- FNATIC
———— (gap) - Evil Geniuses
- Paper Rex
- LOUD
- EDG
- NRG
———- (gap) - Liquid
- DRX
- NAVI
- T1
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bobkiller [#10]how was loud trolling?
Map pick, having Aspas play Jett on 0 maps is a throw in of itself
Zaynio [#9]Navi clears drx right now unless DRX completely stop playing this 6 man roster that is screwing up their synergy.
NAVI also trolling though, no?
ColinTheGoat23 [#14]Map pick, having Aspas play Jett on 0 maps is a throw in of itself
Don't think Loud was trolling but I think there was a strong chance they weren't playing at full potential. On ascent, they did play jett and got absolutely folded. Their neon comps were ran during playoffs. Hard to say how they will do at champs to be totally honest.
Zaynio [#16]Don't think Loud was trolling but I think there was a strong chance they weren't playing at full potential. On ascent, they did play jett and got absolutely folded. Their neon comps were ran during playoffs. Hard to say how they will do at champs to be totally honest.
Yeah that’s true, also the fact Aspas only opped one round is questionable
ColinTheGoat23 [#14]Map pick, having Aspas play Jett on 0 maps is a throw in of itself
braindead take, loud banned Pearl bc they suck, their best map ascent got banned
they picked lotus bc edg are inexperienced on that map (china in general are)
they’ve been running neon comps a lot lately, neons is actually meta on lotus and fracture
ColinTheGoat23 [#15]NAVI also trolling though, no?
No troll, cned just cant fill ardiis gap on the team and the rest navi players had to learn new agent/role
ColinTheGoat23 [#18]Yeah that’s true, also the fact Aspas only opped one round is questionable
mainly bc neon is not good op agent
msarez [#24]loud bombed out and theyre still 4th tho??
LOUD had a worse tournament than NAVI did yet they are getting a free pass... Makes you wonder
bobkiller [#20]braindead take, loud banned Pearl bc they suck, their best map ascent got banned
they picked lotus bc edg are inexperienced on that map (china in general are)
they’ve been running neon comps a lot lately, neons is actually meta on lotus and fracture
Loud not picking Haven on the first map pick is a throw imo
ColinTheGoat23 [#26]Loud not picking Haven on the first map pick is a throw imo
no, edg were proven to be good on that map before playoffs, so picking lotus, a map where loud have experience and edg dont is the better choice
bobkiller [#29]no, edg were proven to be good on that map before playoffs, so picking lotus, a map where loud have experience and edg dont is the better choice
LOUD are best known for their harbor viper on haven, it’s one of their best maps by far, to pick away from it just to pick a map you believe your opponent is “weak” on is a throw, especially when it’s one you are inexperienced at as well. You said EDG is inexperienced on Lotus yet LOUD have played the map 1/3 of the times EDG has
Yessirskiiii [#2]NAVI at 9 is CRAZY. Should be top 5 MINIMUM
everytime I listen to the song i think of you and your braindead takes
Yessirskiiii [#25]LOUD had a worse tournament than NAVI did yet they are getting a free pass... Makes you wonder
LOUD was Americas’ first seed. NAVI wouldn’t have even qualified to Tokyo if FNATIC didn’t win LOCK//IN. There’s a difference Mr. Yesshitski
ColinTheGoat23 [#30]LOUD are best known for their harbor viper on haven, it’s one of their best maps by far, to pick away from it just to pick a map you believe your opponent is “weak” on is a throw, especially when it’s one you are inexperienced at as well. You said EDG is inexperienced on Lotus yet LOUD have played the map 1/3 of the times EDG has
loud scrim against t1 teams on lotus, edg dont
its not a throw if you're going from a 50-50 map win to a potential advantage on a map
msarez [#24]loud bombed out and theyre still 4th tho??
because they won a champs and got 2nd this year on lock//in did you forgot? or lock/in only counts when we talk about fnatic´s wins???
BayArea [#33]Is Gekko a good AWP agent?
bro kang kang can op with fucking deadlock
its doesnt matter when you get to kang kang's level
aspas isnt on that level
koromast [#35]because they won a champs and got 2nd this year on lock//in did you forgot? or lock/in only counts when we talk about fnatic´s wins???
3rd/4th, you mean?
bobkiller [#7]edg beat loud? Hello?
A beats B doesnt mean A is a better team than B
you only talk about edg and loud but not how liquid beat edg
horse69 [#38]A beats B doesnt mean A is a better team than B
you only talk about edg and loud but not how liquid beat edg
edg lost a 50-50 to TL on lotus in a three map series + they looked better after that game
edg 2-0ed loud
FNATIC
———— (small gap)
Paper Rex (something)
———— (gap)
Evil Geniuses
Paper Rex (CGRS)
EDG
NRG
———- (gap)
Liquid
LOUD
DRX
NAVI
T1
you can call this recency bias but i am very hesitant to put LOUD anywhere near the top 5 atm because they completely bombed out during tokyo and it was a disaster class by saadhak and tuyz
bobkiller [#34]loud scrim against t1 teams on lotus, edg dont
its not a throw if you're going from a 50-50 map win to a potential advantage on a map
Who do you think EDG scrimming against all their time in Tokyo and they also scrim against other APAC teams during regular season lol.
bobkiller [#39]edg lost a 50-50 to TL on lotus in a three map series + they looked better after that game
edg 2-0ed loud
you are saying edg jumped the "gap" between liquid and nrg just in one match
koromast [#35]because they won a champs and got 2nd this year on lock//in did you forgot? or lock/in only counts when we talk about fnatic´s wins???
Now they can't fight back when you said that.
DIEM [#28]
- EDG
-------GAP--------
- Bili Bili
- FPX
-------GAP--------
- Tyloo
- ASE
-------GAP--------
- FNC
- ?
- ?
- ?
- ?
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headshot30 [#3]YYOOOOOOOO! WHERE IS SENNNNNNN BROOOOOO! THEEYYYY SHOULD BEEE NUMBERR 1!
sen fan but still....0/8
1kirua [#40]FNATIC
———— (small gap)
Paper Rex (something)
———— (gap)
Evil Geniuses
Paper Rex (CGRS)
EDG
NRG
———- (gap)
Liquid
LOUD
DRX
NAVI
T1you can call this recency bias but i am very hesitant to put LOUD anywhere near the top 5 atm because they completely bombed out during tokyo and it was a disaster class by saadhak and tuyz
T1 over C9? You don't really believe that right?
Also how is EDG>NRG? NRG placed higher and looked better all against NAVI, T1, PRX and Liquid. They literally played 4 same teams and NRG looked better than EDG in all those matches lol. Not a single one where EDG's game was closer
ChinaTheBest [#21]1.FNC
_Gap
2.EG Made Grand Finals
3.PRx
4.EDG
5.Nrg
___Gap
6.Tl
7.T1
8.Loud
9.Drx
--------Mega Gap
Navi
Why would there be a big gap between DRX and NAVI?
DRX lost 0-2 against NRG while NAVI lost 1-2 and even in the group stages DRX wasn't that convincing at all... I'd even argue Navi>drx but anyway there isn't that big of a gap imo
The_Cleg [#56]Why would there be a big gap between DRX and NAVI?
DRX lost 0-2 against NRG while NAVI lost 1-2 and even in the group stages DRX wasn't that convincing at all... I'd even argue Navi>drx but anyway there isn't that big of a gap imo
made playoffs
ChinaTheBest [#21]1.FNC
_Gap
2.EG Made Grand Finals
3.PRx
4.EDG
5.Nrg
___Gap
6.Tl
7.T1
8.Loud
9.Drx
--------Mega Gap
Navi
braindead take
1kirua [#40]FNATIC
———— (small gap)
Paper Rex (something)
———— (gap)
Evil Geniuses
Paper Rex (CGRS)
EDG
NRG
———- (gap)
Liquid
LOUD
DRX
NAVI
T1you can call this recency bias but i am very hesitant to put LOUD anywhere near the top 5 atm because they completely bombed out during tokyo and it was a disaster class by saadhak and tuyz
agreed but I would still have loud over liquid
Infernando10 [#44]How is there a gap between prx and rest and how is nrg below edg and prx ??? When nrg lost a close fought series 2-1 ( 13-15, 13-6, 11-13)
Firstly there isnt a gap between prx and rest but prx and the bottom 4 teams on that list. Secondly nrg is below prx bc prx beat nrg with a sub and edg over nrg since edg won more convincingly and faced much tougher opponents than nrg. EDG also looked better and got better as the tournament went on. NRG would also barely win their games in group stage and playoffs, that's why nrg is below edg and prx. There could be an argument that nrg is above edg but not prx
brobeans [#59]why tf is edg so high? they almost bombed out of playoffs
They would wipe the floor with NRG if not for PRX which could've gone either way really.
brobeans [#59]why tf is edg so high? they almost bombed out of playoffs
they placed 5-6th so they get ranked 5-6th. I don't think they are ranked way to high.
Zerphyr1 [#66]they placed 5-6th so they get ranked 5-6th. I don't think they are ranked way to high.
should def be after liquid and nrg at least. plus they have only placed 5-6th in one LAN. even LOUD (who is ranked way too high as well) may be higher than them
bruhahaha [#65]They would wipe the floor with NRG if not for PRX which could've gone either way really.
nrg still ranks higher since they beat liquid (who beat edg) and the team has a good history
1kirua [#40]FNATIC
———— (small gap)
Paper Rex (something)
———— (gap)
Evil Geniuses
Paper Rex (CGRS)
EDG
NRG
———- (gap)
Liquid
LOUD
DRX
NAVI
T1you can call this recency bias but i am very hesitant to put LOUD anywhere near the top 5 atm because they completely bombed out during tokyo and it was a disaster class by saadhak and tuyz
NRG better than PRX
The_Cleg [#55]T1 over C9? You don't really believe that right?
Also how is EDG>NRG? NRG placed higher and looked better all against NAVI, T1, PRX and Liquid. They literally played 4 same teams and NRG looked better than EDG in all those matches lol. Not a single one where EDG's game was closer
id like to see an fns outcall the shitfest that is the goat kangkang
Fnatic (undisputed)
NRG (consistent team)
PRX (guarantee top 4 at champs)
EG (not a fluke run, an actual good team.)
EDG ( KK supremacy too good )
LOUD ( still have roster problems to fix )
TL ( ugh )
NAVI ( stop trolling and can easily be #4 for #5 )
DRX ( same problem like LOUD )
C9 ( they are here because T1 is a fraud imo )
BayArea [#32]LOUD was Americas’ first seed. NAVI wouldn’t have even qualified to Tokyo if FNATIC didn’t win LOCK//IN. There’s a difference Mr. Yesshitski
W
IceFoxx00 [#81]Mibr
-------- (Gap)
Kcorp
Dfm
Kru
Koi
Bbl
--------- (mega gap)
Rest don't matter
Seems about right
brobeans [#69]should def be after liquid and nrg at least. plus they have only placed 5-6th in one LAN. even LOUD (who is ranked way too high as well) may be higher than them
nrg looked floppy and some games played extremely bad. All their wins were close and could've gone either way apart from when they versed drx in the lower bracket. EDG won against navi in convincing fashion but it was still fairly close but in the game against T1 they improved massively as T1 lost to nrg in the final map 13-11 (a very close match) but edg absolutely destroyed T1 then they versed liquid and lost pretty convincingly but it was still very close but then they beat loud 2-0 and very narrowly lost to paper rex as they had an insane comeback. Basically EDG improved massively as the tournament went on and during the tournament was the only time they could scrim against Tier 1 talent and after a couple days of scrriming against T1 teams you can see they improved drastically. Basically EDG has so much talent and are looking very good and even in their chinese region they are going flawless and are playing at the same level as they did at masters. Whereas NRG are losing to sentinels in scrims and are losing to C9 in scrims which should not be happening for the "4th-5th best team in the world.
BayArea [#32]LOUD was Americas’ first seed. NAVI wouldn’t have even qualified to Tokyo if FNATIC didn’t win LOCK//IN. There’s a difference Mr. Yesshitski
own that kid
Gutwi [#90]Why do people have edg higher than TL?
They beat loud and they had generally closer games while losing at the same point in the tournament
(And Kang Kang)
DIEM [#28]
- EDG
-------GAP--------
- Bili Bili
- FPX
-------GAP--------
- Tyloo
- ASE
-------GAP--------
- FNC
- ?
- ?
- ?
- ?
Accurate 👍
bruhahaha [#50]NRG and TL are similar in level, imo EDG gaps NRG, ask victor.
EDG and NRG played 4 same teams in Tokyo: Liquid, T1, NaVi and PRX.
There was not a single game out of these 5 where EDG made the game more competitive than NRG did lol. NRG>EDG accept the truth for now
The_Cleg [#93]EDG and NRG played 4 same teams in Tokyo: Liquid, T1, NaVi and PRX.
There was not a single game out of these 5 where EDG made the game more competitive than NRG did lol. NRG>EDG accept the truth for now
NRG played FNC and EDG played LOUD though. Also I have to disagree, EDG shows a lot of versatility and flexibility in their play even if there's some holes in their game still. NRG adapts somewhat slow, esp with their recent Bind performance. That won't cut it especially if your firepower isn't as high, its quite crazy they even got so far as each of the games you named were 2-1 or 1-2, EDG really shaped up and made it rough for other teams to even take a map, including LOUD.
bruhahaha [#94]NRG played FNC and EDG played LOUD though. Also I have to disagree, EDG shows a lot of versatility and flexibility in their play even if there's some holes in their game still. NRG adapts somewhat slow, esp with their recent Bind performance. That won't cut it especially if your firepower isn't as high, its quite crazy they even got so far as each of the games you named were 2-1 or 1-2, EDG really shaped up and made it rough for other teams to even take a map, including LOUD.
NRG looked more dominant against NAVI.
NRG won against LIQUID, EDG lost.
NRG vs PRX was closer than PRX vs EDG (both very very close matches anyway).
NRG never lost to T1.
Yessirskiiii [#2]NAVI at 9 is CRAZY. Should be top 5 MINIMUM
i am a navi fan but you are malding rn
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