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Mid-Piece Debate - 1243 come

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DSGFan

Mods, kindly don't delete this. I'm bringing this to its own thread because it would be stupid for an anime debate to continue inside of a Pacific pickems thread.

There is a subsection of the One-Piece fandom who are some of the most toxic members of the anime community. They barge into almost any anime discussion to talk about how One-Piece is the best anime, how one-piece is better than your favorite anime, how one-piece is "objectively" the best anime. "You can't love something like we do" "If you think one-piece is mostly filler and a cash-grab, you should k*ll yourself". People are allowed to like other things than you. You're going to get told that people don't like One-piece. You barge into other people's conversations, you tell them their anime is shit, you're going to get told that people don't like One-piece. People are allowed to like other things than you.

1243 is a member of this subsection of the One-piece fandom, who really embody the behavior described by the term "stan." And yes, 1243 told me to k*ll myself because I said to him that One-Piece is mostly filler (see below).

This is a link to the original thread for context. If you want to comment on this argument, do so in this thread so that it doesn't randomly blow up an unrelated pacific pickems thread.

I know making this thread is incredibly cringe, but I guess I'm doing it because 1. I have the time because I'm on winter break & 2. Telling someone to kill themselves over an argument about anime is ridiculous. So, if you hate seeing this thread, I'm really sorry. I guess I also needed to write this to clear my head because I wasn't expecting that in a response, and there was a period 5 years ago in my life where I was suicidal, so I sort of care about the topic. Truly 1st world problems I guess.

My response to 1243's last reply is below, because of the character limit (lmao, I yapped way too much, but it is what it is)

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DSGFan
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As a piece of advice 1243, using name-calling, slurs, and ad-hominems in general doesn't add any strength to your argument, it only makes you appear to be childish and lacking in maturity. If you have valid points, using ad-hominems greatly dimishes the chances that your interlocutor will even consider them, because us humans in general are weak-minded in that way.

In your entire response to me, you repeatedly twist the meaning of my words and attribute opinions to me that I never said and actually am strongly against.

one piece resonates with millions because of its storytelling, world-building, and emotional depth, not just because of its runtime or filler. dismissing something beloved by so many as just a "time-killer" comes off as condescending

I'm sorry for coming off as condescending to you, but I am allowed to have my opinion on a series, as is everyone. The only reason I gave my adverse opinion on the series to you is because you were trying to claim that the series you like is objectively the best, while dismissing a series someone else likes as being inferior. I'll spell it out to you explicitly how you're doing this further down in my response.

loving a series isn’t about superiority, it’s about connection

I never said this, and would never do something so stupid as to say love is about superiority. I said that you have a superiority complex in response to you saying "you could never love something like we do" in #21. It should be obvious that what I am referring to is you saying that you and your ilk have a unique capacity for love that others do not, not the love of a series itself. Telling someone "you can't love things like I do" is indeed condescending.

what matters is the meaning it holds for the individual which you could never have since you're a retarded nerd.

There you go again. Saying that I can't have meaning in my life just because I dislike the thing you like, alongside some lovely epithets. Indeed, people can like and dislike things differently from you.

if you’re looking to “tear down delusions,” maybe step back and ask why it bothers you so much that others find joy in something you don’t.

I never said that I have a problem with you or anyone else enjoying mid-piece. What I have a problem with is you claiming it's objectively superior to series that other people choose to show their adoration for. In #11, you said that one piece "objectively clears bleach", citing it being the highest-selling manga as "evidence." bronzil_enjoyer was making fun of you here because you went out of your way to talk about one-piece being better than bleach in a thread that was about anticipating the next arc of bleach. See here.

With respect to me and my opinions, I literally said in #22 Ultimately, what you do with your time is your business.. I do not care what you enjoy in your free time. I care when you go out of your way to demean what others enjoy in their free time & furthermore claim the things you enjoy are superior to theirs, which indeed is fundamentally subjective topic. This is why my "tear down your delusions" comment was predicated by me saying "If you try to claim your [thing you enjoy] is superior, then". Me telling you my harsh opinion on One-piece was a response to your uppity comments stuck in a place where nobody asked for them.

Trying to claim objectivity in a topic that is so thoroughly subjective is delusional, i.e. you do not appreciate the true meaning of the word objectively. Besides, the metrics you cite to claim your beliefs are the truth are demonstrably faulty. The highest-grossing movie of all time is Avatar, which raked in ~2.9 billion dollars. However, if you were to ask people or critics what their favorite movie of all time is, the majority of them would not list Avatar as number 1. Even if you got the majority of people to agree your thing is the best thing, that would not be a reliable measure because there is nothing inherently virtuous about majority opinion. Case in point, in a recent survey, the majority of the U.S. population thought that Arabic numerals should not be taught in schools, which is indicative of the majority being fundamentally uninformed and wrong on a topic. You cannot claim one-piece is objectively better than anything. Insisting on doing so any further would be indicative of serious delusion.

retard thinks that it's a "sunk cost fallacy" to watch and celebrate something you enjoy.

No, I don't think it's a "sunk cost fallacy" to celebrate something you enjoy. I think that refusing to admit that plot is being drawn out to sell more manga is indicative of sunk-cost fallacy, but that's just my opinion on the series.

nerd maybe if you got out of your mom's basement, you would be able to enjoy something and find joy in your miserable life, "tearing down delusions"

Ah yes, more play-ground insults and fake insinuations. Not that it matters, but for the record I went no-contact with my mother years ago because she is a sociopath, and my life dramatically improved, so I guess I'm two steps ahead of your "advice." My life is actually quite happy, and I'm enjoying being a Physics Ph.D. student. I have enough time to reply to you since I'm on break, but after this I'll be working on calculations for a paper my research group is planning on publishing in a couple weeks, so I apologize if I can't give you a prompt response.

how retarded are you to think that the highest selling manga that people love is bought because you think people don't want to admit they don't like the series, narcissist much?

I never said you and others don't like the series. My opinion on the series is that the author unnecessarily draws out the plot to increase number of volumes sold and anime run-time, and that fans of the series are letting him get away with it. People are capable of liking things that are unhealthy for them. For example, for a long time smokers and tobacco companies argued that smoking was actually good for you lmao. Today, the majority of us (although sadly, not all) recognize that smoking is strongly correlated with lung cancer.

Ultimately, I don't care if you smoke in your free time. It's your choice what you do with your time. I do care when you try to tell others that smoking is objectively more fun than playing basketball, and that smoking "clears" basketball.

you should tie the knot if you think people buy something not because they enjoy it but because they "lost" their time only because YOU ( a retard ) don't like it, nothing revolves around you and your worldviews buddy. not everyone thinks like your fucking basement dwelling stinky retarded ass.

Wonderful, telling me to kll myself on top of more name-calling on top of more assertions of things I never said. Once again, I have no issues with people enjoying different things than me, and am quite happy with where I am in life right now. I am fully aware that not all people think like me, and am quite happy about it, because if everyone thought the same way, life would be rather boring.

1243, you need to reassess yourself. You told a person to k*ll themselves because they said the anime you like is mostly filler. You, and the behavior of your subsection of the one-piece fandom is how we got the term "stan". I apologize to the rest of the one-piece fandom for generalizing them to be like you. Your subsection of the fandom are the Evangelical Bible beaters of the anime community, telling us that if we don't accept your gospel we will go to hell, or to use your colorful language, are "miserable stinky mother's-basement-dwelling retarded bitches who should tie the knot."

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H3ENnZ
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Trash piece

#16
Hynix
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overrated shit piece naruto better

#17
H3ENnZ
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narut0

detective conan better

#18
Hynix
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naruto is dogshit too better than shit piece
d0t0ct0v0 c0n0n

doraemon better

#21
H3ENnZ
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d0ra0m0n they said

Actually i kinda respect it its peak media

#43
delighted
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hyn0x keke

#20
Prasinos
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One Piece fans when u ask they in wich aspect One piece is better than HxH and Hajime no ippo (They never had really understood One piece history and their messages):😰😰😰😰😰😶‍🌫️

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Prancer
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Reading this makes me want to unlearn English and never interact with anyone on the internet

#34
Patoow14
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what

#4
nobody___100
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prime DSGfan with an unbeatable allat post

#5
n1zf
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allat no tldr?

#6
c4rrotstix
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Are you the stupid emea lover or a new one

#7
DSGFan
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tldr: 1243 thinks that people who dislike one-piece should k*ll themselves, and I think that's stupid

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n1zf
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ty my pookie!

#52
z12
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its kinda funny that you are this pressed as a grown ass man in his mid twenties about a teenager being overtly passionate about defending a show they are fond of 😭

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Clucker
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Bros riding himself

#8
aquaa018
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DSGfan putting up Lebron numbers with the word count 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

filler-piece is shit fr !!!!

Kendrick Lamar type shit right here.

Blue lock clears ts imo

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darklord69
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one piss is garbage and if it came out today it'd be mocked

#11
PlasmatheGoat
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Dawg what even is this

#15
aquaa018
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doesn't take that long to read the first couple of sentences

#12
Clucker
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I kinda wanna change my name to DSGfanfan, This is peak detication, 1243 deserves this completely. He is a bomboclatt on levels equal to gamergirl, z12 and sideshowbaldhead.

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sideshowsbaldhead
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yeah that’s it ur going on the touch list

also not how you spell dedication bum

#14
Clucker
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DIDDY, NO!!!

Also what makes you think i would know how to spell detication im on a forum talking to a bald head, a bigot, a girl who is most definetly a guy, and some 300pounds american who might all be the same person.

Sorry didnt mean it.

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sideshowsbaldhead
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maybe the real z12 alts were the friends we made along the way

#22
Prasinos
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Sometimes you need to just ignore some people stupicity.
Debate with a One piece fan is the same as debate with a 15y old Kpop fan parasocial with their idol.

Put this much effort to a argument, so he will just think "this guy is a loser full of shit". And boom, he ignores everything u said.

#23
DSGFan
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I get that, but I still think it's beneficial for me to give an earnest reply.

#24
1243
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holy shit too much time in your sad life
you barged into a trolling conversation
i did not say any anime was shit
bronzil and i were trolling
HE AND I WERE TROLLING, YOURE THE ONE WITH THE SAD LIFE WHO TOOK IT SERIOUSLY, HOW SAD ARE YOU MY GUY

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catNmouse
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you were passive aggressive towards a kru fan for suggesting to work on yourself i don’t think you are any better.

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1243
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ye im not better, i don't have this level of shameless lack of perspective, bro is sweating online

#29
1243
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https://www.vlr.gg/post/4377251/one-piece
#21 proof that i was trolling
and you're not able to feel same connection because you're sad little retard, didn't read after a couple of highlighted lines, literally get some perspective

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1243
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see how people say trash piece, i don't respond to them, i was trolling with bronzil YOU DUMBFUCK you barged in and made it serious, such a sad life

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DSGFan
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tells person to kill themselves

"guys I was just trolling and not being serious"

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1243
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i was not trolling about your post, i was serious
i was trolling with bronzil
i think your life is so sad that youd be better off

no reading comprehension?? literally no reading comprehension bro just yaps like an acoustic kid

#40
DSGFan
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Doubles down on it. What are you, a 14 year old who thinks telling people to kill themselves is edgy and cool?

#42
darklord69
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you're even worse with how obsessed you are with getting attention

#49
Clucker
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Darklord69 bringing in an absolutly retarded comment

#27
kanyefan4238173
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Guys relaxxxx

Ur BOTH retarded 👍

#46
geospliced
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Might be the first time I agree with you, facts.

#47
kanyefan4238173
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🤝

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x_knowitall39_x
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this whole post is filler for offseason

also one piece mogs cant believe you have such a complex where such a statement unravels into this braindead post

#31
kanyefan4238173
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Yeah brah this is one of the longest posts I’ve ever seen and it’s about a guy being overly defensive of mid piece

#32
1243
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too much misery in a sad acoustic's life bro needs some validation by lying and gaining upfrags on vlr gg

#37
catNmouse
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dsgfan is known for these essays

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1243
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bros gonna write another thread now 🎊🎊

#41
DSGFan
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where did i lie? You keep insisting on saying my life is miserable, are you projecting? I think the guy telling others to kill themselves over anime needs to reconsider if they're happy or not.

#30
BoF7ooM
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Mid piece keke.
Also average pooperbot and j0nnggg fan.

#44
rtg9000
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this vlr shit serious get ready to die behind it

#45
uwukitten
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DSGF0n you gotta be one of the most parasocial users on this site, no matter how many upvotes you get here it won't make up for the attention your father didn't give you

#48
Aayan
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holy shit
is prime vlr back

although this 1243 person does seem to have some kind of maturity problem, I thought they had changed after my previous negative interaction with them since my interactions afterwards were generally positive, but I guess unfortunately not

#50
Clucker
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Aayan my goat

#51
Phil_Beverage
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Holy shit typing this much cause someone trolled you on vlr is insane, no?

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