Is Jawgemo the most overrated player?

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alienista1

He had a good Off Season, and automatically became the best duelist? What’s the logic in that? He wasn’t even the best player on EG in 2024, let alone a top 3 duelist in the Americas.

Keznit is in better form than him
Zekken is in better form than him

Yet, for some reason, I’m being downvoted when I say Zekken/Keznit > Jawgemo. Where did this idea that he’s the best entry in the world even come from? So delusional.

Note: I’m not a Jawgemo hater. I think he’s a great duelist, but in my view, he’s never proven to be a top 3 duelist in the Americas.

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No

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no one said he was the best duelist, tho ranking him not being top 3 is definitely something that can get to others, including me prolly

but it is what it is, just other peoples opinions

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alienista1

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Many people said this. I saw a video on YouTube where half the comments were saying Jawgemo > Aspas.

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jawgemo is better at raze jett neon but aspas is the better player

does this compute? because its the objective truth, i think its pretty inarguable

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saakkai

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aspas had higher stats in all these agents this year, and even if you look only at FKPR, Jawgemo never had a higher FKPR than Aspas in any tournaments they played together in Americas 2024, even tho Aspas played way more rounds

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i dont understand the point in comparing their stats when aspas would have better stats regardless of how good they are on the agent

its completely tone deaf and just ignores what i said in my post

aspas has a higher fkpr yes, aspas also has a better team and is more likely to get into FK situations and win them because of it, aspas is also still the better player so he will likely convert duels more, aspas having higher stats in those agents does not translate into better utility usage either lol. ill explain below why getting kills isnt the most important part of being the better duelist for the team

also the whole FK being the end all be all for duelists is kinda weird, aspas is far more likely to ego peek mid, he can win that but its not an "entry"

to add to that, getting a first kill also doesnt mean you arent traded, and lets just say jawgemo creates more space than aspas, gets his team in a better position, doesnt get a kill but DOES get traded. Is that worse than aspas who will generally not create as much space, get the first kill because of superior mechanics but then get traded afterwards?

all this to say the stats are misleading and dont tell the whole story, you have to understand a players role on a team and how they're being used, the utility that doesnt show up in rating or fkpr

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"aspas is far more likely to ego peek mid, he can win that but its not an "entry"

What?? If any player is not doing that is aspas, especially when compared to jawgemo

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aspas is definitely more likely to play away from the pack w

even if its his coaches asking for it, if you watch loud ascent its kinda the way loud were able to beat fnatic

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thats such a braindead take, aspas needs more resources and his team sets him up more
jawgemo needs lesser resources and is less of a stat padder
jawgemo > aspas dive duelist
aspas> jawgemo as a player

still doesnt change the fact that aspas is a better player tho

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destroylonely

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jett is a stretch but any other duelist he clears aspas

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catNmouse

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i mean you have people who thinks aspas is a baiter or stats player 🗿

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he takes space more efficiently than most other duelists do, he’s also very explosive and gets value more often than not out of it

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glittering_yard

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how does he take more space than most other duelists, what does he do that makes him so different than the others?

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catNmouse

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like i said he’s super explosive and also his movement is great, watch his games on neon and raze (and iso) last year.

i think he’s a teensy bit overrated coming off of a bad year, it’s true that keznit and zekken had a better year than him however he is so much better than what he showed in 2024, it’s kind of the same situation with yay except he isn’t being overrated

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He has good movement but i think he went from being way too underated(Demon1 got all the credits for 2023) to a little bit overated after he started doing some cool highlights in EG this year. His numbers as duelist were not impressive at all but people act like he was the supreme entry duelist in 2024, and i think its kinda silly to put all the blame on his teammates

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catNmouse

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you basically said everything i had in mind, he’s obviously a great duelist but he will have to prove it again this year especially after coming off of a bad year

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Almighty

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How do you know? There’s no record of him taking space at international events last year.

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ill explain it like this

take away kills and jawgemo is probably the best duelist itw just off of creating space, retaking, pathing, flexing all duelists (with zekken and derke)

hes not overrated but players arent one dimensional, is jawgemo a streaky aimer? yeah probably but hes also elite at everything else

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dude haven't reached even a regional playoff playing as a full time duelist and somehow is the best duelist in the world

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gamergirl

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https://www.vlr.gg/248283/evil-geniuses-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lbf/?game=137660&tab=overview

HURRR DURRR

he has bad games vs aspas too but like ur mentally impaired in the narrate way if you think jawgemo doesnt have a case to have the best utility usage on duelist itw

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foythvlr

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he doesn't simply because he haven't played in the international stage for over a year. he can't be the best in the world playing only regionally lol that contradicts itself. its a whole other level

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gamergirl

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just sent u a 2.0 rating map against the best player itw on the other side at champs and hes not top 3 apparently

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foythvlr

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read what i said again

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foythvlr

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btw im not saying jawgemo is bad by any means, he's a great duelist

im saying he had a case in 2023 and he doesn't have now simply because he's not being tested currently on international level, therefore he can't be on this tier

he probably will be with G2 but thats only hypothetical for now

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Sugma

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he also had apoth dragging his team down

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foythvlr

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not the point

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cameran

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placements doesnt equivalate to skill unfortunately

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foythvlr

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it does when we're talking about game level. no one who only plays regionally can be the best in the world

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cameran

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obviously not the best in the world, but regionally he can be considered top 3 fs

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foythvlr

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post said specifically best itw, regionally he should be in discussion

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cameran

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ah kk then, fair then

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valkin

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jawgemo champs 2023 form> keznits entire career

but yea he is kinda overrated, still my goat

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gamergirl

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the NRG flair has hurt itself in its confusion!

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alienista1

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Following your logic, S1mon >>> Riens

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valkin

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anyone who says jawgemo is the best duelist is a idiot, but he has his own stand out traits that other duelists cant replicate 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

keznit has always just been an above average duelist, a stepping stone to the top, meanwhile jawgemo actually reached the top

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Rita-nae

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S1mon >Riens
Aspas>jaw

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destroylonely

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he's literally the most well rounded duelist itw

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nobody___100

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someone had to say it and it wasn’t gonna be me

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I mean last year even on that EG roster that was kind of bad he still was usually the top fragger, and was even the top fragger in the whole lobby on occasion.

But I do think its a bit much to call him the best duelist off of just top fragging on that EG team, especially with how poor performing that EG team was.

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alienista1

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The best fragger overall was Derrek, not Jawgemo.

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askrial

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technically if you're talking pure kills, jawg did have more. derrek might have a higher vlr rating, but jawg did have like 30 more kills (im being a nerd i know, sue me)

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alienista1

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I don't think this is a fair way to measure performance. Duelists will always have an advantage in the number of kills.

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askrial

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not necessarily but i get what you mean. however, you did say "fragging" and not rating.

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alienista1

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Okay, my bad.

#44

GodAwfulGod

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Except for a duelist it is a good way to measure performance because it is their job to make space, get kills, and top frag.

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alienista1

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But in this case, we should compare him to another duelist, not to his own teammates.

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GodAwfulGod

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Okay after going through every America's teams games from 2024(I took overall series over each individual game, unless they played an agent that wasn't a duelist and then I went to individual games to see if they top fragged and I also didn't count ties for most kills) and seeing which duelist had the most most kills here are my results:

Players who played the same amount of games as EG:
C9 Oxy - Had 12 top frags
Fur mwzers - 6 top frags
Mibr Artzin - 3 top frags(But did have a lot of ties for most kills)

Other players:
Aspas - 17 top frags
Keznit - 14 top frags
Asuna/Cryo(They both played duelist for 100T but also played other agents but thought I should put them on here anyways)
Asuna - 3 top frags
Cryo - 10 top frags
Quick (until benched) - 4 top frags
Demon1(until benched) - 2
Icy - 3 (Crazy that he played 35 games with g2 and only top fragged 3 times, although I think he tied like 3 or 4 times)
Zekken - 18

And after doing all of that I change my opinion to Jawg might be overrated, but I do still think he is a huge upgrade to icy.

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alienista1

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I'm glad you changed your mind after analyzing the facts. Surprisingly, that's a rare quality on the internet.

Anyway, your opinion is basically the same as mine now, nothing to disagree with.

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GodAwfulGod

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If were talking about pure fragging then Jawgemo had 6 top frags while Derrek had 5, and they tied in one game. Yes Derrek was rated higher but Jawg had more kills

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askrial

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personally i think keznit and jawg are both really good and are at about the same level. however even though i am biased, zekken is still better than jawg lmao.

he's good, but not that good (yet).

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1243

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how you been
good to see a fair g2 fan

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askrial

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thanks dude! (im not kyro1 lmao)

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I think he has high peaks (like the game against NRG where he just shit on everyone for match point), but he's occasionally inconsistent. If you look at the games where he's locked, he's dropping like insane kd. However, in the games where he struggled and seemed inconsistent, his team was doing bad overall, so I think people rate him highly because they think that G2 is a better system, and if he proved that he has the capability to shit on high level teams with inconsistent help, he probably has the capability to become even better with more help.

Also, EG 2023 was sort of built around helping Demon1 get into good positions, so jawg was often sacrificing himself and doing whatever it took to give D1 the win con. EG 2024 is completely different with jawg being the main guy, so he definitely saw an uptick in absurdly good games. Therefore, if he is the main guy on an actually good team, there is a high probability that he will hit those absurdly good games consistently.

But that's just my take on why people think he's a top 3 duelist in Americas. Personally, I'm kind of on the fence about this, so take my words with a grain of salt.

tldr; He has high peaks, performed well even though he was not the center of the team, performed even better when he was, and only did not perform when the rest of his team did not.

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because he's a selfless duelist who's flexible, likeable and has super flashy clips. Also people know his ceiling is trophy caliber, unlike a keznit. He gets glazed a bit too hard at times sure but I don't see how his year was too different from someone like less or cauanzin for example, both of them had mediocre stats on a team that didn't do anything of note (loud making madrid and farming china doesn't mean much to me) but are still widely considered top tier players

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No fucking shot

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"He had a good Off Season" is a wild thing to say about a world champs winner

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Another bronzillian, another braindead take

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Ultime

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He's certainly overrated and I think people are often too fixated on the fact he won champs, however, at the end of the day he is still a good player. I would say oxy, keznit, and zekken are better

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alienista1

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I also thought about mentioning Oxy. He definitely had higher peaks than Jawgemo last year.

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Ultime

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I mainly put him there cause I think this year will be great for him. His aim is IMO top 3 itw and it was a lot of overheating last yr

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1243

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he's top 4 maybe tied with keznit in americas

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if he wasn't the best player on EG why was he the only one that got an offer besides EG?

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LowGun

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Keznit better than jaw? LOL
Dawgemo>

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amer ranking is
1.aspas

oxy(inconsistent but insane) and mwzera(no cap he is insane just need a good team he has amazing potential as a duelist)
3.zekken(if he frags for first 3 rounds then sen are winning easily otherwise he will bottom/mid frag . Inconsistent but is insane when he wakes up)
4.jaw/demon1 (with potter they can do insane )
rest below

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mwzera isn’t even furia’s duelist player

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season is not even started , ik hovac is duelist but in 2024 he had a great showing and its not even a year of him getting swaped to another role

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No.pr0m00, fl0r, and k0ngk0ng are way more overrated.

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jawgemo is more overrated than kangkang

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he's actually underrated

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He’s definitely not underrated

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he has 1 good clip lmao

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100% overrated

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Jawgemo wasn't that strong as a solo duelist in EG before Demon1 came around. We'll see how he does with G2 though. Great player but diff comps and new meta for 2025 so can't wait.

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Jawgemo has the best Raze in the world period. His jett isnt on that level but its still top tier. His neon is top 3 itw, and he can litterally play any agent at the highest level (he won champs flexing to smokes)

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This argument comes from insiders in the scene that have said jawg is the hardest working entry although he may not be the most talented overall which is just my own take there