EG Flor

I know. Insane idea, but hear me out.

1. The initial EG roster primarily aimed to help the growing GC scene through a co-ed roster. However, don’t take this as pandering to the marginalized community. This was a good experiment and an effort to bridge the gap between co-ed communities, regardless of how it turned out.

2. There’s been debate whether or not that Flor is good enough for Tier 2, let alone tier 2, but i believe she deserves a tryout at the very least. If she is good enough, then she should have tryouts without any issue. If she isn’t, she tried, therefore there will be chances to improve and get better.

3. Under good coaching and a good system, any player can become superstars, and fit comfortably into a role. Case in point: Demon1, c0m, Karon, even TenZ as a controller player. Potter has shown that she has the capability to create a good system and turn players into superstars.

Take Flor for her skill, not her gender. If gender is the end-all be-all, then the GC scene wouldn’t have existed.

''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

Nef0r0 [#2]

''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

that’s not wrong, any VCT pro can dominate in the right place at the right time

jawn [#3]

that’s not wrong, any VCT pro can dominate in the right place at the right time

anything can happen in the right place at the right time
doesn’t mean anything tho

jawn [#3]

that’s not wrong, any VCT pro can dominate in the right place at the right time

ok, stick boaster on fnatic duelist, build the entire system around him, take away the IGLing from him, I can assure you he will not be nearly as good as derke

Wat r ur thoughts on Bleed Flor?
She's VN so she won't be counted as an Import and Bleed can force another import?
+CrazyGuy

kamisavitar [#6]

Wat r ur thoughts on Bleed Flor?
She's VN so she won't be counted as an Import and Bleed can force another import?
+CrazyGuy

let them be, they’ve struggled enough 😭😭

lowkey even if she performs mid itd be a good pr move to sign her at the very least and would 4 sure give your games viewers

Yuniee44 [#8]

lowkey even if she performs mid itd be a good pr move to sign her at the very least and would 4 sure give your games viewers

Not to mention how big of a deal she would be if she performs really well

Nef0r0 [#2]

''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

Demon1, OXY, Karon
1 year before they got picked up by franchised teams they were all in Tier 3 not even competing in main challengers

Nef0r0 [#5]

ok, stick boaster on fnatic duelist, build the entire system around him, take away the IGLing from him, I can assure you he will not be nearly as good as derke

In the right condition*
A 29 yr uncle cannot develop skill as fast as 20ish yr+not the physical reflex will allow em.

But ya any player can shine in the correct environment and in the right condition.
No one was BORN with a Vandal in their hand

I take my goat goat sonocar https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
Bruh stop it can’t even beat t3 team and you saying t1 what are you smoking

kamisavitar [#11]

In the right condition*
A 29 yr uncle cannot develop skill as fast as 20ish yr+not the physical reflex will allow em.

But ya any player can shine in the correct environment and in the right condition.
No one was BORN with a Vandal in their hand

what condition is considered a right condition? Not everything can be right, and I am sure getting a tier 4 player into the right condition is a move which totally makes sense.

laifu [#10]

Demon1, OXY, Karon
1 year before they got picked up by franchised teams they were all in Tier 3 not even competing in main challengers

Which is still a higher level than GC. also weren't most of them PUG warriors?

I would love to see this but the amount of hate she would get is insane

"Under good coaching and a good system, any player can become superstars" after this logic u wouldnt be scouting players anymore but only coaches bcs u could put any human beeing under the coach and will somehow create him into a Derke, this logic is fucked and there are so many insane T2 duelists in NA and ALSO T3 or Collegiate players who earned the spot in the highest league even more (for example Wely or Sonofcar are insane and T3(???)) just take the most hardworking and most talented players like they did w Demon1 and they will be fine, maybe even make an international (would love to see a new Potter roster going Champs)

Nef0r0 [#13]

what condition is considered a right condition? Not everything can be right, and I am sure getting a tier 4 player into the right condition is a move which totally makes sense.

So u say flor is worse than a T4 player?
Dats crazy man

Rocky54 [#12]

I take my goat goat sonocar https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
Bruh stop it can’t even beat t3 team and you saying t1 what are you smoking

Sonofcar is insane, ive been watching his streams and hes just insane

Huitzilopochtli [#16]

"Under good coaching and a good system, any player can become superstars" after this logic u wouldnt be scouting players anymore but only coaches bcs u could put any human beeing under the coach and will somehow create him into a Derke, this logic is fucked and there are so many insane T2 duelists in NA and ALSO T3 or Collegiate players who earned the spot in the highest league even more (for example Wely or Sonofcar are insane and T3(???)) just take the most hardworking and most talented players like they did w Demon1 and they will be fine, maybe even make an international (would love to see a new Potter roster going Champs)

How do u know flor isn't hard-working if she is performing well INDIVIDUALLY in those T3-T4 tournaments

kamisavitar [#17]

So u say flor is worse than a T4 player?
Dats crazy man

https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
I would probably say that she isn't that good

kamisavitar [#19]

How do u know flor isn't hard-working if she is performing well INDIVIDUALLY in those T3-T4 tournaments

then she has to climb the ladder which a talented player like zander is currently grinding

Nef0r0 [#2]

''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

That’s literally how sports works. Sure, every player CANT become superstars, but they all have potential to. Are we going to say that if Messi wasn’t scouted at 16, joined Barca for his potential, he wouldn’t have become who he is today?

I can see if my point may be delusional but it is defensible.

kamisavitar [#19]

How do u know flor isn't hard-working if she is performing well INDIVIDUALLY in those T3-T4 tournaments

trust me theres 100% more kids playing 16hrs a day to make it to the top, bcs VCT and VCL is insanely more harder to make (bcs of the insane skill needed) than gc and even t3 is looking very strong rn

Nef0r0 [#14]

Which is still a higher level than GC. also weren't most of them PUG warriors?

Yes everyone mentioned had very outstanding performances in scrims/trials

GE Flor

Nef0r0 [#20]

https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
I would probably say that she isn't that good

https://www.vlr.gg/event/1954/challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers

Can u tell me whose abv INDIVIDUALLY Flor or Car?
U know na Valo is team game?
And there is sheer difference in both teams

kamisavitar [#6]

Wat r ur thoughts on Bleed Flor?
She's VN so she won't be counted as an Import and Bleed can force another import?
+CrazyGuy

Bleed Shanks
Bleed Flor
Bleed TenZ
Bleed Crazyguy
Bleed YESicaN

Nef0r0 [#20]

https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
I would probably say that she isn't that good

Oh yeah let's show the 1 game out of 9 in the qualifiers where she went negative, that's not cherry picking at all

Huitzilopochtli [#23]

trust me theres 100% more kids playing 16hrs a day to make it to the top, bcs VCT and VCL is insanely more harder to make (bcs of the insane skill needed) than gc and even t3 is looking very strong rn

I'm not even talking abt the GC matches it's abt the T3-T4 ones

redlight [#22]

That’s literally how sports works. Sure, every player CANT become superstars, but they all have potential to. Are we going to say that if Messi wasn’t scouted at 16, joined Barca for his potential, he wouldn’t have become who he is today?

I can see if my point may be delusional but it is defensible.

I am sorry, no.
Nicholas Latifi isn't beating Max Verstappen or Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery
Patrick Beverley isn't outplaying Steph Curry
Antony would never even sniff G+A of Cristiano Ronaldo.
Also Messi's case is indeed different, because Barcelona paid for his hormone problems (he was really really short), so yes, there wouldn't be the GOAT of Football

Conceit [#28]

Oh yeah let's show the 1 game out of 9 in the qualifiers where she went negative, that's not cherry picking at all

She is good, but she would need to go thru t2 first before even thinking about t1. The fact that mibr are going for t3 rn is retarded management, not meaning everyone can go to t1

kamisavitar [#29]

I'm not even talking abt the GC matches it's abt the T3-T4 ones

especially T3-4 players r grinding like crazy to even get the chance for a trial, the jump from T3 to T2 is the hardest imo even harder then T2 - T1 bcs in T3 u have NO name and solely need to put up insane numbers to be noticed

Nef0r0 [#20]

https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
I would probably say that she isn't that good

Pull up her stats with her tier 3 Stacks and not SR then talk, SR as a whole aren't challengers ready except Sarah and flor

Nef0r0 [#20]

https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
I would probably say that she isn't that good

Something ironic in linking a tourney where flor was statistically one of the best performing players

kamisavitar [#26]

https://www.vlr.gg/event/1954/challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers

Can u tell me whose abv INDIVIDUALLY Flor or Car?
U know na Valo is team game?
And there is sheer difference in both teams

is car in t1 rn?

laifu [#33]

Pull up her stats with her tier 3 Stacks and not SR then talk, SR as a whole aren't challengers ready except Sarah and flor

she has to go thru t2 is what I am trying to say. If she is good, she will exceed there. If she isn't, then she can improve. TNot everything needs to happen right now, these process take time

Yuniee44 [#34]

Something ironic in linking a tourney where flor was statistically one of the best performing players

I have never said that she is a bad player. People talk about her as if she is Tenz level of talent, yet she has some troubles at low competition. t2 is literally built for her to improve there.

Nef0r0 [#35]

is car in t1 rn?

She's better as per ur previous statement
Ik u r just stalling the debate
With 1 - 1 matches to argue

straybullet [#27]

Bleed Shanks
Bleed Flor
Bleed TenZ
Bleed Crazyguy
Bleed YESicaN

they would be relegated in T4 the instance this roster would be announced (u dare put Tenz in that team????)

Nef0r0 [#31]

She is good, but she would need to go thru t2 first before even thinking about t1. The fact that mibr are going for t3 rn is retarded management, not meaning everyone can go to t1

I agree, but you've been arguing in such bad faith

Nef0r0 [#37]

I have never said that she is a bad player. People talk about her as if she is Tenz level of talent, yet she has some troubles at low competition. t2 is literally built for her to improve there.

People talk about her as if she is a really talented player that has a chance of competing in T1, please plaease show me one person claiming shed dominate T1 or something. You posted one game of her doing bad against "low competition" when she was really solid throughout the entire tournament... even w0ot had some bad games in lower leagues. It just happens lol.

kamisavitar [#38]

She's better as per ur previous statement
Ik u r just stalling the debate
With 1 - 1 matches to argue

well I fucked up in my reply at number 20, she isn't that good as building an entire t1 roster around her and giving her the right system. A year in tier 2 on a loan wouldn't hurt her progress

id def be a fan!

Yuniee44 [#41]

People talk about her as if she is a really talented player that has a chance of competing in T1, please plaease show me one person claiming shed dominate T1 or something. You posted one game of her doing bad against "low competition" when she was really solid throughout the entire tournament... even w0ot had some bad games in lower leagues. It just happens lol.

The fact that people talk about promoting her into tier 1 and trialing her right now is just jumping the barell, get her into tier 2, give her some time and if she cooks, get her in

Conceit [#40]

I agree, but you've been arguing in such bad faith

because people put her gender over an objective reality. even if you scope a talented up and comer and put them into a t1 team with huge expectations, they can crumble. Tier 2 is the place for her to be rn. SIgn her and loan her to t2 is the move

Huitzilopochtli [#39]

they would be relegated in T4 the instance this roster would be announced (u dare put Tenz in that team????)

Bleed Shanks
Bleed Flor
Bleed Suka
Bleed Crazyguy
Bleed YESicaN

Okay 😭😭

Nef0r0 [#44]

The fact that people talk about promoting her into tier 1 and trialing her right now is just jumping the barell, get her into tier 2, give her some time and if she cooks, get her in

I understand that she should go through T2, I think most people would just like to see her in T1 and it would undoubtably be cool to see. I do think that for someone coming from GC finding a competent T2 team is probably more diffcult than for others though. Players are prejudiced

Yuniee44 [#47]

I understand that she should go through T2, I think most people would just like to see her in T1 and it would undoubtably be cool to see. I do think that for someone coming from GC finding a competent T2 team is probably more diffcult than for others though. Players are prejudiced

tier 2 is the level around which female/trans atheletes crumble most of the time

Nef0r0 [#42]

well I fucked up in my reply at number 20, she isn't that good as building an entire t1 roster around her and giving her the right system. A year in tier 2 on a loan wouldn't hurt her progress

Yes dats fine too, but ig she is not dat cheap for T2 teams, not coz of her skills but ig socials/numbers
Ig SR has to cmbk in T2 and build arnd Flor for that

Nef0r0 [#48]

tier 2 is the level around which female/trans atheletes crumble most of the time

T2 is just generally where people crumble, I dont think that has much to do with gender. Bob did fairly decent for example.

kamisavitar [#49]

Yes dats fine too, but ig she is not dat cheap for T2 teams, not coz of her skills but ig socials/numbers
Ig SR has to cmbk in T2 and build arnd Flor for that

couldn't she make it into MxS

Yuniee44 [#50]

T2 is just generally where people crumble, I dont think that has much to do with gender. Bob did fairly decent for example.

sry, meant sports like f3-f2 in the f1 series. female drivers usually stop there. Same for esports

Nef0r0 [#51]

couldn't she make it into MxS

Oh yeah it's a partnership I forgot

Rocky54 [#12]

I take my goat goat sonocar https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
Bruh stop it can’t even beat t3 team and you saying t1 what are you smoking

1. Sonofcar is insane
2. It’s a team game, flor played with 4 players who average imm3.

Paraplant [#4]

anything can happen in the right place at the right time
doesn’t mean anything tho

you phrased that like it was contradictory to what i said

Nef0r0 [#52]

sry, meant sports like f3-f2 in the f1 series. female drivers usually stop there. Same for esports

I understand the concern, but its impossible to judge before trial. I think Florescent has the mechanical capabilities to suceed in Val, T2 and even T1. It is still a factor though that due to her Identity she will face more hate, discrimnation and critique than other plays and its possible and understandable that she would crumble under that

Nef0r0 [#5]

ok, stick boaster on fnatic duelist, build the entire system around him, take away the IGLing from him, I can assure you he will not be nearly as good as derke

you can’t assure me because you’re just guessing

jawn [#57]

you can’t assure me because you’re just guessing

so we will still consider it a real possibility with like a 5% chance?

Nef0r0 [#45]

because people put her gender over an objective reality. even if you scope a talented up and comer and put them into a t1 team with huge expectations, they can crumble. Tier 2 is the place for her to be rn. SIgn her and loan her to t2 is the move

I said I agree with you, you've just been so dishonest. When I see you link the one game in the tournament where she went negative, how the fuck am I supposed to take you seriously? Your first message in this thread is just straw manning the op, or you just not understanding what he was saying even though he provided examples. Like I agree, she should got to tier 2 first, but you didn't say that until after all the bullshit

Yuniee44 [#56]

I understand the concern, but its impossible to judge before trial. I think Florescent has the mechanical capabilities to suceed in Val, T2 and even T1. It is still a factor though that due to her Identity she will face more hate, discrimnation and critique than other plays and its possible and understandable that she would crumble under that

I feel like in t2 she can gain some experience and have less pressure on her when going into t1

Conceit [#59]

I said I agree with you, you've just been so dishonest. When I see you link the one game in the tournament where she went negative, how the fuck am I supposed to take you seriously? Your first message in this thread is just straw manning the op, or you just not understanding what he was saying even though he provided examples. Like I agree, she should got to tier 2 first, but you didn't say that until after all the bullshit

the op statement was an overstatement, so I kinda argued with it. also TBF I am sorta new to the scene so I thought that it was just her being some talented GC player and not someone who had some achievements in t3.

Nef0r0 [#58]

so we will still consider it a real possibility with like a 5% chance?

yes, especially in valorant

tenz’s superstar legacy was built on the fact that sinatraa caught a case and he subbed in for him, the chances of that career trajectory happening are astronomically low yet it still happened

jawn [#62]

yes, especially in valorant

tenz’s superstar legacy was built on the fact that sinatraa caught a case and he subbed in for him, the chances of that career trajectory happening are astronomically low yet it still happened

I guess we will just stay at our opinion then :)

Nef0r0 [#63]

I guess we will just stay at our opinion then :)

i mean yeah, none of us have any real evidence or data to prove it, time will tell for flor

Huitzilopochtli [#16]

"Under good coaching and a good system, any player can become superstars" after this logic u wouldnt be scouting players anymore but only coaches bcs u could put any human beeing under the coach and will somehow create him into a Derke, this logic is fucked and there are so many insane T2 duelists in NA and ALSO T3 or Collegiate players who earned the spot in the highest league even more (for example Wely or Sonofcar are insane and T3(???)) just take the most hardworking and most talented players like they did w Demon1 and they will be fine, maybe even make an international (would love to see a new Potter roster going Champs)

Bro tried to sneak Derke in 😹 😹 😹 😹

Yuniee44 [#8]

lowkey even if she performs mid itd be a good pr move to sign her at the very least and would 4 sure give your games viewers

Why tf would teams care about a PR move when they'll be playing a 4v5 every game and end up dead last. That's stupid af.

Vegaaa [#54]

1. Sonofcar is insane
2. It’s a team game, flor played with 4 players who average imm3.

1) And yet you don't see like 200 posts about saying if Sonofcar should be in T1 because literally no one thinks that. If Sonofcar got to farm mickey mouse T4 gc players, he'd also look like a god.

Yuniee44 [#9]

Not to mention how big of a deal she would be if she performs really well

You might as well sign some random ranked iron and see if they'll pop up if you want to finish dead last.

Nef0r0 [#51]

couldn't she make it into MxS

If MxS want to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars to finish dead last and come nowhere close to even qualifying to Ascension, then sure.

Nef0r0 [#30]

I am sorry, no.
Nicholas Latifi isn't beating Max Verstappen or Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery
Patrick Beverley isn't outplaying Steph Curry
Antony would never even sniff G+A of Cristiano Ronaldo.
Also Messi's case is indeed different, because Barcelona paid for his hormone problems (he was really really short), so yes, there wouldn't be the GOAT of Football

The F1 can be argued for sure.

dont bring up GC on vlr. you will not get a genuine discussion.

flor isn't even a ranked demon or does she not play ranked at all

Nef0r0 [#2]

''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

case in point my ranked teammates
these motherfuckers will NEVER amount to anything in their lives no matter what miracles happen in the world

Nef0r0 [#2]

''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

"not all players can become superstars, but a superstar could come from any place"

-ratatouille or i dont remember who tf said that in the movie linguini maybe?

Are you deluded? Nobody sees flor and thinks gender over skill
She isn't ready and she shouldn't get a free pass to try her luck in t1 just because she's flor
The right way to see if she can hang is playing in t2 or qualifying for t2 with her own team

Please stop this flor agenda, go build T2 with bunch of guy and prove it