People talking like there's 2 good teams and everyone else is bad LOL. FNC are playing at a higher level than i've seen anyone play, NAVI are a top 4 team itw and we haven't even seen their potential. TL are looking better and better, FUT have an amazing roster and have very high potential, Giants are a team that can beat pretty much any team itw on their day, BBL and Vitality are solid teams that aren't an easy game for anyone. TH, KOI and KC are trash tho
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record says absolutely nothing, yes are worst team may be worse than yours but that speaks nothing on how competitive the WHOLE league is.
With the Americas being very close and anyone being able to beat each other like Lev getting crushed by C9 or NRG destroying LOUD this weekend. Meanwhile you have FNC and Navi clearly owning every other team you can legitimately see the skill gap between the teams. While BBL, FUT or Giants have flashes they are no where near being as good as even the 5th ranked America team (if anything KRU being 0-8 proves my point they are so behind everyone else in Americas they can’t win meanwhile EU teams trading wins for funsies)
LEV isn't even that good, they were known to be the best pistol round team and ascent team (iirc), but that's about it. So LEV getting crushed by C9 is not that big of a deal especially after the dominant performance C9 has been showing these past few weeks.
You can argue FNC and NAVI owning every other team, but isn''t it the same as LOUD and C9? they're owning everybody with the exception of NRG vs LOUD.
no they aren’t owning
LOUD has dropped 7 Maps compared to FNC ( 1 ) NAVI (4) You could make the argument for C9 but that’s the exception. Your arguing for the two best teams yet don’t argue about the teams that matter. If only one team can take a map off the best team in your region than theirs a pretty big skill gap. (Not to mention look at your bottom 3 KC, KOI and TH legitimately some of the worst franchised teams no way you can argue they are more competitive than teams in America)
its a mickey mouse 32 team single elim 2 bracket tournament with no prep and no meta
Cope and seethe you actual braindead, there's a reason SHITMEA hasnt won a real international event since last July (and its never been Flukenatic) and LOUD are the defending Champions
L region with a massive talent deficit, too many teams in tier 1 make make enough competitive roster and no tier 2 scene
Problem is you're only looking at the results, so let me break it down to you:
NRG (3rd) - KOI (9th)
NRG (3rd) - Giants (4th)
LOUD (1st) - KC (10th)
EG (6th) - TH (8th)
LEV (7th) - VIT (7th) <- same rank
100T (4th) - FUT (5th)
See the difference between the two? They were up against stronger ranked team of Americas League with the exception of LEV vs VIT (but let's not forget that VIT has no s-tier LAN experience)
I'd say they were pretty close in term of depth, Americas is slightly better though. But it's crazy to think every other team besides KRU and MIBR clears EMEA unless you're coping because FNATIC won LOCK//IN🫢
Fnatic hasn't had to play a Tier 1 team 2 months
LOUD in their form against NRG still shitstomps Flukenatic
So does NRG, C9, EG, LEV, and Furia
I hope one day they lift import restrictions for EMEA partnership league so one of your hopeless orgs can pick up an NA VCL team and you can all mald when they make top 3 in your "Tier 1" league every split without breaking a sweat
But hey, at least Fnatic looked good against KOI! stupid fr
the poised knows flyuhs game too well in question
https://www.vlr.gg/169010/faze-clan-vs-moist-moguls-challengers-league-north-america-w5
these 2 players were playing as a no org team with no bootcamps on 70 ping. rewatch their matches in lcq/quals and you will notice how it took them extra 0.1s to start shooting when they were holding angles, now compare to how they play on LAN. Chron was getting aim diffed by way worse players than him online, but on lan he's absolutely owning, same for nats.
KCorp with a good coaching staff and better structure could beat anyone on their day next season I think. The aim is there, all of them are insane aimers, ScreaM could be the best aimer the game has ever seen, sh1n is a beast aimer, Nivera also but his OPing even better and xms may make some shitty mistakes but his aim is also incredebly good and his sheriff is very good. They need a good IGL that can also aim better than ze1sh and complete new coaching staff, cause since newzera left they looked very good. I believe in them next season
idk man I think it's easy to fall under the illusion that Giants have improved their gameplay because they started off the split playing against Fnatic and Navi first, and played against progressively worse and worse teams.
After watching them lose to Team heretics running a YORU comp, playing with their coach that's been inactive for 2 years, I can confidently say that Giants have a set skill ceiling. They'll be better than everyone below them in the current standings, and occasionally lose a game to them (I do believe that the heretics game was just an off-day), but they'll never ever be able to beat Liquid, Navi, or Fnatic, and the gap between 3rd EMEA and 4th is really high.
In my personal opinion, with how things are in EMEA rn, NRG singlehandedly clears everyone below Fnatic, NAVI, and TL.
Team Liquid is on an island; there is a gap between them and everyone below them, but there is also a gap between them and NAVI/Fnatic.
I don't know with certainty whether NRG can beat them or not as they currently are (my personal opinion says yes but that isn't based on anything concrete so I won't claim that they can), but we know for sure that LOUD is capable of beating Fnatic if they don't throw an 11-4 lead, which should never happen, like ever (props to Fnatic for pulling that off btw), and we know for sure that Cloud9 is better than every single Americas team right now, the only uncertain matchup being LOUD
So: if Loud and C9 are on generally the same level (I want to say NRG too but again I can't back that off a single series against loud, while C9 has proved themselves by going 8-1 against everyone and almost taking a close series 1-2 against loud with only 2 weeks of practice with their new roster), and Loud is in the same tier as Fnatic and NAVI, then both C9 and LOUD can dumpster Team Liquid.
The way I see it, EMEA only has 3 good teams while the rest of its teams are uncompetitive with them.
The reason Americas is getting so much ype is because the top 4 teams has changed at least thrice since the season began, and even 100T can beat Furia who did better against Fnatic than NAVI did.
LOUD C9 and NRG are the undisputed kings of Americas league right now, but everyone in Americas is so close that it's possible for EG to beat them, Furia to beat them, hell even 100T. Imo The rest of Amer
The way I see it, EMEA only has 3 good teams while the rest of its teams are uncompetitive with them.
The top 3 of EMEA are equal to the top 3 of Americas, but the rest of americas is easily better than the rest of EMEA
EMEA only has 3 good teams? FNC and NAVI are top 4. TL are elite on paper and can be a top 4 if they reach their potential. FUT are absolutely an amazing team that you underrate and Giants have been looking worse recently, but they're one of those teams can 100% beat any team in the world on their day. Like i said in the post also BBL aren't an easy game for anyone and Vitality have been falling off but the same applies to them imo
Some think that having dominant team or two means that rest of the region is weak. That's how it has always been in EMEA. Fnatic and FPX owned EMEA last year, but did that make teams like Guild, Liquid, G2(fluke), M3C weak globally? No it didn't they were still Masters playoffs level teams. While NA outside of OpTic and at times XSET/The Guard were just beating each other left and right and did that make the region stronger than EMEA? No it didn't. Having bunch of B tier teams beating each other doesn't mean shit when they have to face those S tier teams. Top half EMEA teams last year and before were way more consistent regionally compared to NA for example while teams like LOUD were just farming their weaker regions.
Fnatic didn't lose a single map in Lock In only dropping 2 after going 2-0 up in the finals(winning vs LOUD Ascent as well). You really think this team wouldn't be undeafeated in any region when even LOUD managed to do that until last game?
Fnatic is the best team before proven otherwise while NaVi would be competitive and possibly even favored in some against LOUD, C9 and NRG. Any Americas team outside of those 3 are completely beatable by other top half EMEA teams. Teams like Giants, Liquid etc wouldn't be underdogs vs EG, 100T, FURIA type teams.
TL looks pretty strong
For the other Americas teams, you also have KRU, 100T, FURIA, MIBR, SEN shitting the bed as well, just because the gap is smaller in the NA because FNC is just absolutely different right now doesn't mean your region doesn't have their share of mid teams. There's also major contenders in both regions, no duh bro. FNC and NAVI just have a huge gap under them that's making the scale seem much bigger, but there are def underrated teams in the EMEA region, esp the Turkish teams. IMO the raw talent in EMEA is way higher but they play very braindead and have weak callers and leadership rely on heroics, that's why FNC is so scary since they really have both.
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