I was not in the valorant community when the incident happened. So for a long time I thought he was a rapist. But after reading babysasuke's comments, i realised than his ex didn't provide the evidence to the police, so technically he is innocent??? (I have no clue I'm just talking out my ass. Someone fill me in as to why is he still getting hate if he wasn't convicted???)
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kaesra [#4]so technically he is innocent???
yeaa but riot doesn't really want him back to the pro scene so he's kinda blacklisted i think??
Nah the ban is over
TheMonk [#3]Tenz fans get some insecurity and some shit of him coz tenz replaced him in sen before masters
And everyone knows he is a better player than tenz so uk
Every pro put sinatraa above tenz in pro play and ofc if got the chance of playing again he would have outshined tenz
they dont even play the same role, bros more delusional than aimbotneon
lulshotXD [#5]Nah the ban is over
i know the ban is over but im pretty sure riot told teams to not sign sinatraa iirc
TheMonk [#3]Tenz fans get some insecurity and some shit of him coz tenz replaced him in sen before masters
And everyone knows he is a better player than tenz so uk
Every pro put sinatraa above tenz in pro play and ofc if got the chance of playing again he would have outshined tenz
After tenz replaced him They literally won masters with tenz being mvp
kaesra [#7]i know the ban is over but im pretty sure riot told teams to not sign sinatraa iirc
idk if they did but it'd be unnecessary, nobody wants to sign him bc it's a pr nightmare
tinted [#10]It was a big twitter drama thing but there was no proof that stuff did or didn’t happen. People choose to believe what they want, and that’s that
wasn't there a recording of him pressuring though?
Halleluhwah [#11]wasn't there a recording of him pressuring though?
It’s not really as clear cut as people say it is
Halleluhwah [#11]wasn't there a recording of him pressuring though?
she took it out of context for all we know it could be some weird kinky shit, she also said she had the whole video with the full context but she never presented it in court or anywhere
Yeah look problem is regardless if it was proven or not he’s just such a large brand risk. Those sort of allegations are career ending. I’m not picking a side between who was right and who was wrong because the whole situation was handled terribly by both parties, but sad reality is orgs are too scared to sign him because of the public backlash it’ll cause. I think he’s well aware of that now and that’s probably why you see him just stick to his own lane in contention creation.
kaesra [#7]i know the ban is over but im pretty sure riot told teams to not sign sinatraa iirc
ban is completely over, he is allowed and completely free to participate in franchising if he wanted to, but 1. he's mentioned a couple of times he doesn't want to/doesn't care enough (could be joking) 2. sentinels was planning to drop zombs for sinatraa but they decided the pr was gonna be horrid so picked up kanpeki instead 3. as mentioned earlier, it would be a pr nightmare for any team 4. he hasn't really competed in t1/2 probably even 3 in almost 2.5 years, so unless he's been scrimming behind the scenes i doubt any t1/2 team would willingly pick him up so fast
Halleluhwah [#9]idk if they did but it'd be unnecessary, nobody wants to sign him bc it's a pr nightmare
true no one would ever signed him, just look at pancc's twitter every The Union game lmao
TheMonk [#19]And after that fluke win?
Atm tenz is not among top 10 duelists and far away from top 30 best players itw
well obviously not now but he was at the time...?
Tyzehhxo [#17]Yeah look problem is regardless if it was proven or not he’s just such a large brand risk. Those sort of allegations are career ending. I’m not picking a side between who was right and who was wrong because the whole situation was handled terribly by both parties, but sad reality is orgs are too scared to sign him because of the public backlash it’ll cause. I think he’s well aware of that now and that’s probably why you see him just stick to his own lane in contention creation.
I think he wants to stick to content creation because he got a big offer from the pacific team and salary was huge but he rejected
CRAZY_CHAINSAW_MAN_FAN [#15]im sorry but regardless of sinatraa, I just think its funny you got your info from babysasuke
Babysasuke source: "babybay voice in my head"
Master_oGgway [#23]I think he wants to stick to content creation because he got a big offer from the pacific team and salary was huge but he rejected
The pacific team? Lots of money....... probably bleed
wiki [#22]well obviously not now but he was at the time...?
well theres no way of telling that they wouldn't have dont the same with sinatraa, and then go on to be more consistent and not fluke out of tier 1 basically
Tyzehhxo [#17]Yeah look problem is regardless if it was proven or not he’s just such a large brand risk. Those sort of allegations are career ending. I’m not picking a side between who was right and who was wrong because the whole situation was handled terribly by both parties, but sad reality is orgs are too scared to sign him because of the public backlash it’ll cause. I think he’s well aware of that now and that’s probably why you see him just stick to his own lane in contention creation.
ah yes the "both sides fallacy". it is either abuse or it isn't. its simple.
Jeffo [#28]Legally he's innocent, but people still think he did it.
He probably was a bad bf but doubt he's a rapist, I used to enjoy watching his streams, not anymore tho.
Too bad he wasted his talent by refusing to go back pro, he's enjoying the content and streams revenue
True, he doesn't care about competing anymore ig
TheMonk [#19]And after that fluke win?
Atm tenz is not among top 10 duelists and far away from top 30 best players itw
crazy how you said fluke when they were dominant, not dropping a single map LMFAO
also to answer your question, even if they had sinatraa instead of tenz in berlin, it won't change anything lil bro💀
h786 [#29]ah yes the "both sides fallacy". it is either abuse or it isn't. its simple.
But he is right tho, the girl didn’t provide evidence and the guy didn’t comply with the investigation, literally both sides are dipshits
Krivix [#35]hes fully able to be signed,would just tatter the org's rep if they did
not necessarily
he definitely isn’t interested in going pro rn
Schizophrenic_Brazil_Fan [#34]But he is right tho, the girl didn’t provide evidence and the guy didn’t comply with the investigation, literally both sides are dipshits
Yeah I was referring to how poor both sides handled it. He didn’t cooperate with an investigation, then came out and said he would bring fourth evidence that proved his innocence to which he never did. She claimed she was going to release more concrete evidence that backed more of her claims but never did it either. I don’t have an opinion on who’s right and who’s wrong because there is always 3 sides to a story, his side, her side and the truth. Im not sure what the bloke above was getting heated about, appreciate you commenting though.
Tyzehhxo [#37]Yeah I was referring to how poor both sides handled it. He didn’t cooperate with an investigation, then came out and said he would bring fourth evidence that proved his innocence to which he never did. She claimed she was going to release more concrete evidence that backed more of her claims but never did it either. I don’t have an opinion on who’s right and who’s wrong because there is always 3 sides to a story, his side, her side and the truth. Im not sure what the bloke above was getting heated about, appreciate you commenting though.
Some mfs never learnt how to interpret text
Schizophrenic_Brazil_Fan [#38]Some mfs never learnt how to interpret text
Wasn’t even that hard to understand either 💀 legit said both parties just handled the situation poorly, if people think either Sinatraa or her handled it to the best of their abilities then you’re straight LYING to yourself hahaha.
flare2222 [#12]the Union should sign sinatraa and jasonr
The misogyny warriors would go so crazy. Fire their coach and get Carlos in there too fuck it
seankukuz [#2]becuz people tend to side with the victim so that's why everyone hates him
nah its jut becouse she is a women and people think they dont lie
exin1x [#20]ban is completely over, he is allowed and completely free to participate in franchising if he wanted to, but 1. he's mentioned a couple of times he doesn't want to/doesn't care enough (could be joking) 2. sentinels was planning to drop zombs for sinatraa but they decided the pr was gonna be horrid so picked up kanpeki instead 3. as mentioned earlier, it would be a pr nightmare for any team 4. he hasn't really competed in t1/2 probably even 3 in almost 2.5 years, so unless he's been scrimming behind the scenes i doubt any t1/2 team would willingly pick him up so fast
is the zombs thing confirmed? Never heard about that
mosthatedplayersRise [#43]Brazil flag? Oh the irony
Yep, the union should hire sinatraa. they like criminals
so ?
exin1x [#26]well theres no way of telling that they wouldn't have dont the same with sinatraa, and then go on to be more consistent and not fluke out of tier 1 basically
i'm not using this to flame sinatraa, more saying it definitely wasn't a fluke win (i'm from EU btw) as tenz was probs one of, if not the best player at the time. also i don't think they fluked out of t1, they didn't get any form of coaching staff and continued to play a ridiculously loose style, their failure to adapt to the new scene led to them being knocked out.
justron40 [#51]bcs women is get privilege in the US (even tho they're in the wrong). that's why we need more t@te so ppl wake tf up!
Bro 💀
justron40 [#51]bcs women is get privilege in the US (even tho they're in the wrong). that's why we need more t@te so ppl wake tf up!
braindead
noxx [#6]they dont even play the same role, bros more delusional than aimbotneon
Actually, Sinatraa played one of TenZ's roles. He frequented Raze and Phoenix on maps like Bind, split, and haven. He was a star player for his ability to flex any agent. All TenZ did was force shahzam to play more sova on maps that Sinatraa played sova.
justron40 [#51]bcs women is get privilege in the US (even tho they're in the wrong). that's why we need more t@te so ppl wake tf up!
just because woman get privilege doesn't mean we lower our standard
justron40 [#51]bcs women is get privilege in the US (even tho they're in the wrong). that's why we need more t@te so ppl wake tf up!
nah the tate part is shit, but the rest is kinda true
Zaynio [#54]Actually, Sinatraa played one of TenZ's roles. He frequented Raze and Phoenix on maps like Bind, split, and haven. He was a star player for his ability to flex any agent. All TenZ did was force shahzam to play more sova on maps that Sinatraa played sova.
and they won a international tournament flawlessly and TenZ led the whole tournament in ACS HS% Operator KPR, KD, you are braindead.
Zaynio [#54]Actually, Sinatraa played one of TenZ's roles. He frequented Raze and Phoenix on maps like Bind, split, and haven. He was a star player for his ability to flex any agent. All TenZ did was force shahzam to play more sova on maps that Sinatraa played sova.
you forgot the part were he omega giga carried them through multiple OT games which otherwise couldve been way different and also you dont become the highest rated player and the player with the highest acs by a pretty large margin and ALSO it wasnt like how fnatic won 4 of them were on the top 5 players on that tourney, it was shahz and sick who came 4th and 5th in top 5 players in that tourney which shows how important tenz was
Jeffo [#28]Legally he's innocent, but people still think he did it.
He probably was a bad bf but doubt he's a rapist, I used to enjoy watching his streams, not anymore tho.
Too bad he wasted his talent by refusing to go back pro, he's enjoying the content and streams revenue
He has said multiple times that he enjoys the flexibility of having his own schedule, own control over how much money he makes and just not being tied to countless hours of practice and scrimming. Basically he values WLB over being Pro again.
Jeffo [#28]Legally he's innocent, but people still think he did it.
He probably was a bad bf but doubt he's a rapist, I used to enjoy watching his streams, not anymore tho.
Too bad he wasted his talent by refusing to go back pro, he's enjoying the content and streams revenue
I'm pretty sure it was the problem that a lot of major orgs didn't sign sinatraa because they didn't want to ruin their reputation. sinatraa's reputation was already ruined whether he is guilty or not.
Here Nadeshot said he could've signed sinatraa to 100T but chose not to because of his situation. Pretty sure a lot of org owners would side with
Nadeshot on this one too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSshkXR9iQ
Barbatos [#60]NA stonks
panc(sent a message) = true evil, die! 😡👎
sinatra(rapist) = just a misunderstanding, i enjoy his streams 😊👍
Um
You don’t really know how many death threats sinatraa got when this shit happened
Mfers even told shahz “you’re playing with a r*****” when all they were doing was queueing val together on stream
He has gone through way worse for all the reasons pancc and ntk should go through
Abuse and Pedophilia isn’t a joke, just like S/A
h786 [#55]just because woman get privilege doesn't mean we lower our standard
i never say that tho.
TheMonk [#19]And after that fluke win?
Atm tenz is not among top 10 duelists and far away from top 30 best players itw
3 fluke wins b2b? LMAO. TenZ won 2 masters b2b , you are clueless
kaesra [#7]i know the ban is over but im pretty sure riot told teams to not sign sinatraa iirc
No, the teams won't sign him because he is a huge pr liability
chick [#63]Um
You don’t really know how many death threats sinatraa got when this shit happened
Mfers even told shahz “you’re playing with a r*****” when all they were doing was queueing val together on stream
He has gone through way worse for all the reasons pancc and ntk should go through
Abuse and Pedophilia isn’t a joke, just like S/A
He has gone through way worse
thousands people watching his stream, making him rolling in money.
Yeah, much worse. Sad for him.
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