there is a 90% chance TenZ leaves SEN

SEN won’t be able to afford his contract (that must be absolutely ridiculous right now) and TenZ has been giving off signs of his fatigue playing for the same org the past four years, it’s highly likely he’ll decide to spread his wings with a bombshell of a move.

I get that there’s a bunch of SEN fans who are in complete denial to this movie because “it wouldn’t make sense” even though it definitely would? SEN is NOWHERE NEAR being the most profitable NA org, they’ve been draining their money the past two years by losing 8+ million in 2022, the 4-5 months news in 2023, and now (hopefully) they managed to at least break somewhere close to even for this year.

If TenZ decides to stay, it’ll purely be for his loyalty for the org (lol). Objectively speaking, hes gone.

0/8

whos a more profitable NA org? cant think of another one that is close to sen

where would he go? back to c9 maybe

SEN won’t be able to afford his contract

Mf do you know how much money they made off bundles this year? This was probably one of their best years yet

cobalt21312 [#3]

whos a more profitable NA org? cant think of another one that is close to sen

probably G2 have the most cash, I guess NRG as well

cobalt21312 [#3]

whos a more profitable NA org? cant think of another one that is close to sen

NRG, C9, 100T, TSM, etc

these orgs all hold more value than SEN, and are capable of outbidding (except TSM here of course)

Nef0r0 [#6]

probably G2 have the most cash, I guess NRG as well

NRG has the most cash but needs Chet to pay buyouts, idk abt that

Also they had terrible bundle sales

Laundry [#5]

SEN won’t be able to afford his contract

Mf do you know how much money they made off bundles this year? This was probably one of their best years yet

most of the bundles money isn't a profit no? More like sustaining the cash

Nef0r0 [#6]

probably G2 have the most cash, I guess NRG as well

i guess

Nef0r0 [#6]

probably G2 have the most cash, I guess NRG as well

g2 isnt dropping anyone i think

meanie [#7]

NRG, C9, 100T, TSM, etc

these orgs all hold more value than SEN, and are capable of outbidding (except TSM here of course)

100t isnt dropping anyone, tsm isnt even t1

nrg and c9 are possible i suppose

Nef0r0 [#9]

most of the bundles money isn't a profit no? More like sustaining the cash

when u make millions from a ksin bundle u have to be pretty well off

meanie [#7]

NRG, C9, 100T, TSM, etc

these orgs all hold more value than SEN, and are capable of outbidding (except TSM here of course)

C9 and TSM has to be a joke
100t and NRG have money but it would cost them a majority of their budget

Laundry [#8]

NRG has the most cash but needs Chet to pay buyouts, idk abt that

Also they had terrible bundle sales

nice org choice by Riot I guess,
EG - almost dead
C9 - losing sponsorship
100T - has nadeshot having an hour long talk on how much money 100T lost
NRG - buyouts paid by coaches
SeN - needed cash injections
G2 - limited time slot

i cant see him out of Sen. If he leaves, he retires. He has a big name, but idk if worth that much as a player.

thenutoriousPRO [#11]

g2 isnt dropping anyone i think

Tenz is one of those players where you just go for them if they are available

babi [#14]

C9 and TSM has to be a joke
100t and NRG have money but it would cost them a majority of their budget

question: do you seriously think SEN, the org that has really only made profits from a single esport, is richer than C9? Just because C9 has been cutting costs in their last few rosters doesn’t mean they’re a more broke org, they have the money to swipe TenZ from SEN if they’re willing to

thenutoriousPRO [#13]

when u make millions from a ksin bundle u have to be pretty well off

is there a public figure somewhere?

ValAnalist [#16]

i cant see him out of Sen. If he leaves, he retires. He has a big name, but idk if worth that much as a player.

I don't like SEN but he is better than all of Brazil tbf.

That's what I've been saying. SEN has been trying desperately to move the limelight away from TenZ. They are trying to make zellsis the poster boy. All the signs are there.

Nef0r0 [#17]

Tenz is one of those players where you just go for them if they are available

we're not in 2020 my guy 😹

Rey55 [#21]

That's what I've been saying. SEN has been trying desperately to move the limelight away from TenZ. They are trying to make zellsis the poster boy. All the signs are there.

a bit too subliminal there bro

Nef0r0 [#17]

Tenz is one of those players where you just go for them if they are available

no?

meanie [#24]

no?

I mean it's not aspas level of liquidity, but I am sure there will be buyers

meanie [#23]

a bit too subliminal there bro

wdym? I have real evidence of SEN trying to distance themselves from tenz

fuck it. making tihs a post

Laundry [#8]

NRG has the most cash but needs Chet to pay buyouts, idk abt that

Also they had terrible bundle sales

with the lcs closing and merging with latam/brasil. NRG is getting a fat check from riot/saving money from league of legends because the wont continue in league i believe. NRG is the most profitable org in NA VAL atm. i wouldn't consider G2 NA org really most of they money comes from sponserships in eu for their cs roster. They are very profitable and have money.

Nef0r0 [#15]

nice org choice by Riot I guess,
EG - almost dead
C9 - losing sponsorship
100T - has nadeshot having an hour long talk on how much money 100T lost
NRG - buyouts paid by coaches
SeN - needed cash injections
G2 - limited time slot

or maybe esports just isnt very profitable and is kind of dying?? how is that on riot lol

Nef0r0 [#25]

I mean it's not aspas level of liquidity, but I am sure there will be buyers

bleed tenz

thenutoriousPRO [#29]

or maybe esports just isnt very profitable and is kind of dying?? how is that on riot lol

I mean I didn't see similar messages coming from EMEA orgs, so maybe someone just overinflated on expenses?

Rey55 [#20]

I don't like SEN but he is better than all of Brazil tbf.

rood clears him

SEN just got top 4 at champs and they won a trophy, they're loaded with money

h1gh_fall [#32]

rood clears him

frood can't even clear gMd!

Rey55 [#20]

I don't like SEN but he is better than all of Brazil tbf.

what you talking about? you don't like Tenz? is that what you want say? Pancada and Tuyz are better controllers than him. Just facts. He only play Omen as a controller, how this is good for the team? And I'm talking about performance/price. If you have to make a team, why would you put Tenz who is very expensive if you could chose other names way cheaper who can put similar performance? Tenz is good for make the org famous.. But as a pro, he is too expensive for his performance. that's it.

ValAnalist [#35]

what you talking about? you don't like Tenz? is that what you want say? Pancada and Tuyz are better controllers than him. Just facts. He only play Omen as a controller, how this is good for the team? And I'm talking about performance/price. If you have to make a team, why would you put Tenz who is very expensive if you could chose other names way cheaper who can put similar performance? Tenz is good for make the org famous.. But as a pro, he is too expensive for his performance. that's it.

Okay let's not get so mad. All the players you named, none of them have 2 masters trophy and 1 regional trophy. They are only rated by Brazilians. No one outside of Brazil rate them. I am just being honest bro.

Rey55 [#34]

frood can't even clear gMd!

tenz gets cleared by both

Rey55 [#36]

Okay let's not get so mad. All the players you named, none of them have 2 masters trophy and 1 regional trophy. They are only rated by Brazilians. No one outside of Brazil rate them. I am just being honest bro.

bro did you begin to watch valorant yesterday? tuyz won americas, pancada won champions, but you're right about no one outside brazil rating them, for some reason everyone is acting like pancada is shit now, even though he's still in form, just wait for next season...

h1gh_fall [#38]

bro did you begin to watch valorant yesterday? tuyz won americas, pancada won champions, but you're right about no one outside brazil rating them, for some reason everyone is acting like pancada is shit now, even though he's still in form, just wait for next season...

they are not bad but they also don't have sacy on their team throwing all the games. They are good but not better than tenz, boo, mako, Boaster, karon, valyn etc

You all are so obsessed with Tenz and Sentinels… wow

Rey55 [#36]

Okay let's not get so mad. All the players you named, none of them have 2 masters trophy and 1 regional trophy. They are only rated by Brazilians. No one outside of Brazil rate them. I am just being honest bro.

This dont make any sense. So Sacy can replace Leo in Fnatic since he has masters and Champions...
I'm not mad with you, but i don't understand why people don't understand Tenz situation. He is a good player? of course, he has tier s aim, so he always will make good plays. But he has to improve some role. He plays flex, but this is only good for Sen, other teams will need him to play with more agents. If he want improve as controller, he needs play with Astra, Brim, Harbor. If he only plays with Omen, I'm sorry, but he is not a worth player. Sen S0m would be WAY better.

PokeKidMax [#33]

SEN just got top 4 at champs and they won a trophy, they're loaded with money

Respectfully, this isn’t a good argument

catNmouse [#42]

Respectfully, this isn’t a good argument

Argument still stands, no way Tenz in leaving Sentinels because Tenz IS Sentinels

Rey55 [#39]

they are not bad but they also don't have sacy on their team throwing all the games. They are good but not better than tenz, boo, mako, Boaster, karon, valyn etc

it's not like either of them could prove anything since loud couldn't organize their asses and ended up with no duelist for basically the entire year 😔

ValAnalist [#41]

This dont make any sense. So Sacy can replace Leo in Fnatic since he has masters and Champions...
I'm not mad with you, but i don't understand why people don't understand Tenz situation. He is a good player? of course, he has tier s aim, so he always will make good plays. But he has to improve some role. He plays flex, but this is only good for Sen, other teams will need him to play with more agents. If he want improve as controller, he needs play with Astra, Brim, Harbor. If he only plays with Omen, I'm sorry, but he is not a worth player. Sen S0m would be WAY better.

What are you waffling about bruv? He plays for SEN, why does he need to be better for other teams? Please, don't put leo and Sacy in the same sentence. It's hella disrespectful to Leo Jannesson

sideshowsbaldhead [#2]

0/8

4/8
hes somehow convinced a good amount of people

Rey55 [#45]

What are you waffling about bruv? He plays for SEN, why does he need to be better for other teams? Please, don't put leo and Sacy in the same sentence. It's hella disrespectful to Leo Jannesson

mtfk dou you even understand english? This post is about Tenz leave Sen, and my comment was about if he leaves Sen, idk if other team would like to have him.
And I'm using you dumb shit logic about the player is better than other because he has more important trophies.

ValAnalist [#47]

mtfk dou you even understand english? This post is about Tenz leave Sen, and my comment was about if he leaves Sen, idk if other team would like to have him.
And I'm using you dumb shit logic about the player is better than other because he has more important trophies.

I don't understand why you are getting angry when I am speaking the truth. It's okay I understand that Brazilians are biased and defensive about their own. Aspas can't play anything but duelists. pANacad couldn't play senti on SEN. It's so cringe of you to make the flexibilty argument about a player that can play duelists, controller and initiators. Like are you a bit slow in the head? lol

h1gh_fall [#44]

it's not like either of them could prove anything since loud couldn't organize their asses and ended up with no duelist for basically the entire year 😔

Same can be said for SEN tbh. They played the whole year with no scan initiator basically

Nef0r0 [#31]

I mean I didn't see similar messages coming from EMEA orgs, so maybe someone just overinflated on expenses?

its been stated fairly that Emea does not pay half as generously as americas does

WhoseTao [#50]

its been stated fairly that Emea does not pay half as generously as americas does

maybe it has now lead to EMEA orgs being more financially stable?

PokeKidMax [#43]

Argument still stands, no way Tenz in leaving Sentinels because Tenz IS Sentinels

EG got top 2 at tokyo and won champs, they’re loaded with money surely, right?

Nef0r0 [#51]

maybe it has now lead to EMEA orgs being more financially stable?

yep and that amea orgs from cs just tend to be healthier

Rey55 [#48]

I don't understand why you are getting angry when I am speaking the truth. It's okay I understand that Brazilians are biased and defensive about their own. Aspas can't play anything but duelists. pANacad couldn't play senti on SEN. It's so cringe of you to make the flexibilty argument about a player that can play duelists, controller and initiators. Like are you a bit slow in the head? lol

Bro.. idk, maybe my english is too broke to you understand. Or you are just dumb. Im literally saying to Tenz pick a role and master her. If he wants be a controller, start training with the other controllers. He only plays Omen, this isnt good for a team.

WhoseTao [#53]

yep and that amea orgs from cs just tend to be healthier

I mean not all of them, you still have your heroic ( who needed new owners), astralis (who had like 3 years in a row in the red) etc. maybe this bullshit from na orgs might lead to a collapse in the ecosystem

cobalt21312 [#3]

whos a more profitable NA org? cant think of another one that is close to sen

There are absolutely 0 profitable esports orgs.

catNmouse [#52]

EG got top 2 at tokyo and won champs, they’re loaded with money surely, right?

they are lol

catNmouse [#52]

EG got top 2 at tokyo and won champs, they’re loaded with money surely, right?

EG just wasn't giving the players the salaries they deserve, when you're paying for a world class roster like that it'll take a ton but SEN are also making more money than EG through bundle sales, merch, youtube, etc

sideshowsbaldhead [#2]

0/8

7/8 almost convinced me ngl