Is it Asuna with 100T? October 2020 - present. Has anyone else stuck around with a tier 1 team longer than that?
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welikefortniteandvalorant [#3]In theory sinatraa since he signed in 2020 April, and he always mentioned in streams that SEN is the only org he would play for and given his skill he probably wouldve played up to today but yeah just another food for thought
jesus you sinatraa fanboys really cant stop talking about him
he isnt going to fuck you dawg you're too down to consent to it
finnwithtwons [#12]jesus you sinatraa fanboys really cant stop talking about him
he isnt going to fuck you dawg you're too down to consent to it
i dont even like that guy
he just signed very early and probably would still play for them
i dont know why you get offensive so easily
but given that vlr is full of degenerate losers theyd jump to conclusions when somebody mentions sinatraa
finnwithtwons [#12]jesus you sinatraa fanboys really cant stop talking about him
he isnt going to fuck you dawg you're too down to consent to it
how does a name get your panties in a twist lol
canadian mindset
Hynix [#16]how does a name get your panties in a twist lol
canadian mindset
just mindnumbingly cringe how these kids fanboy
all fandom of that nature is objectively annoying and stupid and the only people that disagree are the teenagers that participate in it
welikefortniteandvalorant [#13]i dont even like that guy
he just signed very early and probably would still play for them
i dont know why you get offensive so easily
but given that vlr is full of degenerate losers theyd jump to conclusions when somebody mentions sinatraa
just see too many braindead sinatraa fanboys on here, dude is so cringe and also just straight up raped someone which everyone has collectively turned a blind eye to
Hynix [#16]how does a name get your panties in a twist lol
canadian mindset
Canadian mindset is CRAZY
finnwithtwons [#19]just see too many braindead sinatraa fanboys on here, dude is so cringe and also just straight up raped someone which everyone has collectively turned a blind eye to
Did he? Why is he not in prison.
PGA1pha [#25]Did he? Why is he not in prison.
do you unironically think every single rapist goes to prison
finnwithtwons [#26]do you unironically think every single rapist goes to prison
Shouldnt call someone a rapist if he isnt proven to be one..................
NRGSUPERFAN [#27]Shouldnt call someone a rapist if he isnt proven to be one..................
snowflake lmao
Hynix [#16]how does a name get your panties in a twist lol
canadian mindset
your country is currently doing awful things to women no wonder you like sinatraa
kirrans [#9]true but boaster was on SUMN FC in aug 2020 which was then bought out by fnc so technically he would be the longest
yeah boaster was there for the first qualifier and the first masters idk who else is close
NRGSUPERFAN [#30]mb for being a normal human being
normal human beings listen to recordings and believe victims but ok man, whatever you say
NRGSUPERFAN [#27]Shouldnt call someone a rapist if he isnt proven to be one..................
luckily i am not the us law system and therefore i can find him guilty based on the audio file of him raping someone and his lack of cooperation with any investigation!
aford277 [#29]your country is currently doing awful things to women no wonder you like sinatraa
fr LMAO buddy should go back to deepfaking women like the other boys in his 9th grade class
aford277 [#29]your country is currently doing awful things to women no wonder you like sinatraa
Korea, being the soulless urban dystopian hellscape, will always be a billion times better than Cuckistan. Funny part is that your own citizens would agree. Make sure to clean up the needles when I'll be visiting for Masters Toronto next year.
finnwithtwons [#32]normal human beings listen to recordings and believe victims but ok man, whatever you say
Normal human beings believe in "innocent until proven"
cloudberry [#22]Canadian mindset is CRAZY
i was referring to canadian government's obsession with generally frivolous social issues rather than giving any thought to the skyrocketing inflation and cost of living. not a very valid way of saying it in hindsight.
i love canadian people yall are real chill <3
except for the ones below this apparently. tbf i started it
arin2016 [#36]Normal human beings believe in "innocent until proven"
do you realize that there is a difference between the legal obligation of the justice system in terms of how it treats defendants and public opinion
or is that too complex for you
finnwithtwons [#19]just see too many braindead sinatraa fanboys on here, dude is so cringe and also just straight up raped someone which everyone has collectively turned a blind eye to
ur just accusing people without proof
or do u not know how the justice system works
no proof= innocent
and that is a fact u cant deny it
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art11d.html
straight up just labeling an innocent person BY LAW as a rapist is wild
we dont live in a world based on "oh i think hes innocent"
we live in a world where laws are put in place by governments and we follow them
here, sinatraa is innocent under law so u can say whatever u want he will still always be innocent
moomoomoomeadows [#33]luckily i am not the us law system and therefore i can find him guilty based on the audio file of him raping someone and his lack of cooperation with any investigation!
luckily thats not how it works
Twentytwo [#14]Wait asuna is Ukrainian, huh you learn new things everyday
Yes he has the genes, just getting underwhelmed in NA environment
smthlikeyou11 [#40]ur just accusing people without proof
or do u not know how the justice system works
no proof= innocent
and that is a fact u cant deny it
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art11d.html
straight up just labeling an innocent person BY LAW as a rapist is wild
we dont live in a world based on "oh i think hes innocent"
we live in a world where laws are put in place by governments and we follow them
here, sinatraa is innocent under law so u can say whatever u want he will still always be innocent
innocent =/= not proven guilty
really simple concept mate
also there is a whole ass recording, so lmk how that goes for proof for you
finnwithtwons [#39]do you realize that there is a difference between the legal obligation of the justice system in terms of how it treats defendants and public opinion
or is that too complex for you
"Innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to be the public opinion in a civilized society. That is why most streamers didn't shun him like you freaks and instead chose to take a neutral stance unless clear evidence was presented that actually proved him guilty, clear evidence that is not a 9 page anecdotal document presenting absolutely nothing but an incredibly short out of context clip. At best, both of them are horrible people.
If the legal system followed your rules then society would collapse in one day. People in power would be the first ones to claim victims. But your twitter brainrot mind cannot comprehend socioeconomic so it's useless. Please read some more books.
finnwithtwons [#43]innocent =/= not proven guilty
really simple concept mate
also there is a whole ass recording, so lmk how that goes for proof for you
Btw for anyone else reading this. The "recording" is referring to is a 10 second clip with no context provided. The girl's twitter account is now suspended. At best it was a toxic relationship from both sides. Also, take it as you will but the girl made an onlyfans account right after the accusations (note that I'm not against OF, I'm talking more about the timing of that career move)
So yeah, keep yapping about that "groundbreaking!" proof you got.
arin2016 [#45]Btw for anyone else reading this. The "recording" is referring to is a 10 second clip with no context provided. The girl's twitter account is now suspended. At best it was a toxic relationship from both sides. Also, take it as you will but the girl made an onlyfans account right after the accusations (note that I'm not against OF, I'm talking more about the timing of that career move)
So yeah, keep yapping about that "groundbreaking!" proof you got.
you'll never guess what is said in the recording
also my twitter account is also suspended, who gives a shit? we're acting like twitter isn't a cesspool or something?
finnwithtwons [#46]you'll never guess what is said in the recording
also my twitter account is also suspended, who gives a shit? we're acting like twitter isn't a cesspool or something?
I know what was said in the recording. She deleted it too. So much for "proof". If you're going to say that she didn't pursue the case out of peer pressure, then are you also going to say that her creating an OF right after accusations is her coping mechanism?
Let it rest buddy
arin2016 [#44]"Innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to be the public opinion in a civilized society. That is why most streamers didn't shun him like you freaks and instead chose to take a neutral stance unless clear evidence was presented that actually proved him guilty, clear evidence that is not a 9 page anecdotal document presenting absolutely nothing but an incredibly short out of context clip. At best, both of them are horrible people.
If the legal system followed your rules then society would collapse in one day. People in power would be the first ones to claim victims. But your twitter brainrot mind cannot comprehend socioeconomic so it's useless. Please read some more books.
the point, you dumb sack of shit, is that the legal system follows the idea that defendants are innocent until proven guilty - this does not mean the public should abjectly follow this perspective(rather, they should form their own opinions based on the evidence available), it means the justice system should not treat defendants as guilty until the trial process affirms them as such because the justice system presuming guilty people to be innocent and treating them as such is better than it presuming the inverse.
the public is free to form their own opinions as they choose and does not have to behave within these confines unless they are a member of the relevant jury, because the burden of proof juries are required to make determinations on is beyond any reasonable doubt rather than what they believe to be more likely
public opinion does not have these kinds of stakes in the slightest, which is why people are completely allowed to presume individuals on trial as guilty without society collapsing in a day - this is evidenced by the fact that it has not done so yet
i have a masters in english and i minored in political science my friend, i have paid far too much for textbooks to be told to go read more of them
arin2016 [#47]I know what was said in the recording. She deleted it too. So much for "proof". If you're going to say that she didn't pursue the case out of peer pressure, then are you also going to say that her creating an OF right after accusations is her coping mechanism?
Let it rest buddy
if you feel these explanations are so far-fetched that it is self-evident, you clearly have never been raped or dealt with people that have
this is just a guy without empathy talking to a victim, i honestly don't know how to help you here mate
finnwithtwons [#19]just see too many braindead sinatraa fanboys on here, dude is so cringe and also just straight up raped someone which everyone has collectively turned a blind eye to
just see too many braindead sinatraa fanboys on here
vro vlr is legit the number 1 sinatraa hatepage, if you said tiktok or youtube sure because most brainrotten people dont use vlr (ironically)
i agree that hes cringe but again he was never proven just like flashback and mazino
finnwithtwons [#43]innocent =/= not proven guilty
really simple concept mate
also there is a whole ass recording, so lmk how that goes for proof for you
recording is a 10 second clip thats out of context mate
and yes innocent = not guilty thats the entire concept of innocent until proven guilty lmfao
who r u to tell me how the justice system works?
finnwithtwons [#48]the point, you dumb sack of shit, is that the legal system follows the idea that defendants are innocent until proven guilty - this does not mean the public should abjectly follow this perspective(rather, they should form their own opinions based on the evidence available), it means the justice system should not treat defendants as guilty until the trial process affirms them as such because the justice system presuming guilty people to be innocent and treating them as such is better than it presuming the inverse.
the public is free to form their own opinions as they choose and does not have to behave within these confines unless they are a member of the relevant jury, because the burden of proof juries are required to make determinations on is beyond any reasonable doubt rather than what they believe to be more likely
public opinion does not have these kinds of stakes in the slightest, which is why people are completely allowed to presume individuals on trial as guilty without society collapsing in a day - this is evidenced by the fact that it has not done so yet
i have a masters in english and i minored in political science my friend, i have paid far too much for textbooks to be told to go read more of them
masters in english and u start ur sentence calling people personal insults to get ur point across-wow really shows ur point mate
u can form whatever opinion u want u can think the sky is green and people would just think ur a dumbass- as much as u want it to be green, sky is blue.
at the end of the day facts are facts and the fact is that hes innocent, u cant change that or u can continue to live in denial, sinatraa is innocent and will NEVER be put behind bars at least for this incident specifically
finnwithtwons [#48]the point, you dumb sack of shit, is that the legal system follows the idea that defendants are innocent until proven guilty - this does not mean the public should abjectly follow this perspective(rather, they should form their own opinions based on the evidence available), it means the justice system should not treat defendants as guilty until the trial process affirms them as such because the justice system presuming guilty people to be innocent and treating them as such is better than it presuming the inverse.
the public is free to form their own opinions as they choose and does not have to behave within these confines unless they are a member of the relevant jury, because the burden of proof juries are required to make determinations on is beyond any reasonable doubt rather than what they believe to be more likely
public opinion does not have these kinds of stakes in the slightest, which is why people are completely allowed to presume individuals on trial as guilty without society collapsing in a day - this is evidenced by the fact that it has not done so yet
i have a masters in english and i minored in political science my friend, i have paid far too much for textbooks to be told to go read more of them
they should form their own opinions
proceeds to call him a 'dumb sack of shit' for having his own opinion
It's not wrong to have your opinion be 'innocent until proven guilty'
finnwithtwons [#48]the point, you dumb sack of shit, is that the legal system follows the idea that defendants are innocent until proven guilty - this does not mean the public should abjectly follow this perspective(rather, they should form their own opinions based on the evidence available), it means the justice system should not treat defendants as guilty until the trial process affirms them as such because the justice system presuming guilty people to be innocent and treating them as such is better than it presuming the inverse.
the public is free to form their own opinions as they choose and does not have to behave within these confines unless they are a member of the relevant jury, because the burden of proof juries are required to make determinations on is beyond any reasonable doubt rather than what they believe to be more likely
public opinion does not have these kinds of stakes in the slightest, which is why people are completely allowed to presume individuals on trial as guilty without society collapsing in a day - this is evidenced by the fact that it has not done so yet
i have a masters in english and i minored in political science my friend, i have paid far too much for textbooks to be told to go read more of them
Why are you getting so angry? Have you considering calming down first. It's not healthy to get this angry on the internet over a random discussion. If anything, it shows your mental state and explains why you think emotionally, just like you're doing right now.
And yes, you do need to read more books because I guarantee everyone that you probably majored in cultural studies, and of course you have a masters in English lmao, because if not that then I would have guessed you probably got one in social justice or climate science. I don't understand why you would self-report like that but okay I guess
Anyways, now on your first comment. There is nothing that says the public can't do that, just like how there is no rule that says a snail can't enter a race. But when societal ethics and common sense come into play (assuming you don't know what any of those are since you immediately start insulting someone for having a different opinion), it's not the wisest thing to do.
There is a law in place that will prosecute the accused, and until they have been proven guilty by prosecution, no one should incriminate the accused or shun them based on anything. The general public cannot sort through evidence and verify what is truthful and what's not.
Because if they could, then we should bring back those witch lynchings from old times. Because we all know how amazing that went, right? Lmfao
Unless the defendant is like MrBeast and he is pulling a SLAPP (assuming there is no anti-SLAPP measurements in that jurisdiction), you can't make a judgment on your own and incriminate the person.
It is ethically wrong, and can be incredibly damaging to their career, even if the public is technically free to do that. Who is going to pay reparations for that, the government? Have you ever thought about that?
finnwithtwons [#49]if you feel these explanations are so far-fetched that it is self-evident, you clearly have never been raped or dealt with people that have
this is just a guy without empathy talking to a victim, i honestly don't know how to help you here mate
This is a nonsensical reply. You're avoiding mentioning anything related to what I said about the OF or the lack of proof. It's because you clearly have no argument other than the "empathy" one.
And about "empathy", if you had even a hint of empathy then you wouldn't be saying all this. There is nothing wrong with be empathetic, but you're being empathetic out of an agenda. Empathy goes both ways. You feel bad about the girl but the guy who's life will be destroyed, you don't care about him, in a situation where either of them could be lying. That speaks volumes on your "empathy"
And on this very website, I've conversed with someone about rape. And I can show receipts right now, clearly proving how much I take that crime seriously. This finger pointing of "but you're not that, you're not this" will lead to nowhere. You know who you are and what you're trying to do. Just accept it, you've got an agenda. You don't care about logic or empathy, you only care about what's important to you, English major. You can't even control your emotions properly. Don't try to speak on law. Please stick to slandering on Twitter.
arin2016 [#57]This is a nonsensical reply. You're avoiding mentioning anything related to what I said about the OF or the lack of proof. It's because you clearly have no argument other than the "empathy" one.
And about "empathy", if you had even a hint of empathy then you wouldn't be saying all this. There is nothing wrong with be empathetic, but you're being empathetic out of an agenda. Empathy goes both ways. You feel bad about the girl but the guy who's life will be destroyed, you don't care about him, in a situation where either of them could be lying. That speaks volumes on your "empathy"
And on this very website, I've conversed with someone about rape. And I can show receipts right now, clearly proving how much I take that crime seriously. This finger pointing of "but you're not that, you're not this" will lead to nowhere. You know who you are and what you're trying to do. Just accept it, you've got an agenda. You don't care about logic or empathy, you only care about what's important to you, English major. You can't even control your emotions properly. Don't try to speak on law. Please stick to slandering on Twitter.
Im genuinely not a fan of sinatraa but these sinatraa haters have to be the most brainrotted individuals on the planet. They will clench onto a 10s audio clip as if their life depended on it.
At this point, why do you even care? This kid made dozens of posts using his entire will just to argue that sinatraa is a rapist. Why do people even care that much. Im not speaking for rapists here, its a serous and shitty crime but sitting on vlr and defending with your life when nothing is even proven against a guy that you dont even know with other people you also dont know on the internet has to be brain damage for me.
smthlikeyou11 [#53]masters in english and u start ur sentence calling people personal insults to get ur point across-wow really shows ur point mate
u can form whatever opinion u want u can think the sky is green and people would just think ur a dumbass- as much as u want it to be green, sky is blue.at the end of the day facts are facts and the fact is that hes innocent, u cant change that or u can continue to live in denial, sinatraa is innocent and will NEVER be put behind bars at least for this incident specifically
innocent =/= not proven guilty
nt tho
BUFF163 [#55]he left vision strikers in 2021
VS was bought out by DRX, the entire roster and their achievements. So sometimes when they count years in the team, mostly its counting the VS era as well.
smthlikeyou11 [#52]recording is a 10 second clip thats out of context mate
and yes innocent = not guilty thats the entire concept of innocent until proven guilty lmfao
who r u to tell me how the justice system works?
do you realize that the justice system rules individuals to be guilty if there is no way a reasonable person could have doubts they were guilty, not whether a reasonable person finds them more likely to be guilty than not? so just because a case does not meet that threshold and an individual is ruled "not guilty", it does not therefore mean they must be innocent, it means there is some degree, however minor, of doubt regarding their guilt that means they could not find him guilty. that is what "not guilty" means, it does not mean "the case found he was provably innocent!"
there is no shot you just said that is the entire concept of innocent until proven guilty LMAO tell me you have never taken a law class without telling me you've never taken a law class
finnwithtwons [#43]innocent =/= not proven guilty
really simple concept mate
also there is a whole ass recording, so lmk how that goes for proof for you
"not guilty doesn't mean innocent so that means it's perfectly acceptable to treat him as if he's guilty"
Aayan [#54]they should form their own opinions
proceeds to call him a 'dumb sack of shit' for having his own opinion
It's not wrong to have your opinion be 'innocent until proven guilty'
i didn't say anywhere that it is objectively wrong to believe, personally, that all individuals accused of a crime are innocent until proven guilty
i said that it is wrong to prescribe that requirement to public opinion, and there is no functional basis to applying that to ones' personal opinion
and i called him a dumb sack of shit, correctly, for incorrectly making that prescription without basis
the only basis for doing it is if you can't think critically enough to realize there is a difference between the requirement set for how the justice system must treat the accused and how the public can in the comfort of their own home. it is just a very simple-minded way of thinking about it by latching onto a catchphrase without understanding, in depth, what it actually means
yellow_donkey [#60]VS was bought out by DRX, the entire roster and their achievements. So sometimes when they count years in the team, mostly its counting the VS era as well.
cope
finnwithtwons [#61]do you realize that the justice system rules individuals to be guilty if there is no way a reasonable person could have doubts they were guilty, not whether a reasonable person finds them more likely to be guilty than not? so just because a case does not meet that threshold and an individual is ruled "not guilty", it does not therefore mean they must be innocent, it means there is some degree, however minor, of doubt regarding their guilt that means they could not find him guilty. that is what "not guilty" means, it does not mean "the case found he was provably innocent!"
there is no shot you just said that is the entire concept of innocent until proven guilty LMAO tell me you have never taken a law class without telling me you've never taken a law class
ive taken law 12 back when i was in grade 11
u missed my point tho and completely ignored my point that by law he is innocent
obviously theres still a chance that he did it, can we prove it? no. so therefore he is ruled innocent by inconclusive evidence
and ah yes lets just label him as a rapist because my detective self tells me the evidence points to it even though he is not proven guilty!!!
finnwithtwons [#19]just see too many braindead sinatraa fanboys on here, dude is so cringe and also just straight up raped someone which everyone has collectively turned a blind eye to
u just prooved to be just as braindead as these fanboys
BUFF163 [#73]cope, it's VS not DRX
pfft im just giving you a heads up because that's how the media and stat keepers count, its just how things work, like NAVI and ex-FPX roster. no more corndog for you for not even listening and saying 'cope' like a jail free card. noooo corndog.
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