if v1c isn't on a franchise roster next year I have completely lost faith in our regions ability to scout talent. same goes for Oxy, N4rrate, skuba, verno.
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nutab1e [#3]there isn't even room for the gourd bro those guys are cooked
the guard players should obviously get on teams that goes without saying lol need to root out the current frauds in t1 who snuck in
BoF7ooM [#4]v1c??? Come on bro, there are soo many better players than him. He did good in like 1 game in ascension.
people need to stop sleeping on my goat man its getting sickening - he has never gotten a chance to show out. If he got a shot on a t1 roster he would genuinely shock everyone
shineoff [#5]the guard players should obviously get on teams that goes without saying lol need to root out the current frauds in t1 who snuck in
name some frauds who aren't on 100T
shineoff [#6]people need to stop sleeping on my goat man its getting sickening - he has never gotten a chance to show out. If he got a shot on a t1 roster he would genuinely shock everyone
there's no space. especially after no team promoted to t1 from americas
uwukitten [#7]name some frauds who aren't on 100T
leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments, mibr entire team except murizzz, tacolilia the sole reason lev hasnt been able to level up, tenz was a joke last year but will stay bc of popularity, if i mention anyone on eg i will be crucified but some of them are made to seem alot better than they actually are as a player and it will get exposed next year, tuyz and cauanzin, ardiis,
shineoff [#16]leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments, mibr entire team except murizzz, tacolilia the sole reason lev hasnt been able to level up, tenz was a joke last year but will stay bc of popularity, if i mention anyone on eg i will be crucified but some of them are made to seem alot better than they actually are as a player and it will get exposed next year, tuyz and cauanzin, ardiis,
it's crazy how you actually think leaf, crashies, victor, tuyz and cauaunzin can be replaced by tier 2 players 😭(not to mention EG who just won champions, ANY member of a winning team is difficult to replace and I don't think you realize that)
Zsaber [#18]W for saying aproto
NA lacks good dedicated sentinels players. Zellsis Pancada Ardis are stuck on KJ when they should be playing smth else.
uwukitten [#17]it's crazy how you actually think leaf, crashies, victor, tuyz and cauaunzin can be replaced by tier 2 players 😭(not to mention EG who just won champions, ANY member of a winning team is difficult to replace and I don't think you realize that)
you clearly didn't read what i said lol i said most of them wont leave but they will be exposed next year including 2 players on EG
shineoff [#21]you clearly didn't read what i said lol i said most of them wont leave but they will be exposed next year including 2 players on EG
I said "can be replaced" meaning that you think the tier 2 players are as competent if not more competent than them
shineoff [#16]leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments, mibr entire team except murizzz, tacolilia the sole reason lev hasnt been able to level up, tenz was a joke last year but will stay bc of popularity, if i mention anyone on eg i will be crucified but some of them are made to seem alot better than they actually are as a player and it will get exposed next year, tuyz and cauanzin, ardiis,
Crashies and victor are 🐐s
Tell me how they frauded out?
They were the only NRG players that showed up in champions and literally qualify to every event
GUARD players deserve franchising but not over Victor and Crashies imo
Rodu [#15]Flyuh nEt and Aproto should def have a team in t1 next year.
skuba, verno, aproto, N4RRATE and poised could be a dream T2 team
Asuna_Yuuki [#23]Crashies and victor are 🐐s
Tell me how they frauded out?
They were the only NRG players that showed up in champions and literally qualify to every event
GUARD players deserve franchising but not over Victor and Crashies imo
They haven't accomplished anything since they had the best player in the world. For players who are supposed to be "some of the best" based on their accomplishments, they are always underperforming. They didn't perform well at lock in - champs - or in the regular season. They are two of the most inconsistent players in NA. Show me two series in a row where victor wasn't at the top in one then the bottom in the next one.
shineoff [#25]They haven't accomplished anything since they had the best player in the world. For players who are supposed to be "some of the best" based on their accomplishments, they are always underperforming. They didn't perform well at lock in - champs - or in the regular season. They are two of the most inconsistent players in NA. Show me two series in a row where victor wasn't at the top in one then the bottom in the next one.
https://www.vlr.gg/220449/drx-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/220451/team-liquid-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr2
poweredjay [#26]https://www.vlr.gg/220449/drx-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr1
https://www.vlr.gg/220451/team-liquid-vs-nrg-esports-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr2
at champs/lock-in/regular season... learn to read pls - I will admit victor played well in Tokyo but then went right back to being a fraud
shineoff [#16]leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments, mibr entire team except murizzz, tacolilia the sole reason lev hasnt been able to level up, tenz was a joke last year but will stay bc of popularity, if i mention anyone on eg i will be crucified but some of them are made to seem alot better than they actually are as a player and it will get exposed next year, tuyz and cauanzin, ardiis,
Not only is leaf not a fraud, C9 is also trialing a replacement for him so he won’t even stay
You’re just wrong on both points☠️
Danny [#28]Not only is leaf not a fraud, C9 is also trialing a replacement for him so he won’t even stay
You’re just wrong on both points☠️
I never said leaf would stay? I said victor and crashies would stay. and he is a fraud thats why he wont have a job in t1 next year
DecimateYKTV [#20]poised is the most underrated player in NA. he can play multiple different roles and is an really good igl.
Poised isn’t that good of an igl
KCNTV [#29]this guy is so tunelled on v1c bro can you stop man, he is a good player, not tier 1, good aim tho
keep sleeping on my goat
vipermommydomme [#33]what did he do in tier 2 on shopify that impressed you so much
he has amazing aim - can flex to any role - and if you actually watch his individual performance he makes very few mistakes. he has never really had a good team or been given a chance to impress
shineoff [#35]he has amazing aim - can flex to any role - and if you actually watch his individual performance he makes very few mistakes. he has never really had a good team or been given a chance to impress
is he better than Oxy, sym, flyuh, nismo, koalanoob, zander?
shineoff [#27]at champs/lock-in/regular season... learn to read pls - I will admit victor played well in Tokyo but then went right back to being a fraud
Victor was the only good NRG player in their champions run
moshimoshiman24 [#34]problem is that even tho they can b in tier 1, there arent enough slots bc a lot of ppl in tier 1 r already better then them
i disagree - i think alot of slots SHOULD open up after this season including half of cloud 9 majority of 100t some of NRG - assuming all of that say 11 spots clear up - so say like 3 of the guard guys get picked up (I dont think tex and jonahp will even though I definitely think they are both deserving) then assume yay gets a spot, vanity gets a spot, you still have like 5 or so spots floating around.
vipermommydomme [#36]is he better than Oxy, sym, flyuh, nismo, koalanoob, zander?
I think he is better then everyone on that list except flyuh because flyuh is IGL so obviously a much more prio position but skill wise yes. Oxy would be a close third in my mind though. Nismo and zander 4/5. For sym and koala i think they just had good teams around them and were put in positions to succeed.
StutterSt3p [#39]skuba and verno definitely deserve it, but verno is too young and no team really needs an upgrade at controller.
the rumor is bang is leaving 100t - so there you go
shineoff [#41]the rumor is bang is leaving 100t - so there you go
If that's true skuba would be a great replacement, but I actually think 100t should keep bang.
StutterSt3p [#42]If that's true skuba would be a great replacement, but I actually think 100t should keep bang.
If i was 100t, i would try to keep him also but if his foot is already out the door then it is what it is. He was trialing with c9 according to leaks. Bang is one of my favorite players so I personally would actually like to see him leave and see him succeed. I have no hope for 100t's esports staff at this point/
shineoff [#16]leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments, mibr entire team except murizzz, tacolilia the sole reason lev hasnt been able to level up, tenz was a joke last year but will stay bc of popularity, if i mention anyone on eg i will be crucified but some of them are made to seem alot better than they actually are as a player and it will get exposed next year, tuyz and cauanzin, ardiis,
bro is calling the world champions frauds
shineoff [#38]i disagree - i think alot of slots SHOULD open up after this season including half of cloud 9 majority of 100t some of NRG - assuming all of that say 11 spots clear up - so say like 3 of the guard guys get picked up (I dont think tex and jonahp will even though I definitely think they are both deserving) then assume yay gets a spot, vanity gets a spot, you still have like 5 or so spots floating around.
role rise tho the most open spots r probably igl and probably initiator or flex. only duelist spot open is probably nrg (most likely yay fills the spot). for smokes there will probably be 3 spots ( valyn is taking a spot and marved might just move teams). i think verno has the best chance of getting in but i think hes too young or smth
Spinny [#44]bro is calling the world champions frauds
your telling me com and boostio would succeed on another roster? I think Ethan Demon1 and Jawgemo are all world class players - but com and boostio were just along for the ride. I don't need to see stats yes they both had their big moments - and clutch plays. But ethan, demon1, and jawegemo made that team. They all just bought into the system and worked their asses off - thats why they won. Their work ethic is world class for sure - their game skill is not however. You could replace them with any other two players (assuming the replacement would have worked with potter all season and igl's similar to that effect) that work as hard and EG still wins this year, probably in a more dominant fashion.
moshimoshiman24 [#45]role rise tho the most open spots r probably igl and probably initiator or flex. only duelist spot open is probably nrg (most likely yay fills the spot). for smokes there will probably be 3 spots ( valyn is taking a spot and marved might just move teams). i think verno has the best chance of getting in but i think hes too young or smth
c9 has no duelist - only one they are keeping apparently is jake and NRG has been trialing with N4rrate a lot according to leaks. But yes role's become and issue - that's where the flexible players shine who can conform to multiple roles - flyuh, v1c, skuba can play sentinel aswell im pretty sure, and even if a willingness to learn other roles is all they need.
shineoff [#47]c9 has no duelist - only one they are keeping apparently is jake and NRG has been trialing with N4rrate a lot according to leaks. But yes role's become and issue - that's where the flexible players shine who can conform to multiple roles - flyuh, v1c, skuba can play sentinel aswell im pretty sure, and even if a willingness to learn other roles is all they need.
especially with guard not getting a spot, I doubt anyone else is gonna make it now unless u r igl bc na lacks that now. literally everyone is just gonna fill the roles they need with the guard and m80 players. if guard made franchising, then a lot higher chance other ppl can get in but now its unlikely
capital_d_colon [#48]Too many players too few spots.
It seems like it will be very hard for a lot of t2 NA players to break into the VCT.
Though the t2 scene in NA are commanding franchised level salaries already.
the NA t2 scene is doomed - so many orgs gonna pull out after this scene from riot
shineoff [#30]I never said leaf would stay? I said victor and crashies would stay. and he is a fraud thats why he wont have a job in t1 next year
“leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments”
How does this mean fucking anything but leaf staying
Don’t backtrack on your bad takes coward
Danny [#31]Poised isn’t that good of an igl
he igled rise and faze to actual contenders beside 2023. aside from igling, he is proven on multiple roles and has insane fragging potential.
i would choose poised over runi or stellar.
shineoff [#43]If i was 100t, i would try to keep him also but if his foot is already out the door then it is what it is. He was trialing with c9 according to leaks. Bang is one of my favorite players so I personally would actually like to see him leave and see him succeed. I have no hope for 100t's esports staff at this point/
I think C9 wants to keep jakee so I don't think they would pick up bang. Also, 100t's core of Cryo, Asuna, and bang, is actually pretty good. They just need an upgrade over derrek, and stellar.
DecimateYKTV [#52]he igled rise and faze to actual contenders beside 2023. aside from igling, he is proven on multiple roles and has insane fragging potential.
i would choose poised over runi or stellar.
He hasn't found consistent success as an IGL of a single roster. At best his igl'ing has been passable, and it's extremely dated with him showing 0 impressive results in years
I barely consider him a top 10 igl in NA
shineoff [#46]your telling me com and boostio would succeed on another roster? I think Ethan Demon1 and Jawgemo are all world class players - but com and boostio were just along for the ride. I don't need to see stats yes they both had their big moments - and clutch plays. But ethan, demon1, and jawegemo made that team. They all just bought into the system and worked their asses off - thats why they won. Their work ethic is world class for sure - their game skill is not however. You could replace them with any other two players (assuming the replacement would have worked with potter all season and igl's similar to that effect) that work as hard and EG still wins this year, probably in a more dominant fashion.
Bro you might just be retarded. You let your personal biases dictate who you think is good and you think you know more than professional esports orgs 💀💀💀
GeorgeSantos [#57]Bro you might just be retarded. You let your personal biases dictate who you think is good and you think you know more than professional esports orgs 💀💀💀
we will see lmao i mean your from brazil so speaks for itself 💀
shineoff [#58]we will see lmao i mean your from brazil so speaks for itself 💀
hmmm..... What could this possibly mean
Danny [#51]“leaf, runi, jake, crashies and victor frauded out all year but will stay bc of their accomplishments”
How does this mean fucking anything but leaf staying
Don’t backtrack on your bad takes coward
Its a list of players who I think are frauds, so I am listing players. Notice how there is clean list for jake, runi and leaf, but there is no comma between crashies and victor then stated they would stay? retard 💀 I had different reasons for each player throughout the whole paragraph
ionlyHave1Zuni [#59]hmmm..... What could this possibly mean
it means you have awful takes because you have only had 1 team accomplish anything 💀
shineoff [#60]Its a list of players who I think are frauds, so I am listing players. Notice how there is clean list for jake, runi and leaf, but there is no comma between crashies and victor then stated they would stay? retard 💀 I had different reasons for each player throughout the whole paragraph
Do you know how grammar works bro? You can’t just forget a comma and claim it’s a separate list
You also put NO reason for runi, jake, and leaf
Why lie?
Danny [#62]Do you know how grammar works bro? You can’t just forget a comma and claim it’s a separate list
You also put NO reason for runi, jake, and leaf
Why lie?
you are so weird for harping on this one detail so hard, and for thinking i'm going to be grammatically correct on a valorant forum. PLS keep yourself safe. I had no reason for runi jake and leaf bc I think they are frauds retard no strings attached leaf and runi are 100% gone i think the leaks say jake is staying but he should be gone too
kanyefan4238173 [#65]is verno even old enough? he is insane tho he shit on my faze :(
I'm pretty sure no, needs another year since it's 18 y/o requirement for franchising
idk birthday but he'll be unlocked soon, 17 already
shineoff [#64]you are so weird for harping on this one detail so hard, and for thinking i'm going to be grammatically correct on a valorant forum. PLS keep yourself safe. I had no reason for runi jake and leaf bc I think they are frauds retard no strings attached leaf and runi are 100% gone i think the leaks say jake is staying but he should be gone too
You’re such a weirdo for crying when anyone comments on your shit takes
Danny [#67]You’re such a weirdo for crying when anyone comments on your shit takes
keep crying pussy
uwukitten [#17]it's crazy how you actually think leaf, crashies, victor, tuyz and cauaunzin can be replaced by tier 2 players 😭(not to mention EG who just won champions, ANY member of a winning team is difficult to replace and I don't think you realize that)
should we revisit this?
shineoff [#46]your telling me com and boostio would succeed on another roster? I think Ethan Demon1 and Jawgemo are all world class players - but com and boostio were just along for the ride. I don't need to see stats yes they both had their big moments - and clutch plays. But ethan, demon1, and jawegemo made that team. They all just bought into the system and worked their asses off - thats why they won. Their work ethic is world class for sure - their game skill is not however. You could replace them with any other two players (assuming the replacement would have worked with potter all season and igl's similar to that effect) that work as hard and EG still wins this year, probably in a more dominant fashion.
u wrong about boostio as well fool
shineoff [#43]If i was 100t, i would try to keep him also but if his foot is already out the door then it is what it is. He was trialing with c9 according to leaks. Bang is one of my favorite players so I personally would actually like to see him leave and see him succeed. I have no hope for 100t's esports staff at this point/
100t are a top team
shineoff [#50]the NA t2 scene is doomed - so many orgs gonna pull out after this scene from riot
ur right
Al-Mawsil [#72]wrong about leaf, why tf u grouping leaf with them?
i was wrong about leaf and boostio - thats it. I did not factor in boostio's intangibles. And to be fair to me, leaf was dog this year till he went back to senti.
shineoff [#77]i was wrong about leaf and boostio - thats it. I did not factor in boostio's intangibles. And to be fair to me, leaf was dog this year till he went back to senti.
eh wouldnt call leaf dog until the latter half of 2023 but 2024 leaf looking good throughout. Anyways good preds by you, I just nitpicked a few to make myself feel better.
shineoff [#77]i was wrong about leaf and boostio - thats it. I did not factor in boostio's intangibles. And to be fair to me, leaf was dog this year till he went back to senti.
Leaf was not dog this year
burritx [#76]Bro was def not cooking sneaking v1c and skuba there
werent there like rumors of many orgs wanting skuba
EternalXera [#81]werent there like rumors of many orgs wanting skuba
Every org wanted Skuba but Knights basically cucked him his whole career, good thing is that now that hes on OXG and has a good chance of making it to tier 1
KCNTV [#29]this guy is so tunelled on v1c bro can you stop man, he is a good player, not tier 1, good aim tho
ahem
BoF7ooM [#4]v1c??? Come on bro, there are soo many better players than him. He did good in like 1 game in ascension.
ahem
Mortadelo [#88]Bro hit 5 out of 5 great players props
i dont think skuba made it sadly, but hes next for sure
shineoff [#85]ahem
still stand with my point. He's gonna fraud out the entire year, which won't be entirely his fault but its unfortunate he wasnt good enough to be picked up by SEN/NRG/100T this year because he's gonna have to play with m00se and x0ppa.
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