even though there are 24 slots in major, while china gets 3 in val champions, that's the difference between valve and riot, valve focus on competitiveness, riot focus on money.
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china gets 0 slot in csgo major
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acels2 [#12]thats cuz valve is biased against asia, teams like IHC gets a good run but no rewards
rewarded for a 9th-12th finish? lol
Congo1 [#16]Csgo failed in asian markets. Valorant is succeeding. Youre not gonna miss out on 1.5 billion people. Simple as.
Csgo is massive in China, what are u waffling about
Congo1 [#16]Csgo failed in asian markets. Valorant is succeeding. Youre not gonna miss out on 1.5 billion people. Simple as.
csgo fan base is really big in china, valve could easily give china free slots if they want to make more money, but they didn't.
Obeeey [#22]Your country is big enough, just have kids until you reach 1B population or around, wait 20 years and your country will be considered in esports
actually i m from china you idiot, judging people by some random flags
sj67atg6 [#14]rewarded for a 9th-12th finish? lol
they literally beat pain (rank 17), furia (rank 8), c9 (rank 6)
acels2 [#12]thats cuz valve is biased against asia, teams like IHC gets a good run but no rewards
major is fair to every team bro
monitar [#24]actually i m from china you idiot, judging people by some random flags
yeah the flag you chose to display on your profile with no other indication of your ethnicity
i feel theres a big gap in csgo china teams and tier 1 teams. On the other behalf, on valorant, china teams actually can take maps of tier 1 teams, and look good with unique comps. I feel like China should compete in Pacific league, but that might kill the balance of the league. All teams other than GenG and DRX do not look that good (PRX might be the exception).
KCNTV [#32]i feel theres a big gap in csgo china teams and tier 1 teams. On the other behalf, on valorant, china teams actually can take maps of tier 1 teams, and look good with unique comps. I feel like China should compete in Pacific league, but that might kill the balance of the league. All teams other than GenG and DRX do not look that good (PRX might be the exception).
bro RA recently just beat liquid and took a map from navi
since_beta [#7]Edg owns 30%-40% of the teams bro, what competition are you talking about
bro edg didn't win a single bo3 in last year champions and lock-in this year, you delusional
monitar [#35]bro edg didn't win a single bo3 in last year champions and lock-in this year, you delusional
bro they faced against Prime PRX nearly beat them, in lock in they faced against prime 100t that just won red bull home ground...
KCNTV [#32]i feel theres a big gap in csgo china teams and tier 1 teams. On the other behalf, on valorant, china teams actually can take maps of tier 1 teams, and look good with unique comps. I feel like China should compete in Pacific league, but that might kill the balance of the league. All teams other than GenG and DRX do not look that good (PRX might be the exception).
csgo it's too hard for non emea/na
CSGO isn't the main draw in China, Crossfire is. Search Crossfire Pro League. You'll see how big it is compared to CSGO in China. Perfect World fumbled the bag.
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1651674648814424064?t=hRSIjdwTKOPMfPH1y9a4NQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1649679457119264768?t=QJKsR8AFzI8pfQGyMwmPKQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1647885872807972864?t=INTn_-Q_Npdc2YuTcXhVvQ&s=19
Csgo fanbase is not big in china, its the csgo gambling base lmao.
Also acting like riot not caring about competition. What do you think these chinese teams are? Some farmers or milkmen. EDG is really good, and there are some talented players. They could easily have a super team by some time and have good placements, but that would require time and exposure to competition.
Also, as of right now, there arent any more than 4-5 good teams in each league. So 4 slots is more than enough for every region.
Congo1 [#16]Csgo failed in asian markets. Valorant is succeeding. Youre not gonna miss out on 1.5 billion people. Simple as.
nah the chinese csgo market was the reason skins rose 50-100%
Stratie [#26]more than half of the 'aussies' here are fake.
more than half of the 'aussies' here are "someone alt acc"
monitar [#21]csgo fan base is really big in china, valve could easily give china free slots if they want to make more money, but they didn't.
valve doesn't care, simple as that
monitar [#24]actually i m from china you idiot, judging people by some random flags
this has to be the stupidest thing I have read on this entire site
hxnW [#37]bro they faced against Prime PRX nearly beat them, in lock in they faced against prime 100t that just won red bull home ground...
"Prime PRX" 💀
monitar [#35]bro edg didn't win a single bo3 in last year champions and lock-in this year, you delusional
they played the best teams bro what you on?
TMosura [#40]CSGO isn't the main draw in China, Crossfire is. Search Crossfire Pro League. You'll see how big it is compared to CSGO in China. Perfect World fumbled the bag.
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1651674648814424064?t=hRSIjdwTKOPMfPH1y9a4NQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1649679457119264768?t=QJKsR8AFzI8pfQGyMwmPKQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1647885872807972864?t=INTn_-Q_Npdc2YuTcXhVvQ&s=19
Csgo is already very popular in China, and its popularity on Chinese live broadcast platform douyu has surpassed that of CF. Take a look at the daily online number of csgo. The peak always appears in the prime time of China.
soonwookong [#44]to be fair the seedings were shite
Nah fam, Asia hasn't reached playoffs once in their history. They don't deserve it. If they had more spots all you'd see is some terrible low elo games and more teams getting 0-3d. You SEA people are really delusional and self-entitled thinking you deserve the representation.
Mortadelo [#18]There is no competition in Asia because there's no slots*
omegalul, even if you had vitality play vs 31 asia teams, they'd beat everybody without dropping a map. #53
People truly love to complain. Riot e-sports will always focus on making competition global, especially if there is money to be made. If you don't like it, go watch cs go. Bitching and moaning about how a company operates is pointless. It won't change anything. If valorant blows up in china as league of legends did, then the chinese teams will be competitive sooner rather than later. If it doesn't, oh well, not a big deal.
People need to understand this about riot games as an entity. For better or worse, their main priority with the e-sports they've created isn't competitive integrity, their main priority is the ability of said e-sports to facilitate the marketing of their games to make as much $$$ as possible. That is reality and what we've seen them do for over a decade with league of legends. At the end of the day, it still leads to a pretty fucking good product for viewers(not so much for orgs in the ecosystem). Nothing will be different with valorant. Deal with it.
since_beta [#50]they played the best teams bro what you on?
They literally played in the weakest group at Champions
Altaria [#56]They literally played in the weakest group at Champions
group A was Liquid, Paper rex, Leviatan, EDG
Man said weakest group even after Group C existed with XERXIA, KRU, FPX, XSET
Your opinions and Team Flair don't matter lil bro
hekzy [#54]omegalul, even if you had vitality play vs 31 asia teams, they'd beat everybody without dropping a map. #53
A region doesn’t stop playing a game because they’re bad
They’re bad because they do not play
If what we want is China to be equally good we have to give them equal opportunities and wait until they catch up. It’s not their fault that they got to the game later than everyone else. Are we gonna give up a region like China just because they haven’t developed yet? Valorant is not CS and I do not want it to be. Same with Asia in general, they just don’t have the tactical shooter base EMEA and Americas had since the beginning
Mortadelo [#62]A region doesn’t stop playing a game because they’re bad
They’re bad because they do not playIf what we want is China to be equally good we have to give them equal opportunities and wait until they catch up. It’s not their fault that they got to the game later than everyone else. Are we gonna give up a region like China just because they haven’t developed yet? Valorant is not CS and I do not want it to be. Same with Asia in general, they just don’t have the tactical shooter base EMEA and Americas had since the beginning
I wasn't talking about Valorant. In CSGO Asia was given plenty of chances, and they fumbled them. China can't even compete with mongolian with 1/5000th of the playerbase. It's not about representation, it's about work-ethic, and Asia never had it in CSGO (and they don't have it in Valorant either, they have the biggest playerbase and they are the worst region).
hekzy [#53]Nah fam, Asia hasn't reached playoffs once in their history. They don't deserve it. If they had more spots all you'd see is some terrible low elo games and more teams getting 0-3d. You SEA people are really delusional and self-entitled thinking you deserve the representation.
I'm not talking about Asia at all, did you see the Europe RMR? Teams can go through without winning against any top 20 teams and some face 3 top 10 teams. The 2 Asian spots are fine. Learn to read before insulting anyone.
since_beta [#60]group A was Liquid, Paper rex, Leviatan, EDG
Man said weakest group even after Group C existed with XERXIA, KRU, FPX, XSETYour opinions and Team Flair don't matter lil bro
bro group A
liquid 7~8th place
Leviatan 7~8th
prx 9~12th
edg 13~16th
group C
FPX 4th
XSET 5~6th
KRU 9~12th
XERXIA 13~16th
now you can tell me which is weaker
starxito_sike [#3]noted. Im informing Leo faria right away
As a Brazilian, I never remember that this guy exists, after all, what does he do that is so important at Riot?
soonwookong [#64]I'm not talking about Asia at all, did you see the Europe RMR? Teams can go through without winning against any top 20 teams and some face 3 top 10 teams. The 2 Asian spots are fine. Learn to read before insulting anyone.
seeding issue seems likes a tiny issue compared with franchising system, and valve change seeding rule frequently, hope they fix it next time.
monitar [#65]bro group A
liquid 7~8th place
Leviatan 7~8th
prx 9~12th
edg 13~16thgroup C
FPX 4th
XSET 5~6th
KRU 9~12th
XERXIA 13~16thnow you can tell me which is weaker
have this ratio
hekzy [#63]I wasn't talking about Valorant. In CSGO Asia was given plenty of chances, and they fumbled them. China can't even compete with mongolian with 1/5000th of the playerbase. It's not about representation, it's about work-ethic, and Asia never had it in CSGO (and they don't have it in Valorant either, they have the biggest playerbase and they are the worst region).
Was CS launched in China at the same time it was on the rest of the world?
If no then it’s simply not a fair comparison. Just compare a pro who switches now to Valorant with one who’s been here since Beta. And now add to it the fact that no one is teaching you. It takes a long time
If yes then Ig CS failed in China. But it’s definitely not because of work ethics. You’re telling me they have the work ethic when they play LOL but they don’t when they play Valorant? And even if it was the case why would that be a reason not to give them the chance?
acels2 [#25]they literally beat pain (rank 17), furia (rank 8), c9 (rank 6)
but thats not a consistent performance from them
Ic4rusYam2 [#66]As a Brazilian, I never remember that this guy exists, after all, what does he do that is so important at Riot?
He's just the Global Leader of Valorant Esports
monitar [#67]seeding issue seems likes a tiny issue compared with franchising system, and valve change seeding rule frequently, hope they fix it next time.
yeah fortunately it is
monitar [#33]bro RA recently just beat liquid and took a map from navi
Thanks for correcting me. I didnt know much about current csgo and i was running with my thought about until 2019 where i stopped watching csgo pro.
Mapusaurus [#77]val is still very young game so all regions need a chance to prove themselves
no, it's just the way that riot running their business, even though LCS and LEC are trash, riot never reduce their slots in WORLDS.
TMosura [#40]CSGO isn't the main draw in China, Crossfire is. Search Crossfire Pro League. You'll see how big it is compared to CSGO in China. Perfect World fumbled the bag.
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1651674648814424064?t=hRSIjdwTKOPMfPH1y9a4NQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1649679457119264768?t=QJKsR8AFzI8pfQGyMwmPKQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/subzidite2/status/1647885872807972864?t=INTn_-Q_Npdc2YuTcXhVvQ&s=19
https://i.postimg.cc/rVM6ZmfF/QQ-20230429102501.png
this is from chinese search engine baidu, blue line is crossfire
hekzy [#63]I wasn't talking about Valorant. In CSGO Asia was given plenty of chances, and they fumbled them. China can't even compete with mongolian with 1/5000th of the playerbase. It's not about representation, it's about work-ethic, and Asia never had it in CSGO (and they don't have it in Valorant either, they have the biggest playerbase and they are the worst region).
Bro is litterally gonna say China doesn’t have work ethic????
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Mortadelo [#69]Was CS launched in China at the same time it was on the rest of the world?
If no then it’s simply not a fair comparison. Just compare a pro who switches now to Valorant with one who’s been here since Beta. And now add to it the fact that no one is teaching you. It takes a long time
If yes then Ig CS failed in China. But it’s definitely not because of work ethics. You’re telling me they have the work ethic when they play LOL but they don’t when they play Valorant? And even if it was the case why would that be a reason not to give them the chance?
Yes, they don't have the tac-fps infastructure and know-how. They don't know how to work on this game. Look at what Denmark has built, they're invincible in eSports with just 1/10000th the population.
Stop being deceived by LoL, they have 5 times the population of any other shard. By far the biggest talent pool to choose from, and still dominated by Koreans, because they are, let's be honest. In other games, where they don't have a huge talent pool advantage, they're exposed even further. And now that they have the underage gaming laws, you won't see China eSports in the way you used to.
LouBag [#81]Bro is litterally gonna say China doesn’t have work ethic????
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Yes, actually. You just think they work hard because they have 10% representation in a game with 40% of the player base. They just have a large talent pool, if you take any other esport, that they don't just overpower you with unlimited talent, they are poodoo. Dota/CS/r6/StarCraft/
hekzy [#83]Yes, they don't have the tac-fps infastructure and know-how. They don't know how to work on this game. Look at what Denmark has built, they're invincible in eSports with just 1/10000th the population.
Stop being deceived by LoL, they have 5 times the population of any other shard. By far the biggest talent pool to choose from, and still dominated by Koreans, because they are, let's be honest. In other games, where they don't have a huge talent pool advantage, they're exposed even further. And now that they have the underage gaming laws, you won't see China eSports in the way you used to.
Does that mean we don't give them a equal chance and assume they're gonna fail?
since_beta [#60]group A was Liquid, Paper rex, Leviatan, EDG
Man said weakest group even after Group C existed with XERXIA, KRU, FPX, XSETYour opinions and Team Flair don't matter lil bro
Surely bandwagoning and having the best team as your flair makes you a smarter person 🤡🤡🤡
Altaria [#88]Surely bandwagoning and having the best team as your flair makes you a smarter person 🤡🤡🤡
https://www.vlr.gg/132694/no-bandwagoners-all-come
its a 7 month old post.
have this L
Mortadelo [#87]Does that mean we don't give them a equal chance and assume they're gonna fail?
No, everybody gets what they deserve. You can't compromise competitive integrity in the name of diversity and inclusivity. Not in sports. Because sports stand for excellence in a skill, not for representation of countries, demographics.
Truly equal opportunity is when the best of the best get to play. You can't just get a free ticket to top competition, because that means you took that ticket from another more deserving player or team. It's outright discriminatory.
hekzy [#91]No, everybody gets what they deserve. You can't compromise competitive integrity in the name of diversity and inclusivity. Not in sports. Because sports stand for excellence in a skill, not for representation of countries, demographics.
Truly equal opportunity is when the best of the best get to play. You can't just get a free ticket to top competition, because that means you took that ticket from another more deserving player or team. It's outright discriminatory.
Bro the very moment you hand pick teams who get into franchising you have to accept the competitive integrity isn’t there. And Ik we don’t agree on this one but I think it’s the right pace
That argument it’s not about China getting slots, Ik you don’t like franchising but it’s not gonna go away so I think it’s very logic that they stay coherent to their plan.
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