For SEN to remove him from the team. Currently TenZ is playing at the peak of T1 and is one of the best players itw. He is also the face of valorant, and has the biggest fanbase out of every player. So this begs the question how badly he would have to perform for him to be cut from the roster (this is assuming Tenz doesnt step down himself). My bet is he would have to be consistently be putting up Boaster/FNS level numbers for a whole season.
Thoughts?
Laundry [#2]I’d say worse than that honestly. Sen doesn’t do better with more wins, they make their money off bundles and content, which TenZ helps with tremendously
edit: guys cmon wth we don't gotta be this mean to eachother
and actually winning matches helps tremendously with making money
Aayan [#3]I would say 2 seasons of that kinda performance, maybe 3 max
actually scratch that, 3 seasons 4 max I just remembered SEN (not TenZ specifically) in 22/23
but honestly I don't think it's really probable for him to have such a dip for that long. He's only 23 so I think he has a good 3-4 years in him at least
Aayan [#6]actually scratch that, 3 seasons 4 max I just remembered SEN (not TenZ specifically) in 22/23
but honestly I don't think it's really probable for him to have such a dip for that long. He's only 23 so I think he has a good 3-4 years in him at least
He wasn't even that bad in 22. He just had a horrible team while not playing his comfort role. 23 was also a shit year for SEN but he was doing so braindead plays icl.
meanie [#5]and actually winning matches helps tremendously with making money
Personally I’d argue that having TenZ helps with the money making tremendously more than winning matches does
Laundry [#8]Personally I’d argue that having TenZ helps with the money making tremendously more than winning matches does
then you are stupid, TenZ is replaceable, he isn’t someone like Faker lol. Winning is very obviously a more important factor than keeping TenZ.
meanie [#12]then you are stupid, TenZ is replaceable, he isn’t someone like Faker lol. Winning is very obviously a more important factor than keeping TenZ.
Yea no buddy 💀 He has more impact for SEN, an example of someone doing so shit but they are so beloved in the team culture they stay is Boaster, and TenZ is 10x more important in comparison
CanadianLegend [#13]Yea no buddy 💀 He has more impact for SEN, an example of someone doing so shit but they are so beloved in the team culture they stay is Boaster, and TenZ is 10x more important in comparison
he is replaceable in the event that he actually does become shit, but that has never been the case so far. SEN would always value winning over keeping TenZ and idk how you’re in denial about this fact.
meanie [#14]he is replaceable in the event that he actually does become shit, but that has never been the case so far. SEN would always value winning over keeping TenZ and idk how you’re in denial about this fact.
Orgs favour money and income before trophies
Nef0r0 [#15]Orgs favour money and income before trophies
And those trophies would rake in money and income retard, why do you think SEN were still the biggest NA org heading into 2024? It’s because they were still living off of their early success in 2020 and 2021. This isn’t rocket science.
meanie [#16]And those trophies would rake in money and income retard, why do you think SEN were still the biggest NA org heading into 2024? It’s because they were still living off of their early success in 2020 and 2021. This isn’t rocket science.
You call people retards before logically assuming that Bundles and Sponsors, which are two things independent of results being more money than winning. And also define BIGGEST org. If you bring up some Net Worth price, then it's based on how marketable the team is, not how Good it is
Nef0r0 [#17]You call people retards before logically assuming that Bundles and Sponsors, which are two things independent of results being more money than winning. And also define BIGGEST org. If you bring up some Net Worth price, then it's based on how marketable the team is, not how Good it is
That meanie guy is a weird guy who lives on VLR 24/7and calls others slurs and makes fun of demon1's fiancé's condition. Don't listen to that incels comments. He feeds off u giving him attention XD
Nef0r0 [#17]You call people retards before logically assuming that Bundles and Sponsors, which are two things independent of results being more money than winning. And also define BIGGEST org. If you bring up some Net Worth price, then it's based on how marketable the team is, not how Good it is
and you don’t believe any of that would correlate to a team’s success ingame? Lol
SunnyFromVLR [#18]That meanie guy is a weird guy who lives on VLR 24/7and calls others slurs and makes fun of demon1's fiancé's condition. Don't listen to that incels comments. He feeds off u giving him attention XD
I mean I would do at least some basic search before being so confident in what I am posting :D
SunnyFromVLR [#18]That meanie guy is a weird guy who lives on VLR 24/7and calls others slurs and makes fun of demon1's fiancé's condition. Don't listen to that incels comments. He feeds off u giving him attention XD
https://www.vlr.gg/401738/n4rrate-to-sentinels-thoughts #51 that was actually you sunny!!! haha
meanie [#19]and you don’t believe any of that would correlate to a team’s success ingame? Lol
It doesn't have to. G2 are probably the most marketable org across all esports yet in no sport are they actually top 1. Possible sponsors look at how marketable the players are, how popular the org already is. Team popularity is mostly based on its players, If the entire fnatic team decided to join navi, then fnatic would lose 95% of their fanbase. Same would happen to sentinels, if tenz were to leave for let's say NRG then NRG would get his fanbase. Making a winnable team and giving them salaries takes a lot of resources and effort, just being good enough and hype brings more and with less resources
Nef0r0 [#20]I mean I would do at least some basic search before being so confident in what I am posting :D
yeah nah ur the goat, I completely agree with you
Nef0r0 [#22]It doesn't have to. G2 are probably the most marketable org across all esports yet in no sport are they actually top 1. Possible sponsors look at how marketable the players are, how popular the org already is. Team popularity is mostly based on its players, If the entire fnatic team decided to join navi, then fnatic would lose 95% of their fanbase. Same would happen to sentinels, if tenz were to leave for let's say NRG then NRG would get his fanbase. Making a winnable team and giving them salaries takes a lot of resources and effort, just being good enough and hype brings more and with less resources
ok if you’re using G2 to prove your example then you have genuinely no idea what you’re talking about. The same G2 that’s the greatest European org in LoL? The same G2 that exists in CSGO who’ve raked in 5 mill in winnings? Bro what???
meanie [#24]ok if you’re using G2 to prove your example then you have genuinely no idea what you’re talking about. The same G2 that’s the greatest European org in LoL? The same G2 that exists in CSGO who’ve raked in 5 mill in winnings? Bro what???
EU isn't nearly the biggest region in LoL, and G2 are 7th in CS earnings, without any majors won and only 1 final appearance . Like G2 have no Worlds and Majors to their name, they aren't nearly at the pinnacle of CS when it comes to trophies yet they are the biggest clout org. That's why no matter how many Worlds T1 wins or how many Majors navi gets, G2 will be the bigger org
Nef0r0 [#25]EU isn't nearly the biggest region in LoL, and G2 are 7th in CS earnings, without any majors won and only 1 final appearance . Like G2 have no Worlds and Majors to their name, they aren't nearly at the pinnacle of CS when it comes to trophies yet they are the biggest clout org. That's why no matter how many Worlds T1 wins or how many Majors navi gets, G2 will be the bigger org
oh my god you are in complete denial right now. Do you have any idea how big EU is about LoL and how big the LEC is and used to be? Do you seriously think 7th in CS earnings isn’t nothing special? You DO realize G2 won a shit ton of big tournaments to actually rake in all of that money right?
Your entire argument is that “if G2 wasn’t at some point top 1 in their game, then they were never successful” which is genuinely retarded. What makes it worse is that you’re straight up wrong too, G2 won MSI in 2019, an EU team at some point was the best team in LoL for the first time since 2011.
meanie [#26]oh my god you are in complete denial right now. Do you have any idea how big EU is about LoL and how big the LEC is and used to be? Do you seriously think 7th in CS earnings isn’t nothing special? You DO realize G2 won a shit ton of big tournaments to actually rake in all of that money right?
Your entire argument is that “if G2 wasn’t at some point top 1 in their game, then they were never successful” which is genuinely retarded. What makes it worse is that you’re straight up wrong too, G2 won MSI in 2019, an EU team at some point was the best team in LoL for the first time since 2011.
I aint reading allat but hes right and ur wrong, just accept it retard
SunnyFromVLR [#27]I aint reading allat but hes right and ur wrong, just accept it retard
still crying about me? XD
CanadianLegend [#13]Yea no buddy 💀 He has more impact for SEN, an example of someone doing so shit but they are so beloved in the team culture they stay is Boaster, and TenZ is 10x more important in comparison
No he doesn’t you have no clue what your talking about
SunnyFromVLR [#29]Just stop writing essays on VLR and focus on getting a job
is that what they teach you in Finland? :)
meanie [#26]oh my god you are in complete denial right now. Do you have any idea how big EU is about LoL and how big the LEC is and used to be? Do you seriously think 7th in CS earnings isn’t nothing special? You DO realize G2 won a shit ton of big tournaments to actually rake in all of that money right?
Your entire argument is that “if G2 wasn’t at some point top 1 in their game, then they were never successful” which is genuinely retarded. What makes it worse is that you’re straight up wrong too, G2 won MSI in 2019, an EU team at some point was the best team in LoL for the first time since 2011.
you're just flat out wrong. Sure esports team win money from big tournaments but a majority of their money comes through sponsorships and merch
hdeqth [#32]you're just flat out wrong. Sure esports team win money from big tournaments but a majority of their money comes through sponsorships and merch
which all correlate to how successful an org is in esports! wooow!!!
hdeqth [#32]you're just flat out wrong. Sure esports team win money from big tournaments but a majority of their money comes through sponsorships and merch
his tiny NA brain doesnt have the space to comprehend it sadly XD
SunnyFromVLR [#34]his tiny NA brain doesnt have the space to comprehend it sadly XD
you’re replying to a Canadian Sunny! you can keep crying about me though that’s cool :)
meanie [#35]you’re replying to a Canadian Sunny! you can keep crying about me though that’s cool :)
Im talking about you
SunnyFromVLR [#36]Im talking about you
hdeqth is Canadian though? is this your retard thing at work here? :(
meanie [#37]hdeqth is Canadian though? is this your retard thing at work here? :(
Shit talking doesn't help you. If anything you already lost the argument
hdeqth [#38]Shit talking doesn't help you. If anything you already lost the argument
the argument that suddenly now has something to do with you being called an American wannabe?
meanie [#39]the argument that suddenly now has something to do with you being called an American wannabe?
no with you not knowing how orgs rake in the majority of their money
he’d have to be pretty fucking bad, honestly
the only point in which he was the worst player on sentinels was the early iteration of sen 2023, where he was still the main duelist, and even then he switched to becoming a full-time flex and has since found his form again
unless his performance drastically drops from what it is now, he probably won’t be removed from the starting roster for a while. even then, he’ll likely end up as a streamer and then eventually a co-owner, since he is of course the face of sentinels itself
meanie [#12]then you are stupid, TenZ is replaceable, he isn’t someone like Faker lol. Winning is very obviously a more important factor than keeping TenZ.
How do you guarantee wins by replacing literally one of the best players itw? Are you even a SEN fan? Show me 1 replacement that GUARANTEES winning everything
meanie [#12]then you are stupid, TenZ is replaceable, he isn’t someone like Faker lol. Winning is very obviously a more important factor than keeping TenZ.
Looks like you're a new SEN fan. Were you not around when TenZ got benched? SEN almost lost its whole fanbase.
nihso [#7]He wasn't even that bad in 22. He just had a horrible team while not playing his comfort role. 23 was also a shit year for SEN but he was doing so braindead plays icl.
He literally had only 2 bad series in all of 23 and people make it seem like it was the worst stint of a valorant pro ever! Ig this is what happens when you're tenz and everyone and sideshow hates you.
TenZ will be the first person to move away if it comes down to that so you don't have to worry. Remember even in 2021 when an interviewer asked him if he was the best he ignored that question. In 2023, when he was having mental and physical health problems he moved himself away. yay goes around doing interviews about how his past teams fked him up, how his teammates were all terrible and people shows him pity for it but I've never seen tenz do that even when SEN were doing the most r3tarded things ever. He is his own harshest critic.
Jedeco [#43]Looks like you're a new SEN fan. Were you not around when TenZ got benched? SEN almost lost its whole fanbase.
Because he wasn’t the problem, my scenario only applies if he obviously is, hope this helps
meanie [#12]then you are stupid, TenZ is replaceable, he isn’t someone like Faker lol. Winning is very obviously a more important factor than keeping TenZ.
not really. The reason SEN is so loved is cause of TenZ and Tarik. They literally have the face of Competetive valorant and the Face of Valorant Content Creation on the same org. Winning matches is just a bonus.
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