Im almost certain that 2024 champs zmjkk is the highest form we've ever seen a player be at. Maybe 2022 champs Aspas or 2024 Shanghai texture come close?
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ala [#4]ngl shanghai woot was him
i was just about to say that. he is the only player i can think of that dominated for most of a tournament after 2022 (because the quality of gameplay jumped a lot later into the game)
unknown_trash [#5]i was just about to say that. he is the only player i can think of that dominated for most of a tournament after 2022 (because the quality of gameplay jumped a lot later into the game)
woot had a fall off during the grand finals though, going -18 in the GF. zmjjkk played well in every match even in their loss against G2
Denjisideals [#2]2022 Champs was Aspas their best player? Iirc, Pancada, Less, Sacy were better than him on that tournament
If you consider all tournaments, irrespective of the era, it's Tenz 2021 and it's not even close
However if you consider the opponents, we could debate names like KangKang, W00t, Aspas etc etc
stats wise yes, but aspas impact if you actually watched the games was insane
glittering_yard [#7]stats wise yes, but aspas impact if you actually watched the games was insane
Aspas is always good impact wise as much as the trend is to call him a fraud just for existing
lorenzopajaroFC [#9]Always wondered where all this 2022 champs aspas delusion comes from, he wasn’t even top 3 in his own team
yeah idk how hes considered mvp on liquipedia
pancada and sacy were great and less was good too
Ryandr [#3]For whole event or for a series? For the whole event it's probably tenz in 2021 Reykjavik
wilt chamberlain 100 point ah performance actual plumber league
lewwY [#14]wilt chamberlain 100 point ah performance actual plumber league
ok look at yay, alfajer, leo, demon1 at their internationals. they look life fucking Lebron compared to kangkang.
unknown_trash [#5]i was just about to say that. he is the only player i can think of that dominated for most of a tournament after 2022 (because the quality of gameplay jumped a lot later into the game)
demon1, alfjer, leo
if we are counting no matter what era then for sure its tenz 2021, but tbf that was plumber era val so if we dont count that then its champs 22 yay
that man took an fns, an off form marved, victor and crashies playing mid and solo carried the entire team to a gf, probably should have won bind if not for the aspas 1v4 or ascent if not for the crashies classic and should have been a 2-2 in the grand final
kfan4238173 [#13]yeah idk how hes considered mvp on liquipedia
pancada and sacy were great and less was good too
he's considered the MVP because the analysts and people who watched the tournament back then voted for him as the MVP, so officially the MVP for Riot was Aspas. The pANcada MVP was a spike.gg award that picked highest rated player from the team that won, but its not official
Honestly, champs 2022 yay gets so overlooked because he lost the finals but to me that’s easily the best form at an international
Single match? Kk 2024 finals, followed by 2023 champs lower finals demon1
Reykjavik tenz was easily the best of all time when you compare it to the competition, but said competition was really bad and we’re talking about personal level
For me it goes
2022 champs yay, Shangai meteor (>>>texture), lock in leo, tokyo alfajer
c4rrotstix [#17]if we are counting no matter what era then for sure its tenz 2021, but tbf that was plumber era val so if we dont count that then its champs 22 yay
that man took an fns, an off form marved, victor and crashies playing mid and solo carried the entire team to a gf, probably should have won bind if not for the aspas 1v4 or ascent if not for the crashies classic and should have been a 2-2 in the grand final
nah demon1 is the best version we saw of a player in history. even though he is ass now
Denjisideals [#12]Aspas is always good impact wise as much as the trend is to call him a fraud just for existing
Derke more impact as real entry
lorenzopajaroFC [#19]Honestly, champs 2022 yay gets so overlooked because he lost the finals but to me that’s easily the best form at an international
Single match? Kk 2024 finals, followed by 2023 champs lower finals demon1
Reykjavik tenz was easily the best of all time when you compare it to the competition, but said competition was really bad and we’re talking about personal level
For me it goes
2022 champs yay, Shangai meteor (>>>texture), lock in leo, tokyo alfajer
in my opinion it matters to me a lot the importance of showing up when its desperately the most important. after doing more research its between champs zmjjkk, 2022 champs yay, Shanghai meteor, and lock in Leo.
the amount of first kills KK had was just absurd and I think in an era and year defined by general team strength rather than star player performances it was extra impressive that he was able to excel so much when it mattered the most. Stats are very important I agree, but the context behind his rating and his first contacts is absurd. To keep a high rating and KD while also keeping his first contacts double digits is insanity really.
lewwY [#23]in my opinion it matters to me a lot the importance of showing up when its desperately the most important. after doing more research its between champs zmjjkk, 2022 champs yay, Shanghai meteor, and lock in Leo.
the amount of first kills KK had was just absurd and I think in an era and year defined by general team strength rather than star player performances it was extra impressive that he was able to excel so much when it mattered the most. Stats are very important I agree, but the context behind his rating and his first contacts is absurd. To keep a high rating and KD while also keeping his first contacts double digits is insanity really.
w take, people don't get how difficult going +30 in a GF is when you took 52 FIRST FIGHTS. The fact he won half of those is just ridiculous too, we've never seen an entry player perform at that high of a level before.
Yistyy [#24]I like KK, but seriously? that is probably not even be in the top 10 of best international performances. hell, his tokyo form might have even been better than his 2024 champs form.
this is the most insane take of this thread. Brodie he had a 6 game spree of dropping +10 first kills, have more than 15 first kills of the 2nd most FK (miniboo) without going to lowers, and dropped the most amount of kills at the biggest event In the games history when it mattered most. Are we geeked???
Denjisideals [#2]2022 Champs was Aspas their best player? Iirc, Pancada, Less, Sacy were better than him on that tournament
If you consider all tournaments, irrespective of the era, it's Tenz 2021 and it's not even close
However if you consider the opponents, we could debate names like KangKang, W00t, Aspas etc etc
pancada and less were the ones actually fragging aspas was playing much more sacrificial than he does today
lewwY [#23]in my opinion it matters to me a lot the importance of showing up when its desperately the most important. after doing more research its between champs zmjjkk, 2022 champs yay, Shanghai meteor, and lock in Leo.
the amount of first kills KK had was just absurd and I think in an era and year defined by general team strength rather than star player performances it was extra impressive that he was able to excel so much when it mattered the most. Stats are very important I agree, but the context behind his rating and his first contacts is absurd. To keep a high rating and KD while also keeping his first contacts double digits is insanity really.
Can be, kk is prob the best space creator itw so yeah his form is defined by a lot more than just kills
I’ll admit i only watched some 3 edg matches in champs and in all i thought him otherwordly, so you might be right
pitchfork [#10]bruh? it's Reykjavik 2021 tenz and it's not even close
dude that was 2021 lmao any pro from 2021 would get destroyed now
lewwY [#26]this is the most insane take of this thread. Brodie he had a 6 game spree of dropping +10 first kills, have more than 15 first kills of the 2nd most FK (miniboo) without going to lowers, and dropped the most amount of kills at the biggest event In the games history when it mattered most. Are we geeked???
His grand finals performance was absolutely dominant, and huge props for showing up when it mattered most. But outside of the grand finals he had a great tournament performance, and I feel like there are other players with more elite performances throughout an entire tournament.
kfan4238173 [#11]def not kangkang
only if ur talking about the final
how is it not kangkang who was better than grand final kangkang
Yistyy [#30]His grand finals performance was absolutely dominant, and huge props for showing up when it mattered most. But outside of the grand finals he had a great tournament performance, and I feel like there are other players with more elite performances throughout an entire tournament.
saying not even top 10 is insanity, like genuinely some looney tunes shit
Taruuu1 [#29]dude that was 2021 lmao any pro from 2021 would get destroyed now
DERKE top 1 duelist in 2021 still top 1 in 2025
lewwY [#33]saying not even top 10 is insanity, like genuinely some looney tunes shit
its not top 10
his finals performance is the bets game ever but he wasnt even the best player on edg for a lot of champs
thenutoriousPRO [#36]its not top 10
his finals performance is the bets game ever but he wasnt even the best player on edg for a lot of champs
he averaged 10+ first kills for 6 matches in a row, while top fragging, while having a higher rating than all of his team mates. him not being the best player on EDG for champs is heinous work and what matters more than literally showing up when its all on the line I don't get this point at all. I can't even think of 10 performances that would be above zmjjkk
lewwY [#39]he averaged 10+ first kills for 6 matches in a row, while top fragging, while having a higher rating than all of his team mates. him not being the best player on EDG for champs is heinous work and what matters more than literally showing up when its all on the line I don't get this point at all. I can't even think of 10 performances that would be above zmjjkk
2021 rey tenz
2021 berlin cned
2022 rey yay
2022 champs yay
2022 champs aspas
2023 lock in leo
2023 tokyo kangkang
2023 tokyo demon1
2023 champs demon1
2024 shanghai woot
idk might be forgetting some
thenutoriousPRO [#40]2021 rey tenz
2021 berlin cned
2022 rey yay
2022 champs yay
2022 champs aspas
2023 lock in leo
2023 tokyo kangkang
2023 tokyo demon1
2023 champs demon1
2024 shanghai woot
idk might be forgetting some
2021 berlin yay
2022 rey mako
2022 champs mako
2023 lockin mako
2023 tokyo alfajer
jawn [#41]2021 berlin yay
2022 rey mako
2022 champs mako
2023 lockin mako
2023 tokyo alfajer
#1 mako fan
yea i def forgot alfa
Taruuu1 [#32]how is it not kangkang who was better than grand final kangkang
smoggy and CHICHOO had way more impact during champs 2024 than kangkang. if not for them they wouldnt be even top 3
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