have asuna
they do, they are just not willing to invest that extra time, and honestly u cant blame them, they have a huge fanbase, only 4 esports (excluding fartnite) and fans want to see them on top. 100T works best with academy teams
Pumsyslayer [#20]Dude people started jumping the gun as soon as they got to know ec1s is the new player of 100t and saying he is a downgrade from steel or he is a downgrade from nitr0. We haven't even seen him play with the team yet people are quick to judge.
tbh from his track record he wasn't ever that special of a player. Even as an igl, people are expecting players at the level of nitro, Jamppi, shahzam, Vanity, redgar, boaster, stax, etc.
His run on NIP wasn't that special either. They beat low t2 teams in eu in Challengers 3, and Redbull Homeground. He was never anything spectacular, but was just around.
I hope he's improved since his nip days. We dont know how large his impact is given we dont know coms. all we know is, he hasn't igl'd a dominant team.
Edit* Meant to reply to thread, not you. The bit about nip was to the OP. my b
PrTsty [#21]they do, they are just not willing to invest that extra time, and honestly u cant blame them, they have a huge fanbase, only 4 esports (excluding fartnite) and fans want to see them on top. 100T works best with academy teams
"they are just not willing to invest that extra time"
that basically means they don't believe in homegrown quota which is fine for a competitive org.
Zaynio [#26]"they are just not willing to invest that extra time"
that basically means they don't believe in homegrown quota which is fine for a competitive org.
they do tho, but they dont wanna waste time, they wanna get to every single LAN event, fans have high expectations thats why
they dont wanna invest a year just to be a little bit better, they throw money at big players and scout young talent on their academy teams
LouBag [#25]Everyone with a brain questioned both pickups.
The real question is what is it about baby j that we donāt see that makes him undesirable to these teams.
Its because he wants to be on a winning roster. He chooses not to join tier 1.5 - 2 teams. He would rather w8 then join a tier team. He had said this multi times on stream.
Zaynio [#26]"they are just not willing to invest that extra time"
that basically means they don't believe in homegrown quota which is fine for a competitive org.
you do realize if a team somehow loses in open qualifiers they are out of any officiaal tournaaments for the next 6 months so you cant blame teams for not being ready for the risk. blame riot's formaat not the orgs, they are a business at the end of the day.
trash_star_999 [#30]you do realize if a team somehow loses in open qualifiers they are out of any officiaal tournaaments for the next 6 months so you cant blame teams for not being ready for the risk. blame riot's formaat not the orgs, they are a business at the end of the day.
Relax, its 3-3.5 months
PrTsty [#31]Relax, its 3-3.5 months
you stupid or what? 3-3.5 months is still a lot lmao stop sucking riots dick
trash_star_999 [#30]you do realize if a team somehow loses in open qualifiers they are out of any officiaal tournaaments for the next 6 months so you cant blame teams for not being ready for the risk. blame riot's formaat not the orgs, they are a business at the end of the day.
no I totally understand that. I was just refuting any idea that labels them as "growing" players. They want to win immediately, and nadeshot is willing to drop the money for that.
Raevus [#24]tbh from his track record he wasn't ever that special of a player. Even as an igl, people are expecting players at the level of nitro, Jamppi, shahzam, Vanity, redgar, boaster, stax, etc.
His run on NIP wasn't that special either. They beat low t2 teams in eu in Challengers 3, and Redbull Homeground. He was never anything spectacular, but was just around.I hope he's improved since his nip days. We dont know how large his impact is given we dont know coms. all we know is, he hasn't igl'd a dominant team.
Edit* Meant to reply to thread, not you. The bit about nip was to the OP. my b
All good brother.
I also do hope ec1s improved, i was just saying that we don't even know about the 5th player or any role switches happening in the team and the people are saying that 100t will not qualify or not do well and things like that, I just think people should atleast watch them play as a team first then judge.
GroyperGang [#33]you stupid or what? 3-3.5 months is still a lot lmao stop sucking riots dick
Did I ever say its good lol?
People shouldt lie just to make it dramatic
PrTsty [#37]Did I ever say its good lol?
People shouldt lie just to make it dramatic
either way youre the one lying. The NA open qualifiers start in January. If you miss this one the next one is in May which is 5 months away not 3
GroyperGang [#38]either way youre the one lying. The NA open qualifiers start in January. If you miss this one the next one is in May which is 5 months away not 3
What are you talking bro? Ok they paly in january until january 31st
Then
No februeary
No march
No april
Starts in may again. Thats 3 to 3.5 months depending on when it starts.
Please use brain instead of downvoting and calling me a lier
Raevus [#24]tbh from his track record he wasn't ever that special of a player. Even as an igl, people are expecting players at the level of nitro, Jamppi, shahzam, Vanity, redgar, boaster, stax, etc.
His run on NIP wasn't that special either. They beat low t2 teams in eu in Challengers 3, and Redbull Homeground. He was never anything spectacular, but was just around.I hope he's improved since his nip days. We dont know how large his impact is given we dont know coms. all we know is, he hasn't igl'd a dominant team.
Edit* Meant to reply to thread, not you. The bit about nip was to the OP. my b
I mean my point with the ec1s signing not being bad is because there aren't guys on the level of nitr0, ShahZaM, Redgar, etc. available and if 100T were going to go after one they would have to massively overpay a buyout since no one wants to let go of their top tier IGL unless it means they are going to make a huge profit on his buyout. Idk why the expectations were so high when, in reality, ec1s was probably the 2nd best option available behind zander. Even then, ec1s is much more experienced so it makes sense that 100T would go for ec1s over zander.
GroyperGang [#38]either way youre the one lying. The NA open qualifiers start in January. If you miss this one the next one is in May which is 5 months away not 3
Ok groyperš
Fat_Lard [#40]I mean my point with the ec1s signing not being bad is because there aren't guys on the level of nitr0, ShahZaM, Redgar, etc. available and if 100T were going to go after one they would have to massively overpay a buyout since no one wants to let go of their top tier IGL unless it means they are going to make a huge profit on his buyout. Idk why the expectations were so high when, in reality, ec1s was probably the 2nd best option available behind zander. Even then, ec1s is much more experienced so it makes sense that 100T would go for ec1s over zander.
Ec1s was far from a t1 igl in eu. The time he was on liquid, it was scream dropping 30 a match just to lost 11-13. You had an inconsistant soulcas, kryptix performing decently, etc.
Just find it odd that an org as large as 100t who want to win, would get an igl who wasn't anything special, just because they cant afford a better choice. It just tells me that they wont achieve anything more than what they did with steel
Like I want 100t to get back in their old form. Just can't see it happening with ec1s unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong, but my gut is telling me this was a panic pickup because they dont have time left.
*When I say afford, I mean in budget. Not saying 100t dont have money. Just they can't justify a large buyout much like Sen could.
Pumsyslayer [#36]All good brother.
I also do hope ec1s improved, i was just saying that we don't even know about the 5th player or any role switches happening in the team and the people are saying that 100t will not qualify or not do well and things like that, I just think people should atleast watch them play as a team first then judge.
I think even with a 5th, I can't see 100t going far with ec1s as igl, unless he's improved a lot. Like from previous teams, liquid at the time was scream dropping30+ to lose 11-13.
Nip was just a dysfunctional team full of inconsistencies, outside of Jady who went to Navi.
Unless they get some insane player, I can't see them qualifying for a masters with the current 4.
I hope they prove me wrong. I just think other teams in NA are better right now than they could be with Ec1s.
Especially with their competition being sen, c9, envy, rise, xset. Just think it's gonna be a rough ride for first challangers for 100t. Hope the surprise me and perform insanely well. Just my gut is telling me otherwise.
Raevus [#42]Ec1s was far from a t1 igl in eu. The time he was on liquid, it was scream dropping 30 a match just to lost 11-13. You had an inconsistant soulcas, kryptix performing decently, etc.
Just find it odd that an org as large as 100t who want to win, would get an igl who wasn't anything special, just because they cant afford a better choice. It just tells me that they wont achieve anything more than what they did with steel
Like I want 100t to get back in their old form. Just can't see it happening with ec1s unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong, but my gut is telling me this was a panic pickup because they dont have time left.
*When I say afford, I mean in budget. Not saying 100t dont have money. Just they can't justify a large buyout much like Sen could.
Again it's not that they aren't willing to spend money, it's just that there's no one to be bought out for a reasonable price(not overpriced). What top tier IGL was available to be bought? No one.
Fat_Lard [#44]Again it's not that they aren't willing to spend money, it's just that there's no one to be bought out for a reasonable price(not overpriced). What top tier IGL was available to be bought? No one.
Do you reckon picking up an igl from eu who wasn't good enough in t1 eu, was the right pick if they wanted to win?
If they looked outside of na/eu, you have asia, or even br. Both regions are known to having lowish buyouts as the scene isn't as invested as Na/EU is.
100t in the last few months lost steel - veteran igl, questionable mecahnics.
lost nitro - by far their best player next to asuna.
boi was a temp from what I believe. Can't remember if he was just a load or full time pickup.
So do you reckon ec1s who is an inexperienced igl in t1, would be able to fill the shoes of either of the three 100t lost.
An ideal situation is find an export in asia/latam/br, over NA/EU. The only people you'll find for a cheap price in either region, isn't a player that can get you to qualify for international lans.
I hope ec1s proves me wrong. He isn't a bad player. He's just not at the stage where he would win anything meaningful. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me he'll be dropped in 3 months and 100t will make numerous changes this year.
Raevus [#45]Do you reckon picking up an igl from eu who wasn't good enough in t1 eu, was the right pick if they wanted to win?
If they looked outside of na/eu, you have asia, or even br. Both regions are known to having lowish buyouts as the scene isn't as invested as Na/EU is.
100t in the last few months lost steel - veteran igl, questionable mecahnics.
lost nitro - by far their best player next to asuna.
boi was a temp from what I believe. Can't remember if he was just a load or full time pickup.So do you reckon ec1s who is an inexperienced igl in t1, would be able to fill the shoes of either of the three 100t lost.
An ideal situation is find an export in asia/latam/br, over NA/EU. The only people you'll find for a cheap price in either region, isn't a player that can get you to qualify for international lans.
I hope ec1s proves me wrong. He isn't a bad player. He's just not at the stage where he would win anything meaningful. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me he'll be dropped in 3 months and 100t will make numerous changes this year.
I mean they did trial him. They just didnt email a contract to him. So there is something they like in him.
Playeready [#46]I mean they did trial him. They just didnt email a contract to him. So there is something they like in him.
oh ofc. There's always something we dont know. From an outside view, it looks questionable. We dont know the impact he could have on the team. Hopefully he has a great impact on 100t, as it'll be great for a viewing experience.
Rossy when he last played against TSM with immortals rolled TSM 13-1. I noticed how Immortals played a lot better with Rossy also, they choked a game against C9, and after that everything went downhill as far as I remember but they were super solid with Rossy in my opinion. And a good thing about Rossy is that he can frag as an IGL, his mechanics are really good and he can frag like dephhh or vanity.
Raevus [#45]Do you reckon picking up an igl from eu who wasn't good enough in t1 eu, was the right pick if they wanted to win?
If they looked outside of na/eu, you have asia, or even br. Both regions are known to having lowish buyouts as the scene isn't as invested as Na/EU is.
100t in the last few months lost steel - veteran igl, questionable mecahnics.
lost nitro - by far their best player next to asuna.
boi was a temp from what I believe. Can't remember if he was just a load or full time pickup.So do you reckon ec1s who is an inexperienced igl in t1, would be able to fill the shoes of either of the three 100t lost.
An ideal situation is find an export in asia/latam/br, over NA/EU. The only people you'll find for a cheap price in either region, isn't a player that can get you to qualify for international lans.
I hope ec1s proves me wrong. He isn't a bad player. He's just not at the stage where he would win anything meaningful. I could be wrong, but my gut tells me he'll be dropped in 3 months and 100t will make numerous changes this year.
First off he has the most t1 IGL experience of everyone available and what IGL would they even get from SAM/APAC? The only real notable IGL from either region is stax and I doubt he would leave VS and come to NA. You act as if all these players can and are willing to leave their own region to come to NA and outside of the guys who have played on LAN, ec1s is 10x more experienced. Idk why so many people don't like the pickup and think that 100T could've done better but don't give any examples as to who they could've signed. South America isn't exactly known for having great IGLs and IGLing in a whole different language is extremely difficult and hurts teams more than it helps them in most cases. Again, unless you can give me some realistic options that would be better than ec1s, I can't see how this is a bad move from 100T.
juno_VLR [#35]iād rather give Rossy and other unknowns a chance to prove themselves rather than signing IGLās like Steel/Hazed/ec1s who are clearly never going to cut it (no disrespect intended but weāve seen their peaks). rossy could still be shit idk but i like the āprove itā signing.
To say anyone has peaked this early in the gameās competitive live is a little dumb
Thomaslee [#3]Tsm just drops bang after a p good runš
to be fair itās pretty hard to whiff an entire vandal mag on a guy standing still but i agree he shouldāve been given some more time
Fat_Lard [#50]First off he has the most t1 IGL experience of everyone available and what IGL would they even get from SAM/APAC? The only real notable IGL from either region is stax and I doubt he would leave VS and come to NA. You act as if all these players can and are willing to leave their own region to come to NA and outside of the guys who have played on LAN, ec1s is 10x more experienced. Idk why so many people don't like the pickup and think that 100T could've done better but don't give any examples as to who they could've signed. South America isn't exactly known for having great IGLs and IGLing in a whole different language is extremely difficult and hurts teams more than it helps them in most cases. Again, unless you can give me some realistic options that would be better than ec1s, I can't see how this is a bad move from 100T.
Ec1s can have the most experience achiveving nothign except having scream drop 30-40 and still lose. Experience losing is still experience losing.
His only t1 expeience was also with liquid, nearly a year ago. Since he left liquid, he never got back into t1. NIP was the closest, and they were by far no where near t1 anymore.
A prime example of a player who was just put on the bench, Iyen.
In EU, I'd take Ozzy over ec1s.
I'm not saying ec1s is the worst pickup. It's just picking up a player because you cant afford the best, isn't what will make 100t win events.
*when I say afford, I'm talking about in their budget
You mention South America isn't known for having good igls, GB isn't known for having good players. We have 1/50 pro players who are good at their game. CS we have smooya, and that's mostly it. Mezzi is getting there. In siege we have ctzn, who is the only world class talent we have.
EU as a region has world class talent, GB as a place, doesn't really have a lot going for them given their history in esports.
Also with players willing to leave their team. What difference would it make from another player in SA/apac leaving, paying the buyout. Than what 100t would have done in NA? Taking a free agent because you can't poach, it's just them putting tape over a hold in a sinking ship.
If they're settling for players they're unsure of because they can't get who they ideally want, they wont really win. The same shit happened with G2 in siege. they had to settle for players who wernt their first option, and their dynasty crumbled.
I'm not saying ec1s is the worst pickup. It's just he's nothing fantastic, and I can't see 100t winning against other top teams. It's just going to be Ethan, and Asuna trying their hardest, unless they can get an insane 5th.
The one good thing I'll say about ec1s, is he has better mechanics than steel, but that's about it.
Deadpanmitten94 [#51]To say anyone has peaked this early in the gameās competitive live is a little dumb
if steel didn't play CSGO and wasn't old af then i wouldn't write him off so early in VAL. i wouldn't write off younger players like rossy or bang yet, for example.
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