No tejo nerf before Toronto = G🤡2 wins Toronto
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Anyone interested in a conversation about Tejo? I'm going to start making threads on VLR that just say...
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Functional fixedness is a cognitive bias that makes it difficult to see alternative uses for objects beyond their intended purpose. It's a form of mental block that limits creative problem-solving by restricting individuals from thinking about objects in novel ways. This bias can hinder innovation and impede our ability to find unconventional solutions to problems.
Tejo is a reaction to post-plant meta from Riot. The drone suppresses because you're supposed to use it to stop people from doing post plants line-ups. The Salvos very much a similar vein for places like Sunset main where people would go and hide.
Nah instead people are complaining that teams are blind Salvoing and you're too stupid to not stand on islands and complain about hurricanes.
Was Tejo dumb? yes. Is his kit overpowered? absolutely not.
VLR user "m4" when actually adding a relevant addition when asked but now disregarded because he committed an Ad hominem fallacy. Your one sentence sentiments such as "to not stand on islands and complain about hurricanes." Don't further help your points.
What you listed is a denial of riots actual intention, they wanted to add an initiator that lowers the skill gap with current initiators and create more forward play. I don't believe his kit is overpowered, I just dislike his point and click defuse delay, there's no line-up, you don't have to plant for a delay ability you simply point and click. I can see his drone being made for that purpose on CT side but there's no excuse for his salvos.
I'm confused by your response. You called it Ad hominem but then agreed with me.
And you just said "they wanted to add an initiator that lowers the skill gap with current initiators and create more forward play." I'm missing the reasons from this. I provided reasons, you just said agent, lowers skill gap and..................
The Ad hominem was "you're too stupid to not stand on islands and complain about hurricanes." After I mentioned it I moved on to discuss the actual topic, The reasoning is tejo, unlike other agents (e.g., brimstone, breach, kayo, sova) the plant doesn't matter when delaying, defuse lineups are irrelevant, you can simply click to delay defuse or win the round. The reason I did not give a specific comparison is because I thought it was agreed upon that tejo is at a lower skill ceiling than other initiators.
Your logic doesn't really follow, tejo was meant to be a response to the post-plant meta by having arguably the best post-plant delay ability? I'm not going to say my logic is more sound for why riot added tejo, I don't think speculation and presumption will get this anywhere, I don't agree with your framework on why tejo was added but I can disagree respectfully.
Also, the issue isn't functional fixedness. You're applying your own reasoning to something and assuming no one else is even thinking binary. I'm not claiming salvos aren't useful in any other capacity than post-plant, I'm not claiming riot created salvos for post-plant solely. But, implying functional fixedness implies riots intention was for tejo to be a post-plant delay agent and that would counter-act your reasoning that tejo was a response to the post-plant meta by being a counter to the post-plant meta.
You're trolling. This isn't ad hominem, this is an insult, your reading comprehension is really poor.
This is just a lot of useless sentences. You're arguing stuff you don't know about and once again attacking my arguments with no evidence or even counterpoints that make sense. You're just being contrarian.
"Your logic doesn't really follow, tejo was meant to be a response to the post-plant meta by having arguably the best post-plant delay ability?"
- You didn't actually read what I wrote above. You only picked the part you wanted to argue against. Strawman.
- " The drone suppresses because you're supposed to use it to stop people from doing post plants line-ups. The Salvos very much a similar vein for places like Sunset main where people would go and hide."
https://youtu.be/UY86fE68WHk?t=42
What is the ability through line in your eyes for Tejo? How does Tejo change the game? Why do you think that they gave Tejo a longer drone with a suppression? Why do you think that Tejo has spot specific utility and an ultimate that covers a distance that is roughly the same with typical lineup spots?
Must be coincidence... no way we could ever speculate... we just can't see the true genius behind Riot's decisions... come on bro... dont pretend to be smart and then stop there...
"Also, the issue isn't functional fixedness. You're applying your own reasoning to something and assuming no one else is even thinking binary."
- No offense but this sentence doesn't make sense. I have eyes. I watch VCT. I see the binary usage. You cannot tell me that VCT pro players do not use drone as a Sova drone. You're once again just being contrarian.
" I'm not going to say my logic is more sound for why riot added tejo, I don't think speculation and presumption will get this anywhere, I don't agree with your framework on why tejo was added but I can disagree respectfully."
- Come on... Once again, it's an ipad... its a drone with supression... at some point I have the intellect to extrapolate meaning. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's not possible.
(i) It is an Ad hominem; you're attacking my intellect and character(e.g., your reading comprehension is really poor. , you're too stupid not to stand on islands and complain about hurricanes) rather than discussing the topic and discussing my position you made antagonistic claims about my intellect. Ad hominem fallacies and insults are almost synonymous in sanctioned debates, can you not make that distinction?
(ii) "You didn't read what I wrote above. You only picked the part you wanted to argue against. Strawman."
I did not commit a strawman fallacy, I questioned your logic by asking how effective is that response if he adds to the problem, I'm assuming you saw the rebuttal as nothing else but evading the question but the nuance is right there, once again applying your reasoning to something and that reasoning is the only truth in your eyes.
(iii) "Must be coincidence... no way we could ever speculate... we just can't see the true genius behind Riot's decisions... come on bro... don't pretend to be smart and then stop there..."
I don't need to point out the obvious issue with this, I could go multiple routes, and explain how you're a pseud for the constant need to insult intelligence but I think it's more centered in your sense of grandiosity, you are consistently attacking intellect, one might wonder if your sense of intellect is secure.
(iii continued) The comment itself is incredibly vague, it's confusing what you want my rebuttal to be. I never claimed that another motive and creation for Tejos kit was "genius" or complex. Again my issue is that when you dish out regurgitated and or snarky one-sentence sentiments they are often vague. I'll speak about the video you linked, it did not offer much insight into my current framework, sorry. And I don't see how it works towards yours either, I think you believe I believe that riot is mindless in its creation of agents, I don't believe that.
(iv) " No offense but this sentence doesn't make sense. I have eyes. I watch VCT. I see the binary usage. You cannot tell me that VCT pro players do not use drone as a Sova drone. You're once again just being contrarian."
I don't see how my sentence lacked "sense", functional fixedness implies there's one intended use for something, you said my issue and others alike is that our framework is hindered by functional fixedness when that's not the case, people are capable of being critical of a certain usage of something without denying another usage. I don't see how "contrarian" fits in there, I mean it might have worked in another response but the sentence was me offering a rebuttal to the functional fixedness mindset claim.
(v) "Come on... Once again, it's an ipad... its a drone with suppression... at some point I have the intellect to extrapolate meaning. Just because you can't doesn't mean it's not possible"
I never claimed simplicity was the issue, ease and simplicity can be synonymous at times, just not here. I'm not claiming that you can't deduct meaning where is meaning is to be found. The biggest issue with debating you is that you are nearly unserious with one rebuttal, another grandiose and hurling insults, and another where you offer a good debate format. What you just read wasn't an insult, it's meant as advice.
I don't know why were using roman numerals...
- I was helping by making the distinction for you so you wouldn't make the mistake that you did. " you irrelevantly attack the person" Reading comprehension is certainly relevant but hey... maybe this is a conversation with chatgpt since were getting weird mixing of roman numerals and lists.
- Focusing on the tejo missiles
(this should be a letter not a bullet point if were using roman numerals) https://www.txst.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/straw-person.html - Your inability to decipher things is not my problem. You can call anything anyone writes vague. The normal human response is to pose a question. Not criticize. Once again these argument are so hollow and so shallow. I barely need to dip my foot in to completely obliterate them.
- You go to great lengths to write these pseudo-intellectual contrarians responses and some how miss the most basic things. Functional fixedness is an implied use. For example, Cypher trips being the initial drip in our waterfall has led the entire community to believe that every sentinel must have similar abilities that mirror trips. I know you gotta go an extra step here... but you thinking that tejo missiles are used for delay comes from the drip of post-plant lineups. You say it in your argument. When you attack me when you do not have a proficient understanding in the subject you are debating, it looks contrarian as your concepts and principles that you are arguing for are incorrect. It makes it difficult for me to believe you actually take these positions, hence the trolling comment.
I'm sorry that you think debating your way through this is producing something positive but we do not have the same level of understanding. And you are questioning me from a place of hollow authority. My steam account is probably older than you and I'm sorry that you haven't experienced that experience is the true guide of knowledge. You probably get offended by this comment but you'll understand someday or maybe not.
https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/game-updates/tejo-man-of-action/
Unfortunately I do not see "they wanted to add an initiator that lowers the skill gap with current initiators and create more forward play" in this document.
"“Drones typically give a lot of baseline value of information gathering, but we wanted to give this drone a little spin where the information is secondary, and the effect of suppressing an enemy is why you take this drone over others,” Cousart noted."
"Tejo’s abilities, which revolve around flushing out enemies, consist of 3 outputs: information gathering, damage, and concuss effects. “There’s a lot to consider and be careful about when deciding the output of an ability. Damage as an output is a lot more permanent than a concuss or a flash. It’s worthwhile to explore though and I think we’ve landed in a pretty good spot but that’s one we’ll need to keep a really sharp eye,” stated Ryan “Rycou” Cousart."
... people just say whatever they want these days. No one spot checks their bullshit.
I guess I see where the issue is, your framework is based on what Riot has claimed which it seems you acknowledged I knew this "Must be coincidence... no way we could ever speculate... we just can't see the true genius behind Riot's decisions," The previous quote which I believe is a mockery of me (which I don't know because everything you say is vague) implies I knew one stated reason but looked to another but then you claimed I wasn't spot-checking my "bullshit" if you want to use objective parameters that on me. I made a mistake assuming the discussion was more intellectual than objective. Honestly, I just don't care about this that much, you lowkey seem miserable and insecure in your intellect, yeah, Ad hominem from, but I'm just not going to reply anymore LOL it's so boring interacting with people like you.
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