EG Flor | VLR.gg

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redlight

I know. Insane idea, but hear me out.

The initial EG roster primarily aimed to help the growing GC scene through a co-ed roster. However, don’t take this as pandering to the marginalized community. This was a good experiment and an effort to bridge the gap between co-ed communities, regardless of how it turned out.
There’s been debate whether or not that Flor is good enough for Tier 2, let alone tier 2, but i believe she deserves a tryout at the very least. If she is good enough, then she should have tryouts without any issue. If she isn’t, she tried, therefore there will be chances to improve and get better.
Under good coaching and a good system, any player can become superstars, and fit comfortably into a role. Case in point: Demon1, c0m, Karon, even TenZ as a controller player. Potter has shown that she has the capability to create a good system and turn players into superstars.

Take Flor for her skill, not her gender. If gender is the end-all be-all, then the GC scene wouldn’t have existed.

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''any player can become superstars''
most delusional thesis I have ever seen.

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that’s not wrong, any VCT pro can dominate in the right place at the right time

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anything can happen in the right place at the right time
doesn’t mean anything tho

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you phrased that like it was contradictory to what i said

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ok, stick boaster on fnatic duelist, build the entire system around him, take away the IGLing from him, I can assure you he will not be nearly as good as derke

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In the right condition*
A 29 yr uncle cannot develop skill as fast as 20ish yr+not the physical reflex will allow em.

But ya any player can shine in the correct environment and in the right condition.
No one was BORN with a Vandal in their hand

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what condition is considered a right condition? Not everything can be right, and I am sure getting a tier 4 player into the right condition is a move which totally makes sense.

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So u say flor is worse than a T4 player?
Dats crazy man

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https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
I would probably say that she isn't that good

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/1954/challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers

Can u tell me whose abv INDIVIDUALLY Flor or Car?
U know na Valo is team game?
And there is sheer difference in both teams

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is car in t1 rn?

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kamisavitar

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She's better as per ur previous statement
Ik u r just stalling the debate
With 1 - 1 matches to argue

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Oh yeah let's show the 1 game out of 9 in the qualifiers where she went negative, that's not cherry picking at all

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Nef0r0

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She is good, but she would need to go thru t2 first before even thinking about t1. The fact that mibr are going for t3 rn is retarded management, not meaning everyone can go to t1

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I agree, but you've been arguing in such bad faith

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Pull up her stats with her tier 3 Stacks and not SR then talk, SR as a whole aren't challengers ready except Sarah and flor

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she has to go thru t2 is what I am trying to say. If she is good, she will exceed there. If she isn't, then she can improve. TNot everything needs to happen right now, these process take time

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Something ironic in linking a tourney where flor was statistically one of the best performing players

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I have never said that she is a bad player. People talk about her as if she is Tenz level of talent, yet she has some troubles at low competition. t2 is literally built for her to improve there.

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People talk about her as if she is a really talented player that has a chance of competing in T1, please plaease show me one person claiming shed dominate T1 or something. You posted one game of her doing bad against "low competition" when she was really solid throughout the entire tournament... even w0ot had some bad games in lower leagues. It just happens lol.

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you can’t assure me because you’re just guessing

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so we will still consider it a real possibility with like a 5% chance?

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jawn

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yes, especially in valorant

tenz’s superstar legacy was built on the fact that sinatraa caught a case and he subbed in for him, the chances of that career trajectory happening are astronomically low yet it still happened

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I guess we will just stay at our opinion then :)

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jawn

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i mean yeah, none of us have any real evidence or data to prove it, time will tell for flor

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laifu

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Demon1, OXY, Karon
1 year before they got picked up by franchised teams they were all in Tier 3 not even competing in main challengers

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Nef0r0

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Which is still a higher level than GC. also weren't most of them PUG warriors?

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Yes everyone mentioned had very outstanding performances in scrims/trials

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That’s literally how sports works. Sure, every player CANT become superstars, but they all have potential to. Are we going to say that if Messi wasn’t scouted at 16, joined Barca for his potential, he wouldn’t have become who he is today?

I can see if my point may be delusional but it is defensible.

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I am sorry, no.
Nicholas Latifi isn't beating Max Verstappen or Lewis Hamilton in equal machinery
Patrick Beverley isn't outplaying Steph Curry
Antony would never even sniff G+A of Cristiano Ronaldo.
Also Messi's case is indeed different, because Barcelona paid for his hormone problems (he was really really short), so yes, there wouldn't be the GOAT of Football

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The F1 can be argued for sure.

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case in point my ranked teammates
these motherfuckers will NEVER amount to anything in their lives no matter what miracles happen in the world

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koromast

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"not all players can become superstars, but a superstar could come from any place"

-ratatouille or i dont remember who tf said that in the movie linguini maybe?

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kamisavitar

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Wat r ur thoughts on Bleed Flor?
She's VN so she won't be counted as an Import and Bleed can force another import?
+CrazyGuy

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Paraplant

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let them be, they’ve struggled enough 😭😭

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Bleed Shanks
Bleed Flor
Bleed TenZ
Bleed Crazyguy
Bleed YESicaN

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they would be relegated in T4 the instance this roster would be announced (u dare put Tenz in that team????)

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Bleed Shanks
Bleed Flor
Bleed Suka
Bleed Crazyguy
Bleed YESicaN

Okay 😭😭

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Yuniee44

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lowkey even if she performs mid itd be a good pr move to sign her at the very least and would 4 sure give your games viewers

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Yuniee44

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Not to mention how big of a deal she would be if she performs really well

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You might as well sign some random ranked iron and see if they'll pop up if you want to finish dead last.

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bobwoblob

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Why tf would teams care about a PR move when they'll be playing a 4v5 every game and end up dead last. That's stupid af.

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I take my goat goat sonocar https://www.vlr.gg/298268/shopify-rebellion-vs-1337-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1-top-32-lr4
Bruh stop it can’t even beat t3 team and you saying t1 what are you smoking

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Sonofcar is insane, ive been watching his streams and hes just insane

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Vegaaa

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Sonofcar is insane
It’s a team game, flor played with 4 players who average imm3.

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1) And yet you don't see like 200 posts about saying if Sonofcar should be in T1 because literally no one thinks that. If Sonofcar got to farm mickey mouse T4 gc players, he'd also look like a god.

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I would love to see this but the amount of hate she would get is insane

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"Under good coaching and a good system, any player can become superstars" after this logic u wouldnt be scouting players anymore but only coaches bcs u could put any human beeing under the coach and will somehow create him into a Derke, this logic is fucked and there are so many insane T2 duelists in NA and ALSO T3 or Collegiate players who earned the spot in the highest league even more (for example Wely or Sonofcar are insane and T3(???)) just take the most hardworking and most talented players like they did w Demon1 and they will be fine, maybe even make an international (would love to see a new Potter roster going Champs)

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How do u know flor isn't hard-working if she is performing well INDIVIDUALLY in those T3-T4 tournaments

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then she has to climb the ladder which a talented player like zander is currently grinding

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trust me theres 100% more kids playing 16hrs a day to make it to the top, bcs VCT and VCL is insanely more harder to make (bcs of the insane skill needed) than gc and even t3 is looking very strong rn

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I'm not even talking abt the GC matches it's abt the T3-T4 ones

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especially T3-4 players r grinding like crazy to even get the chance for a trial, the jump from T3 to T2 is the hardest imo even harder then T2 - T1 bcs in T3 u have NO name and solely need to put up insane numbers to be noticed

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Bro tried to sneak Derke in 😹 😹 😹 😹

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straybullet

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GE Flor

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id def be a fan!

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sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy

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dont bring up GC on vlr. you will not get a genuine discussion.

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flor isn't even a ranked demon or does she not play ranked at all

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Are you deluded? Nobody sees flor and thinks gender over skill
She isn't ready and she shouldn't get a free pass to try her luck in t1 just because she's flor
The right way to see if she can hang is playing in t2 or qualifying for t2 with her own team

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Please stop this flor agenda, go build T2 with bunch of guy and prove it