- Mako (insane through 2022,2023, and 2024)
- Marved (could swap with pancada)
- Pancada
- Mindfreak
- Tuyz
Hm; tenz, S0m
FrenchToast [#2]controller players just hit different 😍
Ong literally everyone on this list is hot 🥵
Uncleben [#3]Ong literally everyone on this list is hot 🥵
it’s a prerequisite for smokes at this point
beyn, karon this year too 😍😍
FrenchToast [#4]it’s a prerequisite for smokes at this point
beyn, karon this year too 😍😍
Beyn is so fine 🥵
Average_NA_fan [#6]marved hot? OMEGALUL
he is soooo hot
bitches love ice man. it’s me, i’m bitches.
Julia_Boaskivisk [#10]
- Mako
- Pancada
- Tuyz
- Mindfreak
- Marved
i thought ur name was julia bolshevik lmfaoo
ZekaTheGoat [#11]Pancada is overrated. He peaked in one event and he wasn't even the best controller on that event. S0m clears.
Mako
-- MONUMENTAL GAP--
S0m
Marved
--MASSIVE GAP--
And then the rest
??????
i will not tolerate pancada slander
especially since he wasn’t even given a chance on controller in 2023. he was on senti for 99% of the time.
Julia_Boaskivisk [#10]
- Mako
- Pancada
- Tuyz
- Mindfreak
- Marved
Marved is more consistent than tuyz and Mindfreak imo, keep in mind tuyz only in tier 1 valo since 2023
ZekaTheGoat [#11]Pancada is overrated. He peaked in one event and he wasn't even the best controller on that event. S0m clears.
Mako
-- MONUMENTAL GAP--
S0m
Marved
--MASSIVE GAP--
And then the rest
Who was the best controller in 2023 champs then?
ZekaTheGoat [#17]Mako
Pancada cleared him in champs individually and his team won, idk how mako was better in champs lol
vey1212 [#19]If TenZ can make the top smokes of all time list by playing well for 2 months then Monyet should be able to too and if you are gonna argue that TenZ won a masters playing smokes the look at Redgar at masters berlin 2nd best astra at the whole event even above marved (minimum 100 rounds)
He is honorable mention for a reason bozo
Uncleben [#21]He is honorable mention for a reason bozo
How is he even HM? Do you even know what that means? But more importantly didn't your mom teach you how to be respectful. Mb missed the flag
Uncleben [#18]Pancada cleared him in champs individually and his team won, idk how mako was better in champs lol
Pancada wasn’t at 2023 champs fam
vey1212 [#25]How is he even HM? Do you even know what that means? But more importantly didn't your mom teach you how to be respectful. Mb missed the flag
Hm means honorable mention
Tenz was the second best player for sen at kickoff and at Madrid
Monyet’s best accomplishment was playing well in apac league (weaker than amer and Emea)
U might just be slow brotha
Uncleben [#29]Yeah my bad I meant 2022 champs
yea thats why that guy said mako. personally imo (judging from all their peaks) its probably marved pancada mako s0m tuyz. Marved and Pancada have won majors and even if you call either one of them flukes, they've been in the top 3 of more tournaments than mako has.
Hyopic [#32]yea thats why that guy said mako. personally imo (judging from all their peaks) its probably marved pancada mako s0m tuyz. Marved and Pancada have won majors and even if you call either one of them flukes, they've been in the top 3 of more tournaments than mako has.
The problem is the fact that both have had years in which they didn’t make any lans while mako has always performed and outperforms them even in events which they both play
Uncleben [#34]The problem is the fact that both have had years in which they didn’t make any lans while mako has always performed and outperforms them even in events which they both play
well yeah, marved was a sixth man in 2023 and pancada was on sentinel so even if sentinels made it to LANS both of them wouldn't have been good smokes players tbh. If marved was on NRG they would have still made it to tokyo and champs, if pancada was still on LOUD they would have still made it to tokyo and champs, meaning they probably would have been top 3 in one tournament last year (for pancada maybe top 2 or 1 since tuyz wasnt experienced during LOCK//IN). Mako outperformed them in a year in which neither was in a good position to compete, and considering that we both probably agree marved and pancada would have produced similar results if they stayed on their teams, I don't think it's a question that mako is below them. I need to see mako win a trophy at least once. If it's on DRX sure, that's fine, but honestly I think he'd be able to produce results off of the current coaching staff he's on.
Hyopic [#35]well yeah, marved was a sixth man in 2023 and pancada was on sentinel so even if sentinels made it to LANS both of them wouldn't have been good smokes players tbh. If marved was on NRG they would have still made it to tokyo and champs, if pancada was still on LOUD they would have still made it to tokyo and champs, meaning they probably would have been top 3 in one tournament last year (for pancada maybe top 2 or 1 since tuyz wasnt experienced during LOCK//IN). Mako outperformed them in a year in which neither was in a good position to compete, and considering that we both probably agree marved and pancada would have produced similar results if they stayed on their teams, I don't think it's a question that mako is below them. I need to see mako win a trophy at least once. If it's on DRX sure, that's fine, but honestly I think he'd be able to produce results off of the current coaching staff he's on.
The problem is that ur conclusions are assumptions, which certainly could have happened, but we have no way of knowing
Mako on the other hand we have seen preform every single of year of vct
Individual skills and trophies are not the same, mako can be better than pancada and marved without winning any trophies
Uncleben [#38]The problem is that ur conclusions are assumptions, which certainly could have happened, but we have no way of knowing
Mako on the other hand we have seen preform every single of year of vct
Individual skills and trophies are not the same, mako can be better than pancada and marved without winning any trophies
I agree but if he has no results to back it up, I can't put him above people who do and are almost as consistent. He hasn't even gotten to a grand final and we're trying to put him above people who have made multiple.