TL vs ForZe, a game which the team lost will not get to participate in Berlin (high stake game): 25k viewers
ENCE vs Team Spirit: low stake Group stage game: 55k viewers
once again, without SEN (and big NA brand team to some extent like 100T), Valorant competitive viewership is bad.
It is a 'casual' game, you get plenty of streamers playing casually with good views, but for competitive scene, there is just so little interest in team that is not SEN and 100T
schlong [#3]Do u guys take a shower in the morning or evening?
Generally after workouts (evenings)
If I'm on rest day then mornings
kocunar [#8]Its 80k with all the streams and it only just started, su cringelord
where u getting 80k viewers from?
TinglyPiano [#10]where u getting 80k viewers from?
Official stream+BBL owner+ Spanish stream+Jonas+TR stream+ Ru stream +10K from YT. Also, this is a qualifier and Forze is not a big team.
TinglyPiano [#10]where u getting 80k viewers from?
you need to combine all of the streams since many people watch watch parties instead of main stream
This should be common sense ig
6vine [#14]Official stream+BBL owner+ Spanish stream+Jonas+TR stream+ Ru stream +10K from YT. Also, this is a qualifier and Forze is not a big team.
this is not a qualifier, this is Challengers3. Are we really saying everything is qualifier nowadays? Like this 'qualifier' excuse is getting old, there is only 3 real tournament the whole year by your logic, and teams can't expect to sustain if they are getting these 'qualifier' viewership.
That's like saying the whole of premier league is just qualifier for champions league. Absurd
LouBag [#19]153k people watching Valorant on twitch alone.
Pretty good if you ask me.
read the post, I am saying it is a good casual streaming game, plenty watch streamers play. But there is not enough competitive interest with how popular this game is
Kilobyte [#17]you need to combine all of the streams since many people watch watch parties instead of main stream
This should be common sense ig
I am not counting the sub stream, if you count the substream, ENCE vs Team Spirit has another 50k+ viewers as well
Estiggma [#22]eu is dead region, there is nothing more to explain
true, but kinda sad.
as long as competitive CSGO is popular in EU, I dont see Valorant overtaking them in viewership for EU games
TinglyPiano [#18]this is not a qualifier, this is Challengers3. Are we really saying everything is qualifier nowadays? Like this 'qualifier' excuse is getting old, there is only 3 real tournament the whole year by your logic, and teams can't expect to sustain if they are getting these 'qualifier' viewership.
That's like saying the whole of premier league is just qualifier for champions league. Absurd
yes it is a qual. for masters. its not an excuse, masters and champions is the main pie, this is just a stepping stone.
TinglyPiano [#23]I am not counting the sub stream, if you count the substream, ENCE vs Team Spirit has another 50k+ viewers as well
who tf are those guys
TinglyPiano [#23]I am not counting the sub stream, if you count the substream, ENCE vs Team Spirit has another 50k+ viewers as well
and TL vs forze has about 101k combined
edit : also why cars , let the games have how much viewerships they have
Well if its only include the West then yes NA with Sentinels and 100T hard carry Valorant viewership. But in Asia recently, Japanese viewership number is also on the rise where nowadays the average viewership could be around 40k to 50k+ (including official watch parties) live viewers during the JP stage 3 playoff which is huge compare to the viewerships during stage 1 & 2.
6vine [#14]Official stream+BBL owner+ Spanish stream+Jonas+TR stream+ Ru stream +10K from YT. Also, this is a qualifier and Forze is not a big team.
You cant honestly say "this is a qualifier" and mean it. Saying that is almost the equivalent of saying a group stage is just the qualifier for the playoffs
hellaeleganceyeah [#25]yes it is a qual. for masters. its not an excuse, masters and champions is the main pie, this is just a stepping stone.
more like the last stepping stone, for some teams
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#7]dead game we should wrap it up before champions...
then why you at vlr lol
AlekSeb [#28]Do you compare an international ESL tournament with 750k in prize money to a regional qualifying tournament with only 100k usd ? ...............
in this instance this qualifier is more important, and ence and spirit have so small fan bases.
Estiggma [#22]eu is dead region, there is nothing more to explain
maybe because 99% of talent wants to be good in cs
AlekSeb [#28]Do you compare an international ESL tournament with 750k in prize money to a regional qualifying tournament with only 100k usd ? ...............
the fans dont care how big the prize money is. It is about who is playing
if valve majojr gives the winning team only 10k, there will still be more viewership than a 1m tourney
Stratos [#29]Well if its only include the West then yes NA with Sentinels and 100T hard carry Valorant viewership. But in Asia recently, Japanese viewership number is also on the rise where nowadays the average viewership could be around 40k to 50k+ (including official watch parties) live viewers during the JP stage 3 playoff which is huge compare to the viewerships during stage 1 & 2.
yes true, japan is a good suprise. Just feel let down by EU viewership that is all
Ibis [#30]Man stop crying every single match about viewership. Just enjoy the game and support your Team
well I am just worry for long term of the competitive scene.
If it keeps getting low attention and viewership, teams will leave the scene and there will just be less investment towards the game in general
TinglyPiano [#41]well I am just worry for long term of the competitive scene.
If it keeps getting low attention and viewership, teams will leave the scene and there will just be less investment towards the game in general
EU viewership will only rise when EU cs players switch to valorant
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ok, go to twitter for that ratio crap.
I am here trying to have a discussion, not asking for likes
TinglyPiano [#48]ok, go to twitter for that ratio crap.
I am here trying to have a discussion, not asking for likes
so mad KEKW!
Crayzid [#49]so mad KEKW!
yes I am literally raging right now at your 4*.
good thing the downfall of TSM keeps me sane at night
TinglyPiano [#50]yes I am literally raging right now at your 4*.
good thing the downfall of TSM keeps me sane at night
thats sad
kapteN [#32]Valorant just keeps fragmenting streams and typically streams in turkish etc get loads of viewers. I suppose many people aren't watching the main stream which they do in CS, for some reason.
well CS casting is always top notch, Valorant casting is hit and miss
ShiningTyGuy [#33]You cant honestly say "this is a qualifier" and mean it. Saying that is almost the equivalent of saying a group stage is just the qualifier for the playoffs
You’re technically qualifying for Masters lol. I get it’s called Challengers but it’s all regional. Now, if Masters has 25k then ok. That’s a whole different thing.
TinglyPiano [#39]the fans dont care how big the prize money is. It is about who is playing
if valve majojr gives the winning team only 10k, there will still be more viewership than a 1m tourney
It is important ?? Yes
People don't care about the prize pool? Yes
But you can't compare an international tournament with the best teams in the world, with a regional qualifier, compare it with the CS_summit 6 that had 155k viewers or the Flashpoint 3 that had 150k in the final
Compare the ESL Pro League playoffs to the Berlin Master to be fair....
schlong [#3]Do u guys take a shower in the morning or evening?
I dont take showers, i play valorant why would you ask that
At first, I thought that this TinglyPiano guy is someone smart. As time went by, he has proven the opposite; of how dumb he can be.
All his posts are 75% about viewership and the rest of 25% looking down on others. Who does he think he is?
Someone help him to move out from his momma basement and tell him there's a world outside.
schlong [#3]Do u guys take a shower in the morning or evening?
i’m trying to understand how ppl can wake up and do things without showering. like, have you not hit puberty yet? do you not experience puberty?
thighlove [#58]The forze is not an interesting team.
Lower bracket match.Some people have suggested that Europe is dead region. I will wait for them on August 20.
It's 54k viewers rn now just waiting for Guild vs Giants. The fact of the matter is Guild already rolled forze, and everyone expected Liquid to the same, which they did.
WitLitning [#57]i’m trying to understand how ppl can wake up and do things without showering. like, have you not hit puberty yet? do you not experience puberty?
Ye its gettin sweaty af sometimes
TinglyPiano [#21]read the post, I am saying it is a good casual streaming game, plenty watch streamers play. But there is not enough competitive interest with how popular this game is
What? Iceland 1.1 mil. NA playoffs 260k viewers. Masters potentially going to 1.5
Kilobyte [#27]and TL vs forze has about 101k combined
edit : also why cars , let the games have how much viewerships they have
everyone asks what cars, or why cars, but not HOW cars ;-;
ShiningTyGuy [#33]You cant honestly say "this is a qualifier" and mean it. Saying that is almost the equivalent of saying a group stage is just the qualifier for the playoffs
how is this not a qualifier. nobody gives a flying fuck about who wins the challengers playoffs if it didnt qual them for berlin. if the whole fun of watching this game is derived from who has the chance to make it to berlin or not (winner has a chance, loser is out of contention for berlin), then why isnt the identity of the game also derived from its standing as a qualifiers?
Glycoroldas [#15]Delusional to think that valorant is going to completely kill CS:GO tbh
it is but valve's recent changes only keep people playing the game in, and isn't trying to get new players to play the game. valve making it so that only prime members can play ranked and f2p accounts can't get prime anymore helps people who already have prime get less cheaters, but doesn't get more people into the game as they will instantly be put against cheaters and won't want to spend money on the game to only slighty reduce the number, especially now since they can play valorant without the cheaters
schlong [#3]Do u guys take a shower in the morning or evening?
always in the morning and again in the evening if I'm particularly sweaty
hellaeleganceyeah [#63]how is this not a qualifier. nobody gives a flying fuck about who wins the challengers playoffs if it didnt qual them for berlin. if the whole fun of watching this game is derived from who has the chance to make it to berlin or not (winner has a chance, loser is out of contention for berlin), then why isnt the identity of the game also derived from its standing as a qualifiers?
I'm not arguing that technically speaking its a qualifier. My argument is that it being a so called qualifier isn't why the viewer count is below some people standards. Its because EU is still dominated by the csgo scene. In NA, challenger playoffs is very popular, since it determines who goes to Berlin, and for stage 3, sealed some teams fate for the rest of the year. Maybe its just that they're are so many qualifiers (open and closed) just to get to this point that I struggle really calling this a qualifier (since the stakes are so high), even tho technically speaking it is. I mean for NA challenger playoffs is the top 8 teams, EMEA its the top 12. Plus people just say "its just a qualifier" which implies, to me at least, that the games aren't as important, which I guess could be argued that they aren't. People just use qualifier to loosely. IMO there's a HUGE difference between regional qualifiers and international qualifiers. IDK I guess people just have different perceptions on the figurative meaning behind the saying "its just a qualifier"
Psion [#64]it is but valve's recent changes only keep people playing the game in, and isn't trying to get new players to play the game. valve making it so that only prime members can play ranked and f2p accounts can't get prime anymore helps people who already have prime get less cheaters, but doesn't get more people into the game as they will instantly be put against cheaters and won't want to spend money on the game to only slighty reduce the number, especially now since they can play valorant without the cheaters
You raise fair points. To elaborate my thinking further, I don't think it's valorant that is going to be the nail in CS:GO's coffin(assuming Valve continues to do nothing about emerging competition in team based FPS), instead it will be CoD4 promod clone called ProMod(that is currently being developed by devs of Batallion 1944). The combo of ProMod and Valorant will be the hammer and the nail in CS:GO's impeding death(again, assuming that Valve does not release a new version of Counter Strike or leaves it be without a major revamp).
A lot of CS:GO people find Valorant's abilities to be unfair, but ProMod is literally CS:GO with the only addition of aim down the sight mechanic and a bit different style of movement. That game if successfully developed by batallion 1944 devs will be a much more direct competitor of CS:GO than valorant currently is.
schlong [#3]Do u guys take a shower in the morning or evening?
depends, if i have something to do today definitely in the morning, but if im off or just chilling then before i go to bed. helps me fall asleep
Saizaku [#59]It's 54k viewers rn now just waiting for Guild vs Giants. The fact of the matter is Guild already rolled forze, and everyone expected Liquid to the same, which they did.
Yeah rn its about 110k across Youtube and Twitch including allstreams which is pretty damn good for domestic matchup that is deciding 5/6th
forZe isn't a big team and everyone probably had a feeling that TL is winning anyways
NA has caught onto Valorant since its the FPS game where we have a chance to win, where other regions have a chance to win, and its not just an EU only show
EU still has CSGO, and I doubt that Valorant will grow as easily in EU as it has in NA
Glycoroldas [#67]You raise fair points. To elaborate my thinking further, I don't think it's valorant that is going to be the nail in CS:GO's coffin(assuming Valve continues to do nothing about emerging competition in team based FPS), instead it will be CoD4 promod clone called ProMod(that is currently being developed by devs of Batallion 1944). The combo of ProMod and Valorant will be the hammer and the nail in CS:GO's impeding death(again, assuming that Valve does not release a new version of Counter Strike or leaves it be without a major revamp).
A lot of CS:GO people find Valorant's abilities to be unfair, but ProMod is literally CS:GO with the only addition of aim down the sight mechanic and a bit different style of movement. That game if successfully developed by batallion 1944 devs will be a much more direct competitor of CS:GO than valorant currently is.
its also CoD so csgo players might just be like "Cod noob game" XD
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