I love nAts viper, his molly lineups are insane and his aggressive plays with his orb.
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Anoymouse [#7]one word: Cove
#MVGA #MAKEVLRGREATAGAIN
please use your critical thinking skills and realize that viper does not have a cove
Hades_Loves_Rb [#9]please use your critical thinking skills and realize that viper does not have a cove
ok??
I am just telling him about the incident that happened
hop off my dick the fuck???
#MVGA #MAKEVLRGREATAGAIN
sentinelmain377 [#16]Less clears n0ts. n0ts only cares about TL salary and not winning kekw
edit: I say this someone that got interested in VCT when watching god nAts. Current n0ts is so bad, it is making me say bad stuff about my 2nd favorite player (after Ange1W of course)
Peak wise nats is the best viper since he revolutionized a lot of viper plays
number1_cned_hater [#17]Peak wise nats is the best viper since he revolutionized a lot of viper plays
Peak Nats's (Gambit Era) lurks would get shut down in a swiftplay today
Yuh_aye [#19]Peak Nats's (Gambit Era) lurks would get shut down in a swiftplay today
You really don't know shit
number1_cned_hater [#20]You really don't know shit
you think people just completely give up B these days to the point you can literally just walk up and take rope like this?
Anoymouse [#15]ok??
I am just telling him about the incident that happened
hop off my dick the fuck???
#MVGA #MAKEVLRGREATAGAIN
loud is finished, u can take the flair off now
dort [#23]loud is finished, u can take the flair off now
u gotta stop with the irony
#MVGA #MAKEVLRGREATAGAIN
number1_cned_hater [#20]You really don't know shit
The last time Nats won an international match - 0.66 on viper, worst rated player on that map and throughout the series
Last time he played an international match - 0.56 on viper, worst rated player on that map
Most recent stage Nats played (EMEA Stage 2 2024) - Not even a top 5 viper regionally
Sure he's on a bad team and he's held back blah blah blah, but he's just objectively not the best viper player ever. The same way tenz isn't the best jett ever. This isn't the jurassic era of val anymore.
Yuh_aye [#27]The last time Nats won an international match - 0.66 on viper, worst rated player on that map and throughout the series
Last time he played an international match - 0.56 on viper, worst rated player on that map
Most recent stage Nats played (EMEA Stage 2 2024) - Not even a top 5 viper regionally
Sure he's on a bad team and he's held back blah blah blah, but he's just objectively not the best viper player ever. The same way tenz isn't the best jett ever. This isn't the jurassic era of val anymore.
Notice how I am talking about his "peak" just wanted to let u know!
number1_cned_hater [#28]Notice how I am talking about his "peak" just wanted to let u know!
i could accept that, as long as ur not trying to imply that that makes him the best viper ever (literally the title of the post), because that's not true for the same reason tenz isn't the best jett player
Yuh_aye [#27]The last time Nats won an international match - 0.66 on viper, worst rated player on that map and throughout the series
Last time he played an international match - 0.56 on viper, worst rated player on that map
Most recent stage Nats played (EMEA Stage 2 2024) - Not even a top 5 viper regionally
Sure he's on a bad team and he's held back blah blah blah, but he's just objectively not the best viper player ever. The same way tenz isn't the best jett ever. This isn't the jurassic era of val anymore.
I won't comment on the argument for best Viper oat since I don't think he is
but I think you're cherrypicking your stats to make him look even worse than he actually is
I'll show you, I can cherrypick all of his wins, and if you only count these (barring 1) he looks a lot better than he is.
The truth is he is somewhere in the middle
https://www.vlr.gg/353169/team-liquid-vs-karmine-corp-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-2-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/318940/team-liquid-vs-gentle-mates-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w5
https://www.vlr.gg/318928/team-liquid-vs-giantx-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w3 (low)
https://www.vlr.gg/318913/koi-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w1
https://www.vlr.gg/297407/team-liquid-vs-koi-champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff-opening-b
Aayan [#30]I won't comment on the argument for best Viper oat since I don't think he is
but I think you're cherrypicking your stats to make him look even worse than he actually is
I'll show you, I can cherrypick all of his wins, and if you only count these (barring 1) he looks a lot better than he is.
The truth is he is somewhere in the middlehttps://www.vlr.gg/353169/team-liquid-vs-karmine-corp-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-2-w3
https://www.vlr.gg/318940/team-liquid-vs-gentle-mates-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w5
https://www.vlr.gg/318928/team-liquid-vs-giantx-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w3 (low)
https://www.vlr.gg/318913/koi-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w1
https://www.vlr.gg/297407/team-liquid-vs-koi-champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff-opening-b
his last international win, game, and literally most recent showing isn't cherrypicking, those are pretty relevant points in time.
anyways tho
Stage 2 2024- not a top 5 viper regionally
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2094/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-2?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper
Stage 1 2024 - 3rd regionally
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1998/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper
2024 Kickoff - 5th regionally (only 3 games tho so take that how you will)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper
Champs 2023 - 3rd internationally (but only played 2 games and got grouped, 1st btw is Less )
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1657/valorant-champions-2023?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper
Masters Tokyo - not a top 5 viper internationally (or even close, only 3 game but still)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1494/champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper
EMEA League 2023 - not a top 5 viper regionally
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1190/champions-tour-2023-emea-league?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper
Thats the last 2 years
- Yes stats don't tell the whole story
- Yes I believe he's better than some of the people statistically better than him
- Yes some of it can be blamed on liquid being liquid
But I'm not cherrypicking or hating on the guy, he just isn't the best viper ever
Yuh_aye [#32]his last international win, game, and literally most recent showing isn't cherrypicking, those are pretty relevant points in time.
anyways tho
Stage 2 2024- not a top 5 viper regionally
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2094/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-2?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viperStage 1 2024 - 3rd regionally
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1998/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viper2024 Kickoff - 5th regionally (only 3 games tho so take that how you will)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viperChamps 2023 - 3rd internationally (but only played 2 games and got grouped, 1st btw is Less )
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1657/valorant-champions-2023?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viperMasters Tokyo - not a top 5 viper internationally (or even close, only 3 game but still)
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1494/champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viperEMEA League 2023 - not a top 5 viper regionally
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1190/champions-tour-2023-emea-league?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=viperThats the last 2 years
- Yes stats don't tell the whole story
- Yes I believe he's better than some of the people statistically better than him
- Yes some of it can be blamed on liquid being liquid
But I'm not cherrypicking or hating on the guy, he just isn't the best viper ever
Stage 2 2024- not a top 5 viper regionally
fair
Stage 1 2024
3rd
2024 Kickoff, Champs 2023, Masters Tokyo
small sample size (so will exclude both good and bad)
EMEA League 2023
trexx and mojj both have under 30 rounds played
However I agree, on the last 3 bullet points and your conclusion. I think he is at least top 5 (top 3 if im feeling generous) considering he's still a valuable player in tier 1. The main thing I just wanted to point out is that stats don't reflect that he's a pretty consistent player if you adjust for his teams performance
Alge [#33]Mistic molly vs sentinels lives rent free in my mind
fnc mistic flash vs fnc lives rent free in my mind
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