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Offseason during Chengdu, then it's just a matter whether or not they could maintain their momentum.
Like I said on my own post; I agree about representation, but is it worth it when there is one more year until the first partnership cycle is finished and the evaluation begins?
50/50 chance either they stay or get reconsidered. Representation isn't enough when they're already far too deep into it. If they continue on post-2027 then by all means.
I'd like them to go bold either way.
It's not a matter of money either. Their best bet in Thailand (practically Pacific's second home) or Vietnam.
The problem primarily if you wish to move the league to SEA can be boiled down to:
I think it can be boiled down to how the majority of Asia (that includes regions like SEA) that heavily value national representation due to how a lack of representation of them on the international stage, especially in a global PC esports scene like Valorant (and insert other national sports teams here).
When we heavily pride ourselves of being from that region in particular, naturally we would want to see homegrown talents from said region to be seen on a global stage. Representation comes first, performance second.
That's the true Achilles Heel of our regional mindset as a whole. When people want their country to be seen, is it worth the potential drop or rise in performance? SA is already troubled with pings and an isolation in scrims since the inception of the Conquerers Championship all the way in 2021. I've seen the amount of good talents there, it's just the matter of getting the talent out of the bubble.
Er, no, they're an affiliate team. They're allowed to participate because they're not an official academy team, they just carry the name of BBL via partnership. Once they're onto Ascension, they should be participating under PCIFIC again.
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Sir this is the playoffs.
You do realize it's being played in another city, where venue setup, logistics setup, as well as travelling across the country which also will ultimately result in a bootcamping situation affects the dark days in between?
It's accounting if Boom or NS both get relegated into playing Ascension, so that's why there's two flexible slots.
Put some respect on Z1yan too because he stuck it as much as stew has in JDG besides the long members
oh my god.
Yes, if both BOOM and NS don't get relegated to Ascension, the slot will be given to SEA.
If you ask if that's a lot, it's not.
It's the compensation for the six dissolved region: TW/HK, MY/SG, TH, VN, PH, and ID.
It gives flexibility for both SEA and the current Ascended teams.
Yeah, but it means more towards Reject since I think if Riddle wins, RC auto qualifies over QTD, but if RID lost RC will be tied in points
Rushia is a no-brainer for China. If you haven't seen the kid played, he's just cerebral
Yes to the first one
They just need either qualify for playoffs or stay in Top 8 of Champ Points in order to have the Ascension safety net
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In my opinion, the most extreme way is to split it how even League did it before pre merger era with the LJL considered a Tier 1 league, equalling its status - however, that does mean potentially separating regions like Korea and APAC as well to compensate.
Because I'm not from Japan nor am I a definitive expert, but from what I've seen so far following the scene is somehow professionalize the Tier 2 ecosystem even further, that means putting more strict measures, ruling, and qualifications. Build from the ground up with more capable staffing who can support the players even more.
We're seeing new growths like Delight, Crest, even BC SWELL. It's just how many more orgs are willing to invest.
this is a good read.
TL;DR Tier 1 talent in Japan is effectively bottlenecked with the amount of complications with new orgs coming in with less standards, complicated stipulations and the amount of support Tier 2/Challengers have domestically that sometimes outweigh the possibility of going up to being signed with the likes of ZETA or DFM/CR.
Indonesia being the biggest potential market is because the lack of Indonesian streamers and support since the exclusivity compared to the other regions; like you said, seemingly the Thai viewership were more willing to give SOOP a chance; most Indonesians didn't.
While there's an argument the EN (and other local language) viewership could've also been prioritized, having Indonesia opened to multi-streaming to (in all certainty a business decision) reclaim the viewership of the Indonesian fans in particular meant that any potential changes in the future hinges on whether or not this experiment succeeded.
Biggest potential market and honestly I'd argue we were the most vocal against the exclusivity
Literally stuck/thriving (depends on what your angle is) in Challengers due to contracts (and the amount of popularity/money being more enticing there compared to playing in Tier 1)
PRX picked Lotus it's joever for DFM
DFM's Lotus is 0-5. Never doubted them.
I don't care if it's against ZETA for now or if they lost this match
Oh my god I'm seeing shades of old CR returning without the LAN choke problems.
Calmer calling, more decisive rotations and engagements, they don't get flustered so easily- I don't care if it's against ZETA for now or if they lost this match, but you can see how much more COMFORTABLE the players are with their plays.
Most likely spread out, but Akame did have IGL experiences back when he's in Reject. Jinboong has done calling before too but I'd lean to Akame.
....we have RBHG, SOOP Valorant League, and Project Blender already announced so far. And it's not called the OFF//SEASON anymore, it's now the Partner Series.
Not even related since he's talking about T2 - there are legitimately popular domestic orgs in Japan like Riddle and Fennel. Even Reject and NOEZ FOXX has some good engagements behind them.
Also in general, Challengers in Japan is always a show.
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Wrong input, mb
No? It's EWC's fault.
What do you mean 4? 3 of them are from the Partnership programme which meant they match Riot's criteria.
NS/SPG won through Ascension.
If you think about it, SEA was merged from ID, PH, MY/SG, TW/HK, VN, and TH. That's 6 slots. It's compensating from the original amount of subregions, but still giving room for the previously Ascended teams.
Also at this point yall/we're won't be satisfied for any reason. This is another good progress for now to restore.
https://x.com/AG_VALORANT/status/1938839786438951358?t=TngspNBbuOy-I26mX1o2KA&s=19
Paris left the team.
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If you want more context into the fine, here's the full ruling: https://competitiveops.riotgames.com/en-US/rulings/team-liquid
But to highlight, they broke two rules in particular:
Art. 8.2 Team Uniform.
Players must wear approved apparel (“Team Uniform”) to all official matches. The Team Uniform includes the following mandatory elements: Team Jerseys, Legwear, and Shoes.Art. 4.3 Conditional Categories.
Sponsorships in any of the Conditional Categories for each League [...] may be conditionally approved by the League Entity in its sole discretion on a case-by-case and region-by-region basis in accordance with Applicable Law and other criteria established by the League Entity [...] Notwithstanding the foregoing, unless prior express written approval is provided by League Entity, sponsorships that fall under any of the Conditional Categories shall not be placed on any Team Uniform and shall not be promoted or displayed at global events or International Competitions (i.e., Masters and Champions). [...].
With coinbase technically fall under crypto and not betting, OP isn't exactly wrong - however, this opens a new dimension of interpretations that these new set of rules are placed because of it.
You've already seen it with Liquid – their coinbase sponsorship wasn't allowed in Global Events like Bangkok but allowed for regional events like EMEA. In fact, they were fined for accidentally showing it in the first day of broadcast.
They'll live.
Inherently? They seem to just can't grasp of the meta. Jinboong, Akame, and meiy are all the firepower DFM has and while gyen has been serviceable, it's clear he's not the rookie talent I was once hypes up to be and honestly looked better with SSeeS. Melof is still a sub-par coach and I want to see a more proven/veteran coach besides NorthernLights since he's still so young.
Also, Art at this point is a liability with his tendencies.
I know everybody in here practically has a bone to pick regarding the treatment of SEA especially in Challengers and the dissolvement of half of the Pacific's leagues. You're angry, and I am too.
I've been debating whether or not to post this because I don't want to see myself as a 'glazer', but I feel the need to post this to share my perspective about what a few of us has been doing to bridge the communication gap between the community and SOOP.
First things first. Before Split 1, several community members have opened a dialog to the SOOP team regarding the treatment and fate of SEA. It was a lengthy talk and there was a lot of feedback, some are honestly will be hard to execute. And truthfully, the relationship has been cordial, and that's with the myriad of issues like the confusion of the relegation seedings which happened twice now in both splits.
However, I would also like to point out that the team behind the scenes have been nothing but communicative and receptive. Don't get me wrong: there's still a long ways to go. However, direct feedback and communication meant that we can attempt to raise any concern almost immediately, pending any changes.
We've also been trying to push the promotion of the National/Regional/T3 circuit with the downgrade of the subregions due to the consolidation. While some leagues have bigger TOs like Vietnam with ON Live and Thailand under Innvate, the rest of the leagues like Indonesia having a newcomer in Mineski, MY/SG with Berryfam, and Philippines with DLS meant there's currently a push for better regional representation despite the downgrade.
So, what's for the future? Do we just sit still and accept this is our reality? No. While I have used strong words regarding the treatment of the league, but I understand there's a need for a more cordial communication. Being angry works and it DOES work so far, but there's also a need of balance. There should be hopefully more changes on the horizon, and please if you guys have any concerns, lead it on me.
Thanks for reading, if not, allat.
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