https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1850901468045262966 nah vini jr got cucked by france football, also bro just got shit on in the classico, went from being sure of ballon d'or to being sure he wont win it.
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A_Scuttling_Turtl3 [#3]vini jr would be the least deserving player to win it besides maybe jude. neither of them are anything special nor did they have amazing years.
Now that's just pushing it a bit too far
Denjisideals [#2]You do know these awards are decided weeks prior right
For instance everyone was shitting on Fabrizio last year for leaking it a month prior
like almost last month, we had tweets like real madrid are sure vini jr will be getting the ballon d'or, like last week too
idkmanwth [#5]like almost last month, we had tweets like real madrid are sure vini jr will be getting the ballon d'or, like last week too
No one else knows other than the voting section, the players who usually are restricted from leaking it
A_Scuttling_Turtl3 [#3]vini jr would be the least deserving player to win it besides maybe jude. neither of them are anything special nor did they have amazing years.
who should have it then?
Denjisideals [#4]Now that's just pushing it a bit too far
hes not good
rodri and lautaro are better footballers last year, if you watch you'd know this
vini has terrible stats, but the thing is that he's all stats, he doesnt press, doesnt have any sort of next level football IQ, just a guy who has toni kross last year to spoon feed him
gamergirl [#9]hes not good
rodri and lautaro are better footballers last year, if you watch you'd know this
vini has terrible stats, but the thing is that he's all stats, he doesnt press, doesnt have any sort of next level football IQ, just a guy who has toni kross last year to spoon feed him
jude?
gamergirl [#9]hes not good
rodri and lautaro are better footballers last year, if you watch you'd know this
vini has terrible stats, but the thing is that he's all stats, he doesnt press, doesnt have any sort of next level football IQ, just a guy who has toni kross last year to spoon feed him
No
I am not saying he deserved it
But saying he didn't have a good year is wrong
La liga + UCL winner
A_Scuttling_Turtl3 [#3]vini jr would be the least deserving player to win it besides maybe jude. neither of them are anything special nor did they have amazing years.
woah, saying vini and jude did not have a special year is crazy, 2023-24 was all jude in the league and vini in the ucl, and i understand bellingham dried out by the second half of the league, but vini was balling out in the ucl, way more than rodri in the euros
A_Scuttling_Turtl3 [#3]vini jr would be the least deserving player to win it besides maybe jude. neither of them are anything special nor did they have amazing years.
braindead opinion. vini jr directly influenced (G/A) at least one goal per game in the entire playoffs at champions league (besides the 1st game vs leipzig). rodri wasn't even the best midfielder in either city or spain lol
gamergirl [#9]hes not good
rodri and lautaro are better footballers last year, if you watch you'd know this
vini has terrible stats, but the thing is that he's all stats, he doesnt press, doesnt have any sort of next level football IQ, just a guy who has toni kross last year to spoon feed him
Brother saying Lautaro is delusional as hell. Scaloni was asked about it and he said Lautaro deserved it and it just fucking cracked me up cause that mf literally had him on the bench, no shame
Mortadelo [#14]Man I'm really happy for Rodri but that's ridiculous lol
but if im being GENUINE, vini had a masterclass year with real madrid last year, like he sort of carried real madrid goals wise in the cl, if we're being totally honest, i feel like vini deserves it (im actually happy since im a barca fan and was getting sick of these vini>> neymar comparisons)
capital_d_colon [#18]Rodri deserved it over vini.
Although this was a notoriously weak year for the nominations.
No he didn't man, and I'm a Spanish non Madrid fan. You know me I want the spanish team/player to win all the time, but Vini definitely deserved it
idkmanwth [#17]but if im being GENUINE, vini had a masterclass year with real madrid last year, like he sort of carried real madrid goals wise in the cl, if we're being totally honest, i feel like vini deserves it (im actually happy since im a barca fan and was getting sick of these vini>> neymar comparisons)
The only actual argument some people have to not give him the ball d'or is. Oh he doesn't deserve it he is not good enough, like brother sure(don't really agree), but tf is that supposed to mean, do we just not give it to anyone or what?
Mortadelo [#20]The only actual argument some people have to not give him the ball d'or is. Oh he doesn't deserve it he is not good enough, like brother sure(don't really agree), but tf is that supposed to mean, do we just not give it to anyone or what?
the ONLY big reason people (non madrid fans) dont want vini to win is because of his behaviour. And tbh after messi-ronaldo era, every ballon d'or feels forced ngl, we used to have 60-70 g/a per season winners to 35-40 g/a, and i would be really happy if lautaro made top3 or won, because he carried that copa and was balling out for inter, but who cares imma watch lamine hold the kopa trophy and a barca player hold the female ballon d'or
idkmanwth [#21]the ONLY big reason people (non madrid fans) dont want vini to win is because of his behaviour. And tbh after messi-ronaldo era, every ballon d'or feels forced ngl, we used to have 60-70 g/a per season winners to 35-40 g/a, and i would be really happy if lautaro made top3 or won, because he carried that copa and was balling out for inter, but who cares imma watch lamine hold the kopa trophy and a barca player hold the female ballon d'or
People forget what ballon d'or was before those 2 man, his numbers are actually much better than many previous ballon d'ors
And yeah people just dislike him
Mortadelo [#19]No he didn't man, and I'm a Spanish non Madrid fan. You know me I want the spanish team/player to win all the time, but Vini definitely deserved it
International football has a huge weight to these awards and vinicius just doesn't do enough for Brazil.
I don't think rodri actually deserved the MVP for the euros but he still had a big impact in Spain winning the whole thing.
Also probably doesn't help that Jude was taking a lot of the spotlight especially in la Liga.
Mortadelo [#19]No he didn't man, and I'm a Spanish non Madrid fan. You know me I want the spanish team/player to win all the time, but Vini definitely deserved it
vini didnt even have that good of a season lmao, rodri had the best season from a dm ever
Mortadelo [#23]People forget what ballon d'or was before those 2 man, his numbers are actually much better than many previous ballon d'ors
And yeah people just dislike him
its funny how mbappe did not go to the france team during the international break to increase his chances of the ballon d'or and will watch his teammate not get the ballon d'or because he didnt perform in the brazil team
foythvlr [#15]braindead opinion. vini jr directly influenced (G/A) at least one goal per game in the entire playoffs at champions league (besides the 1st game vs leipzig). rodri wasn't even the best midfielder in either city or spain lol
rodri was the best player on city wtf r u saying
capital_d_colon [#25]International football has a huge weight to these awards and vinicius just doesn't do enough for Brazil.
I don't think rodri actually deserved the MVP for the euros but he still had a big impact in Spain winning the whole thing.
Also probably doesn't help that Jude was taking a lot of the spotlight especially in la Liga.
No brother, the World Cup does, the Euros don't. No one on this century has won the Ballon D'or for their Euros performance, no one
And yeah Rodri was very good, but the euros is not worth more than the UCL, it just isn't, it's never been in years past and I don't understand why it would be this year. Also Vini was a lot more important to Madrid than Rodri to Spain
thenutoriousPRO [#28]vini didnt even have that good of a season lmao, rodri had the best season from a dm ever
No brother, Vini absolutely carried the champions league campaign for the winning team, that is worth more than a good Euros performance, it's always been and I don't understand why it wouldn't this year
Mortadelo [#32]No brother, the World Cup does, the Euros don't. No one on this century has won the Ballon D'or for their Euros performance, no one
And yeah Rodri was very good, but the euros is not worth more than the UCL, it just isn't, it's never been in years past and I don't understand why it would be this year. Also Vini was a lot more important to Madrid than Rodri to Spain
vini was not important at all for madrid tbh, replace him with any top level winger they accomplish the exact same stuff.
now put literally any dm in the world in place of rodri for city and spain and see what happens
Mortadelo [#34]No brother, Vini absolutely carried the champions league campaign for the winning team, that is worth more than a good Euros performance, it's always been and I don't understand why it wouldn't this year
vini didnt carry shit, 3 npg. no one said vini deserved the ballon d'or until like the ucl final. fucking rodrygo was having a better season then him. and then he had a terrible copa america. euros is more important than ucl and rodri was euros pott. on top of that vini wasnt even like a top 3 player in la liga last season
thenutoriousPRO [#35]vini was not important at all for madrid tbh, replace him with any top level winger they accomplish the exact same stuff.
now put literally any dm in the world in place of rodri for city and spain and see what happens
Alright brother that's juts fucking dumb, Vini has scored and or assisted in every single one of the knockout rounds, no other winger is anywhere close to doing that. And also the whole scheme of Madrid was based of off just having the strikers do their magic, they were barely set up at all
Rodri is in fucking sane and key but he is NOT the reason Spain won, if you watch Spain U15's they play the same style of football, it is designed so that it's a team thing, not a 1 player thing (quite literally the opposite to Madrid)
Mortadelo [#38]Alright brother that's juts fucking dumb, Vini has scored and or assisted in every single one of the knockout rounds, no other winger is anywhere close to doing that. And also the whole scheme of Madrid was based of off just having the strikers do their magic, they were barely set up at all
Rodri is in fucking sane and key but he is NOT the reason Spain won, if you watch Spain U15's they play the same style of football, it is designed so that it's a team thing, not a 1 player thing (quite literally the opposite to Madrid)
if u put raphina, yamal, salah, saka, palmer, son or even fucking messi they win the ucl. at the end of the day no one is gonna remember vini's season like its some hall of fame season, unlike rodri who had the best season from a dm ever
thenutoriousPRO [#39]who was better
foden lol. literally the best player of the premier league season in all accounts. and rodri isn't being considered for his performance on city and you know that. he wasn't even considered top 5 on the award until may, before the euros. you can go look it up. and he wasn't even the best player of spain too
thenutoriousPRO [#36]vini didnt carry shit, 3 npg. no one said vini deserved the ballon d'or until like the ucl final. fucking rodrygo was having a better season then him. and then he had a terrible copa america. euros is more important than ucl and rodri was euros pott. on top of that vini wasnt even like a top 3 player in la liga last season
This is where our conversation ends then lol
1 in the final (1/2 goal contributuons)
2 goals in the semifinal (2/4 goal contributions)
3 assists in the quarter final (3/4 goal contributions)
1 in the first round (1/2 goal contributions)
He contributed to 7 out of 12 goals. If that is not carrying idk what is
thenutoriousPRO [#40]if u put raphina, yamal, salah, saka, palmer, son or even fucking messi they win the ucl. at the end of the day no one is gonna remember vini's season like its some hall of fame season, unlike rodri who had the best season from a dm ever
That is top 3 most stupid sentences I've ever read on here lol
Mortadelo [#32]No brother, the World Cup does, the Euros don't. No one on this century has won the Ballon D'or for their Euros performance, no one
And yeah Rodri was very good, but the euros is not worth more than the UCL, it just isn't, it's never been in years past and I don't understand why it would be this year. Also Vini was a lot more important to Madrid than Rodri to Spain
No the point is Rodri is instrumental for both club and country, Vinicius is not that for Brazil.
Besides Rodri was also a key piece to the man city puzzle, it's very obvious statistically and by watching man city that they struggle without him.
Rodri's consistency should push him above vinicius, who did have higher highs but also had the lower lows.
thenutoriousPRO [#35]vini was not important at all for madrid tbh, replace him with any top level winger they accomplish the exact same stuff.
now put literally any dm in the world in place of rodri for city and spain and see what happens
stupid take, i dislike vini but he was insane last year for RM.
foythvlr [#41]foden lol. literally the best player of the premier league season in all accounts. and rodri isn't being considered for his performance on city and you know that. he wasn't even considered top 5 on the award until may, before the euros. you can go look it up. and he wasn't even the best player of spain too
Foden was amazing but rodris impact is something difficult to see
When Rodri goes out injured city look like half the team
Demon1_The_GOAT [#27]RODRI WON? FUCK THE BALLONDOR!
More deserved than Messi in 2023 or messi in 2021
capital_d_colon [#45]No the point is Rodri is instrumental for both club and country, Vinicius is not that for Brazil.
Besides Rodri was also a key piece to the man city puzzle, it's very obvious statistically and by watching man city that they struggle without him.
Rodri's consistency should push him above vinicius, who did have higher highs but also had the lower lows.
Man City is still at the top of the league without him brother.
And what my point is, I’m fairly confident there is a very decent chance Spain wins those euros with Zubimendi in the starting 5 aswell. Spain is a system the players that play are not that important. Opposite to Madrid where the whole gameplan last year resolved around allowing Vini to do his magic
Also Rodri made the quarterfinals of the UCL and so did Vini in the Copa America
It also bothers me that City fans literally voted Foden as their player of the season, they don’t even actually appreciate Rodri, the only reason all of this is even a debate is because people actually fucking hate Vini
Mortadelo [#49]Man City is still at the top of the league without him brother.
And what my point is, I’m fairly confident there is a very decent chance Spain wins those euros with Zubimendi in the starting 5 aswell. Spain is a system the players that play are not that important. Opposite to Madrid where the whole gameplan last year resolved around allowing Vini to do his magic
Also Rodri made the quarterfinals of the UCL and so did Vini in the Copa America
It also bothers me that City fans literally voted Foden as their player of the season, they don’t even actually appreciate Rodri, the only reason all of this is even a debate is because people actually fucking hate Vini
Man city are no where near as dominate this season which is reflected by the amount of goals they have already conceded and their weakened overall control on games.
In the premier league last season, Rodri missed 4 games. City lost 3 of those 4, these were their only losses in the premier league that year.
Bellingham had a better output that Vinicius for almost the entirety of the season, ending the season with 1 goal less. (23/24 season)
Real Madrid even had 5 players with double digit goals scored, so its not like vini is carrying them.
The champions league run was not even convincing, scraped by Man city via penalties.
Scraped by Bayern munich, with Neuer making a huge error.
capital_d_colon [#50]Man city are no where near as dominate this season which is reflected by the amount of goals they have already conceded and their weakened overall control on games.
In the premier league last season, Rodri missed 4 games. City lost 3 of those 4, these were their only losses in the premier league that year.
Bellingham had a better output that Vinicius for almost the entirety of the season, ending the season with 1 goal less. (23/24 season)
Real Madrid even had 5 players with double digit goals scored, so its not like vini is carrying them.
The champions league run was not even convincing, scraped by Man city via penalties.
Scraped by Bayern munich, with Neuer making a huge error.
Jude hard carried the league, Vini de UCL. UCL is just more valuable. Rodri didn't carry either, Man City are very much capable of winning the premier without Rodri since they're doing it rn and Spain is very much capable of winning without him aswell.
And I fucking love Rodri he is the best defensive midfielder in the world by a wide margin, but I just can't buy it
Mortadelo [#51]Jude hard carried the league, Vini de UCL. UCL is just more valuable. Rodri didn't carry either, Man City are very much capable of winning the premier without Rodri since they're doing it rn and Spain is very much capable of winning without him aswell.
And I fucking love Rodri he is the best defensive midfielder in the world by a wide margin, but I just can't buy it
real madrid are also capable of winning the league and ucl without ronaldo, benz or modric, so what's your point?
rodri literally does everything that a midfielder needs to do flawlessly. Man literally hasn't lost a league game in couple years now - is this not a sign of greatness? name me one midfielder that has singlehandedly carried his team
Paraplant [#52]real madrid are also capable of winning the league and ucl without ronaldo, benz or modric, so what's your point?
rodri literally does everything that a midfielder needs to do flawlessly. Man literally hasn't lost a league game in couple years now - is this not a sign of greatness? name me one midfielder that has singlehandedly carried his team
Real Madrid were not winning that champions league with any other winger in the world that was not Vini, that is my point. Vini contributed to 7 out of their 12 goals man
And you do not need to tell me how great Rodri is, this is not about that. It's about who had the better season him or Vini, and it was definitely Vini
Mortadelo [#53]Real Madrid were not winning that champions league with any other winger in the world that was not Vini, that is my point. Vini contributed to 7 out of their 12 goals man
And you do not need to tell me how great Rodri is, this is not about that. It's about who had the better season him or Vini, and it was definitely Vini
give me barcola and keep kroos and they'd win
madrid fans hate their legends lol, kroos carried tf out that ucl, watch madrid now and you'd understand
Mortadelo [#53]Real Madrid were not winning that champions league with any other winger in the world that was not Vini, that is my point. Vini contributed to 7 out of their 12 goals man
And you do not need to tell me how great Rodri is, this is not about that. It's about who had the better season him or Vini, and it was definitely Vini
he was instrumental to the ucl win, but you're also forgetting the disgrace that was his copa performance - i think rodri's spain performance is the decisive factor for who had a better season
Paraplant [#55]he was instrumental to the ucl win, but you're also forgetting the disgrace that was his copa performance - i think rodri's spain performance is the decisive factor for who had a better season
A Euros has never ever been more important than the UCL, never, the UCL is just the more important tournament
Mortadelo [#56]A Euros has never ever been more important than the UCL, never, the UCL is just the more important tournament
it's not just about winning ucl - it's about absolutely shitting the bed at copa
Paraplant [#57]it's not just about winning ucl - it's about absolutely shitting the bed at copa
Brother Brazil was dogshit, Rodri was not making that Brazil team go any further. Vini on the other hand would have been insane on Spain
Also technically, he placed the same in the Copa America as Rodri in the UCL
Mortadelo [#58]Brother Brazil was dogshit, Rodri was not making that Brazil team go any further. Vini on the other hand would have been insane on Spain
Also technically, he placed the same in the Copa America as Rodri in the UCL
this is one of the rare times when the award was actually given based on level of play vs. trophies (which it's supposed to do) and people are upset, i can't
that first sentence is just ifs and buts, we don't know how it would be and it doesn't matter (as an example, everyone said how mbappe is gonna be INSANE at real, and look at him now)
reaching quarters in copa is clearly not the same thing as reaching quarters in the ucl - you literally said that yourself in your previous reply
Paraplant [#59]this is one of the rare times when the award was actually given based on level of play vs. trophies (which it's supposed to do) and people are upset, i can't
that first sentence is just ifs and buts, we don't know how it would be and it doesn't matter (as an example, everyone said how mbappe is gonna be INSANE at real, and look at him now)
reaching quarters in copa is clearly not the same thing as reaching quarters in the ucl - you literally said that yourself in your previous reply
reaching quarters in copa is clearly not the same thing as reaching quarters in the ucl
DIING DING DING BINGO
So we agree then? The Copa/Euros is not nearly as important/hard as the UCL?
Mortadelo [#60]reaching quarters in copa is clearly not the same thing as reaching quarters in the ucl
DIING DING DING BINGO
So we agree then? The Copa/Euros is not nearly as important/hard as the UCL?
"it's not just about winning ucl - it's about absolutely shitting the bed at copa"
motradelo can you read?
Paraplant [#61]"it's not just about winning ucl - it's about absolutely shitting the bed at copa"
motradelo can you read?
Brother but you just told me the UCL is more important, why would what happened at the Copa matter more
Mortadelo [#63]Brother but you just told me the UCL is more important, why would what happened at the Copa matter more
oh gee i don't know - maybe because it shows that he's nothing without real madrid?
and he isn't a carry like you say he is?
Paraplant [#64]oh gee i don't know - maybe because it shows that he's nothing without real madrid?
and he isn't a carry like you say he is?
Oh for fuck sake. Alright let's just agree to disagree Ig
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