For example, game changers and then sau paulo.
Genuinely curious, as i understand with normal sports where there is a physical difference but in esports this isnt the case.
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meadows [#3]Try not to think about it if it’s confusing for you. Eventually you will mature and understand
doesn't really take any maturity to understand but ok
Manaphy [#4]It's more about talent than biology. More men and boys play games therefore a bigger talent pool and a higher chance for talent.
if women are looking to compete with men in the future they shouldn't isolate their competition
asdfgh [#6]if women are looking to compete with men in the future they shouldn't isolate their competition
That's the point if there is no isolation we wouldn't even see women compete. Plus multiple gc teams have tried to qualify but couldn't.
Cresp [#9]Women and other marginalized groups (not cis males) dont get opportunity so riot made league so they can get better opportunity and improve experience for them in esport.🦅🇧🇷🇨🇦🇺🇸🗿🗿🗿
ah i see
Manaphy [#10]That's the point if there is no isolation we wouldn't even see women compete. Plus multiple gc teams have tried to qualify but couldn't.
ok i guess if you wanna see women compete but it doesnt make them any better
Manaphy [#10]That's the point if there is no isolation we wouldn't even see women compete. Plus multiple gc teams have tried to qualify but couldn't.
there is no isolation lol. women can play in regular VCT. atm most gc teams get stomped. that might change later, or not. individually the top gc teams all have decent t2 players. That is all.
asdfgh [#14]ok i guess if you wanna see women compete but it doesnt make them any better
The only thing that can improve the quality of play is more girls and women trying to go pro so then competition breeds more competitive teams and increases the scenes viewership and fanbase so that orgs are more willing to invest into women's rosters which at that point more co-ed teams would exist.
asdfgh [#14]ok i guess if you wanna see women compete but it doesnt make them any better
The goal is to pull more women into competing in the first place. The hope is that some of them might eventually take the next step, join a co-ed roster and do something of significance in the main circuit. Without game changers, you just have no women competing at all and no hope of that scenario panning out.
ash_knuckles [#15]there is no isolation lol. women can play in regular VCT. atm most gc teams get stomped. that might change later, or not. individually the top gc teams all have decent t2 players. That is all.
the top gc dont have decent or even tier 2 players for the most part lets be real,they literally lose to some no name teams every time they have tried to play in some open circuit qualifiers,the only one who is tier 2 proven is bob
asdfgh [#6]if women are looking to compete with men in the future they shouldn't isolate their competition
the core idea is to bring more visibility and
more visibility = more playerbase
people like to think it is riot's moral compass but there is definitely a business side talking
asdfgh [#18]the top gc dont have decent or even tier 2 players for the most part lets be real,they literally lose to some no name teams every time they have tried to play in some open circuit qualifiers,the only one who is tier 2 proven is bob
i can literally place my mortgage on the fact that bob and all of v1 (maybe not alexis idk) would do pretty alright in t2 individually lol. sarah's had decent individual showings by herself in t2 tourneys
Selex [#17]The goal is to pull more women into competing in the first place. The hope is that some of them might eventually take the next step, join a co-ed roster and do something of significance in the main circuit. Without game changers, you just have no women competing at all and no hope of that scenario panning out.
ok but isnt this the exact same between men and regions/countries who are not as interested or are under represented because they are not good enough ,there is already a pretty big women playerbase in valo,its just that the players arent good enough,and they dont get better if they just play against other girls at a really low level,no one is gonna sign a girl player who does amazing in gc even over a mediocre tier 2 player
ash_knuckles [#20]i can literally place my mortgage on the fact that bob and all of v1 (maybe not alexis idk) would do pretty alright in t2 individually lol. sarah's had decent individual showings by herself in t2 tourneys
because of?,is it that their chemistry just sucks ass or why cant they perform at a tier 2 level as a team,or any gc team in general
asdfgh [#21]ok but isnt this the exact same between men and regions/countries who are not as interested or are under represented because they are not good enough ,there is already a pretty big women playerbase in valo,its just that the players arent good enough,and they dont get better if they just play against other girls at a really low level,no one is gonna sign a girl player who does amazing in gc even over a mediocre tier 2 player
The problem is a lot of them aren't putting in an effort to go pro. There can be a big playerbase of casual fans vs a small playerbase of absolute grinders and the smaller playerbase would end up with the better players.
3cmtotal [#19]the core idea is to bring more visibility and
more visibility = more playerbase
people like to think it is riot's moral compass but there is definitely a business side talking
bro why are you acting like there isnt already a lot of girls playing valo,theres probably a bigger girl playerbase in valorant than some countries who have tier 1 level players
Other genders are not banned from playing in the main league they just can't qualify into it
Gc is for them to compete and have better skill so they can actually qualify into the main league
I mean version1 Literally dropped their male roster for a female one
also to showcase their potential to a wider audience
asdfgh [#24]bro why are you acting like there isnt already a lot of girls playing valo,theres probably a bigger girl playerbase in valorant than some countries who have tier 1 level players
A lot of girls play the game but not a lot are in the pro scene
Manaphy [#23]The problem is a lot of them aren't putting in an effort to go pro. There can be a big playerbase of casual fans vs a small playerbase of absolute grinders and the smaller playerbase would end up with the better players.
so why are they not putting in the effort to go pro? And why is that not their problem to deal with,thats the case with esports in general,for example in eu no one tries to go pro in cod or even sees that as a real thing but i still think eu has some players in the cdl even tho the playerbase is casual af compared to the us for example
asdfgh [#27]so why are they not putting in the effort to go pro? And why is that not their problem to deal with,thats the case with esports in general,for example in eu no one tries to go pro in cod or even sees that as a real thing but i still think eu has some players in the cdl even tho the playerbase is casual af compared to the us for example
Nobody said it wasn't their problem to deal with I'm just pointing out why the scene is the way it is. The cdl's eu players are mostly uk and even they are a small percentage of the cdl.
Manaphy [#16]The only thing that can improve the quality of play is more girls and women trying to go pro so then competition breeds more competitive teams and increases the scenes viewership and fanbase so that orgs are more willing to invest into women's rosters which at that point more co-ed teams would exist.
just getting girls interested in going pro doesnt make it more competitive,if they wanna improve they will still have to play against men at some point,and to keep the level capped for women and have game changers as a "safe space" for them where they can play against other not so good women doesn't breed better players
Manaphy [#28]Nobody said it wasn't their problem to deal with I'm just pointing out why the scene is the way it is. The cdl's eu players are mostly uk and even they are a small percentage of the cdl.
yeah and its still a thing,theres not a single woman player good enough to join a franchise or even challengers in any region
i think its more about most girls not having a competitive or the right mind set in general to reach the top level
asdfgh [#29]just getting girls interested in going pro doesnt make it more competitive,if they wanna improve they will still have to play against men at some point,and to keep the level capped for women and have game changers as a "safe space" for them where they can play against other not so good women doesn't breed better players
But they have been going against men they just aren't good enough to qualify.
asdfgh [#21]ok but isnt this the exact same between men and regions/countries who are not as interested or are under represented because they are not good enough ,there is already a pretty big women playerbase in valo,its just that the players arent good enough,and they dont get better if they just play against other girls at a really low level,no one is gonna sign a girl player who does amazing in gc even over a mediocre tier 2 player
Valo definitely has a large player base of women but how many of them are actually grinding the shit out of the game with the intention(or maybe not even the intention) of going pro? I can't tell you the ratio of men vs women doing this, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was literally 1000 to 1 despite valo have a huge female player-base(40% i think?).
This is one of the major reasons men dominate in e-sports. Besides the minor differences in reaction time, the greater tendency of men to throw them self into such competition is what creates such crazy disparity. Realistically, there is no way to address this, there will always be far more men in e-sports but a good start is to make it as easy as possible for women to enter competition. That is what game changers is doing.
And yes, no main circuit team is gonna recruit a gc player just because she's popping off, but a t2 hopeful team might. No one is expecting this to quickly work. It might be futile, but there's nothing wrong with putting in effort to try to elevate the level of play of women.
asdfgh [#22]because of?,is it that their chemistry just sucks ass or why cant they perform at a tier 2 level as a team,or any gc team in general
prolly something along those lines. plus meL might not be as great an IGL as she is a player. she's easily clears every gc igl, but against actual teams, not so much.
Individually they can easily keep up with good players, and i think stuff like tarik's Pro City helped me kinda verify that(there is a clear diff btw v1's players and other gc players if u go through vods).
I have high hopes for them tho, as chemistry problems are pretty trivial, and by the end of the year we will see where they truly fall.
asdfgh [#30]yeah and its still a thing,theres not a single woman player good enough to join a franchise or even challengers in any region
i think its more about most girls not having a competitive or the right mind set in general to reach the top level
so all we can hope for is more girls and women to start trying to go pro.
Selex [#34]Valo definitely has a large player base of women but how many of them are actually grinding the shit out of the game with the intention(or maybe not even the intention) of going pro? I can't tell you the ratio of men vs women doing this, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was literally 1000 to 1 despite valo have a huge female player-base(40% i think?).
This is one of the major reasons men dominate in e-sports. Besides the minor differences in reaction time, the greater tendency of men to throw them self into such competition is what creates such crazy disparity. Realistically, there is no way to address this, there will always be far more men in e-sports but a good start is to make it as easy as possible for women to enter competition. That is what game changers is doing.
And yes, no main circuit team is gonna recruit a gc player just because she's popping off, but a t2 hopeful team might. No one is expecting this to quickly work. It might be futile, but there's nothing wrong with putting in effort to try to elevate the level of play of women.
that's the problem,men and women are not equal in most things sadly even tho its a great idea or utopia to have,if women want to be seen as equal and compete against men they should treat themselves like men and compete exactly the same
ash_knuckles [#35]prolly something along those lines. plus meL might not be as great an IGL as she is a player. she's easily clears every gc igl, but against actual teams, not so much.
Individually they can easily keep up with good players, and i think stuff like tarik's Pro City helped me kinda verify that(there is a clear diff btw v1's players and other gc players if u go through vods).
I have high hopes for them tho, as chemistry problems are pretty trivial, and by the end of the year we will see where they truly fall.
bro you are talking about tarik pro city pugs, even dasnerth or prod can shit on pro 5 stacks on a good day, especially in a game like valorant where the skill ceiling is not that high mechanically its way easier to look good individually even if u are not that great of a player,only at the highest level you start to see a clear difference between people who only have decent aim and good players
Manaphy [#36]so all we can hope for is more girls and women to start trying to go pro.
sure but that is not my point,how is there already not a single girl in the whole world who has done that,another example against this is league,it has a massive girl playerbase but in like 12 years theres not 1 girl who has managed to make it to even tier 2 i think,and in league you cant even make the argument that girls are "harassed" or discouraged because you dont even have voice chat
asdfgh [#40]sure but that is not my point,how is there already not a single girl in the whole world who has done that,another example against this is league,it has a massive girl playerbase but in like 12 years theres not 1 girl who has managed to make it to even tier 2 i think,and in league you cant even make the argument that girls are "harassed" or discouraged because you dont even have voice chat
Bro what do you want me to say, they just haven't gotten there yet.
Manaphy [#41]Bro what do you want me to say, they just haven't gotten there yet.
yeah if it takes you over 12 years as a whole gender to not produce 1 good player in game that has a pretty big female player base idk what will take you there,infact i can only find 1 player in general who has made it to the top in any esports as a female and she is some Korean ow player, so idk how delusional you must be to think women will start popping up in tier 1 and 2 because of representation and gc
in the most resepctful way it is a mentality and skill issue
asdfgh [#39]bro you are talking about tarik pro city pugs, even dasnerth or prod can shit on pro 5 stacks on a good day, especially in a game like valorant where the skill ceiling is not that high mechanically its way easier to look good individually even if u are not that great of a player,only at the highest level you start to see a clear difference between people who only have decent aim and good players
to be able to consistently keep up with high level pugs where (i assume) most are actively trying to win has to speak to individual capability to some miniscule degree imo (case in point: N4RRATE). Otherwise there is no data to support my statement then, except sarah's stints.
All this is simply postulation based on scarce amounts of evidence anyway. I never implied it was anything else. If they're decent, they will prove it by the end of the year. If they're shit, oh well.
ash_knuckles [#43]to be able to consistently keep up with high level pugs where (i assume) most are actively trying to win has to speak to individual capability to some miniscule degree imo (case in point: N4RRATE). Otherwise there is no data to support my statement then, except sarah's stints.
All this is simply postulation based on scarce amounts of evidence anyway. I never implied it was anything else. If they're decent, they will prove it by the end of the year. If they're shit, oh well.
bro no offence but this is just coping,if you change this from girls to any region or other group of people you would have been called delusion long time ago
asdfgh [#42]yeah if it takes you over 12 years as a whole gender to not produce 1 good player in game that has a pretty big female player base idk what will take you there,infact i can only find 1 player in general who has made it to the top in any esports as a female and she is some Korean ow player, so idk how delusional you must be to think women will start popping up in tier 1 and 2 because of representation and gc
in the most resepctful way it is a mentality and skill issue
I literally didn't say anything about representation making them better or them just magically getting good.
asdfgh [#45]bro no offence but this is just coping,if you change this from girls to any region or other group of people you would have been called delusion long time ago
i'd say it's justified to a degree lol. everyone was calling n4rrate a ranked player before he got teleported to challengers, and so far he hasn't been shitting the bed. There is SOME merit to consistent showings in pugs (honestly can't believe i'm saying this lmao), believe it or not.
asdfgh [#37]that's the problem,men and women are not equal in most things sadly even tho its a great idea or utopia to have,if women want to be seen as equal and compete against men they should treat themselves like men and compete exactly the same
Lol sorry, you just sound like an asshole. Doing this is better than doing nothing. People also just want to see woman compete in valorant, even if they never get good enough to make it to the main circuit. Game changers kills two birds with one stone. Please stop your bitching.
Manaphy [#46]I literally didn't say anything about representation making them better or them just magically getting good.
well what is gonna make them good because they are clearly a bit slower in the development of their scene than other groups of people,the best and most efficient way would be for them to try to get to tier 2 or 3 teams individually from tryouts,and get expereince against better teams to improve themselves and their scene at the same time
asdfgh [#49]well what is gonna make them good because they are clearly a bit slower in the development of their scene than other groups of people,the best and most efficient way would be for them to try to get to tier 2 or 3 teams individually from tryouts,and get expereince against better teams to improve themselves and their scene at the same time
I gave you multiple reasons you can reread them if you would like.
Selex [#48]Lol sorry, you just sound like an asshole. Doing this is better than doing nothing. People also just want to see woman compete in valorant, even if they never get good enough to make it to the main circuit. Game changers kills two birds with one stone. Please stop your bitching.
ok?,im not trying to be nice at all because people are so delusional about the purpose of gc or what its gonna do for female players,i never said there is a problem with game changers being a thing,its good that they can get representation and their own platform,but its nothing more than the wnba of valorant and has nothing to do with developing the female scene overall
Manaphy [#31]But they have been going against men they just aren't good enough to qualify.
well then they should try harder like everyone else lol
koromast [#50]the 3 genders male female and sao paulo
one is not like the others...
male and female would never empty the stadium quickly after an EMEA team wins
asdfgh [#52]ok?,im not trying to be nice at all because people are so delusional about the purpose of gc or what its gonna do for female players,i never said there is a problem with game changers being a thing,its good that they can get representation and their own platform,but its nothing more than the wnba of valorant and has nothing to do with developing the female scene overall
Being hopeful≠delusional. E-sports≠Physical sports. It's impossible for biological women to compete with men in almost all physical sports. Just because it hasn't happened in valorant and it's unlikely to happen in the near future doesn't mean it will never happen. But you can stew in your pessimism if you wish. I'm done responding.
Manaphy [#51]I gave you multiple reasons you can reread them if you would like.
yes and all ur reasons lead back to the exact same point,mentality and mindset,u said it has more to do with biology than talent but biology is exactly the reason we are in this situation where woman feel the need to have their own safe competition because they are not good enough,i simply said the best way for women to improve is to grind like everyone else and drop the excuses
Selex [#57]Being hopeful≠delusional. E-sports≠Physical sports. It's impossible for biological women to compete with men in almost all physical sports. Just because it hasn't happened in valorant and it's unlikely to happen in the near future doesn't mean it will never happen. But you can stew in your pessimism if you wish. I'm done responding.
as you can stew in your delusions too,men are also better in spatial coordination and reaction time witch help you a lot in gaming, its also proven that men's brains are more systemic and analytical ,if you think about the evolutionary roles of men and women it should be pretty simple to understand why men are more advanced in most tactical and physical activities witch leads to men dominating most competitive activites in general and witch is why there is rarely women who are so good they would get picked over any man, I would consider it a achievement if 1 girl makes it to franchising in valorant in the next 5 years
asdfgh [#58]yes and all ur reasons lead back to the exact same point,mentality and mindset,u said it has more to do with biology than talent but biology is exactly the reason we are in this situation where woman feel the need to have their own safe competition because they are not good enough,i simply said the best way for women to improve is to grind like everyone else and drop the excuses
I haven't made one excuse, I'm simply telling you the reality of what is happening and it's your choice to ignore me.
Scar98 [#56]one is not like the others...
male and female would never empty the stadium quickly after an EMEA team wins
joke wasnt that deep
Manaphy [#60]I haven't made one excuse, I'm simply telling you the reality of what is happening and it's your choice to ignore me.
the reality of whats happening is that women arent good enough to compete with men for the most part even in valorant or video games in general at a top level
asdfgh [#62]the reality of whats happening is that women arent good enough to compete with men for the most part even in valorant or video games in general at a top level
And I told you every reason we can do to fix that while still giving them represention so orgs can look at the possibility of signing them or getting involved in the scene. If you simply believe women can never make it there that's what you believe and I can't change your mind on that.
ash_knuckles [#55]Im 100% sure there isn't a SINGLE thread on this topic with <50 comments LOL. Oh well, it is a pretty interesting debate.
<50 means less than
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Manaphy [#64]And I told you every reason we can do to fix that while still giving them represention so orgs can look at the possibility of signing them or getting involved in the scene. If you simply believe women can never make it there that's what you believe and I can't change your mind on that.
you just said that your reasons had nothing to do with representation making girls better,but now u are saying exactly that
asdfgh [#67]you just said that your reasons had nothing to do with representation making girls better,but now u are saying exactly that
I'm saying having represention can lead to orgs looking at picking them up and giving them better equipment and facilities so that they could maybe boot camp, not as in represention directly make their skill increase.
Bonkbonk201 [#68]Does anyone actually know like 100% whether it's like "legal" for a t1-t2 team in the male league to actually pick up a female player or what, i don't know whether it's allowed and just no one does it or if it's legit just not allowed
There's nothing illegal about it. There's just no point as no GC players are good enough to play at that level yet.
Manaphy [#69]I'm saying having represention can lead to orgs looking at picking them up and giving them better equipment and facilities so that they could maybe boot camp, not as in represention directly make their skill increase.
bro what orgs,a lot of the big/medium sized orgs literally have gc team and if ur talking about the main orgs picking them from gc idk what ur smoking
asdfgh [#71]bro what orgs,a lot of the big/medium sized orgs literally have gc team and if ur talking about the main orgs picking them from gc idk what ur smoking
There are multiple good fa teams that haven't gotten picked up by an org because orgs don't feel like they are worth the investment. It's harder to go pro if an org isn't willing to back you financially.
ash_knuckles [#47]i'd say it's justified to a degree lol. everyone was calling n4rrate a ranked player before he got teleported to challengers, and so far he hasn't been shitting the bed. There is SOME merit to consistent showings in pugs (honestly can't believe i'm saying this lmao), believe it or not.
pugs mean absolutely nothing,they didnt pick him up because he was good in pugs they probably tried out multiple people and he did good
Manaphy [#72]There are multiple good fa teams that haven't gotten picked up by an org because orgs don't feel like they are worth the investment. It's harder to go pro if an org isn't willing to back you financially.
bro this is just next level coping,gc has tons of orgs investing despite the skill level being like tier 3,that is not a excuse
asdfgh [#74]bro this is just next level coping,gc has tons of orgs investing despite the skill level being like tier 3,that is not a excuse
Half the teams in the top 16 NA open quals don't have an org bro, that doesn't sound like a ton of orgs.
asdfgh [#73]pugs mean absolutely nothing,they didnt pick him up because he was good in pugs they probably tried out multiple people and he did good
pugs themselves mean nothing but to say that they do not indicate to ANY degree AT ALL how good a player is individually is a dumb take.
tired of arguing cause i don't even disagree with your overall take. GC does little to improve the women's scene, it's moreso just to attract more female players.
V1 is focusing on co-ed results, and we shall be where they lie by the end of the year. That is all. There is no argument here.
Manaphy [#75]Half the teams in the top 16 NA open quals don't have an org bro, that doesn't sound like a ton of orgs.
and? Why can you make excuses to the end of the world for the womens scene for not improving but these excuses would never be valid for any scene that has the same issues you claim women have,you literally have
eg,dsg,gen g,faze,shopify,v1,col,clg,misfits,xset all in NA alone and that is apparently "not enough",mean while look at eu regional leagues like polaris,theres literally like 2 serious orgs
asdfgh [#24]bro why are you acting like there isnt already a lot of girls playing valo,theres probably a bigger girl playerbase in valorant than some countries who have tier 1 level players
It's not more visibility to bring in casual players. Twitch streamers do that better than anyone.
It's to show that if you're good enough, there's a scene where you can compete.
It's the same as what guys had 20years ago when esports was starting to gain a lot of traction, and growth.
It's giving them a role model to use as inspiration to grind and then compete. Much like how the most swedish pro cs players mostly have get right and forest as their biggest inspiration growing up.
If they have someone they idolise, who's competing in events. It's the inspiration that the players can give off to impact the development of the competitive scene for girls.
Right now it wont be able to compete against the mainstream competitions, as guys have like 20-25years of development ahead of girls when it comes to fps competition, and generally any competition in video games. So it wont be an instantaneous catchup, but GC is created in hopes that it will speed up the development of a competitive scene for girls.
Raevus [#78]It's not more visibility to bring in casual players. Twitch streamers do that better than anyone.
It's to show that if you're good enough, there's a scene where you can compete.It's the same as what guys had 20years ago when esports was starting to gain a lot of traction, and growth.
It's giving them a role model to use as inspiration to grind and then compete. Much like how the most swedish pro cs players mostly have get right and forest as their biggest inspiration growing up.If they have someone they idolise, who's competing in events. It's the inspiration that the players can give off to impact the development of the competitive scene for girls.
Right now it wont be able to compete against the mainstream competitions, as guys have like 20-25years of development ahead of girls when it comes to fps competition, and generally any competition in video games. So it wont be an instantaneous catchup, but GC is created in hopes that it will speed up the development of a competitive scene for girls.
the only problem is that their idols are bad at the game,a role model would be someone who actually grinds their way to tier 1 to show them its possible and they dont need to settle for some glorified tier 3 competition, but ofc i understand its to gain more players and give women competition a platform,its the exact same as womens sports leagues,why cant a woman have a male player as a idol if they are better, anyone who has the competitive mindset to be the best doesn't need this type of shit,what is the difference in development if a girl picks up a mouse and keyboard and decides she wants to play the game professionally, they all literally play in the exact same servers vs guy players its not like they are excluded from good practice or "development" like some regions for example
asdfgh [#77]and? Why can you make excuses to the end of the world for the womens scene for not improving but these excuses would never be valid for any scene that has the same issues you claim women have,you literally have
eg,dsg,gen g,faze,shopify,v1,col,clg,misfits,xset all in NA alone and that is apparently "not enough",mean while look at eu regional leagues like polaris,theres literally like 2 serious orgs
Who said that reason wasn't valid for the vcl's. I do think they should but they just don't just like there are plenty of free agent GC teams that don't. All im saying is it's harder to go pro when you don't have financial backing from an org just like the free agent teams in the vcl. I'm not saying GC should get first priority over the vcl teams I'm just saying org backing is a good way to help develop the scene.
Bonkbonk201 [#68]Does anyone actually know like 100% whether it's like "legal" for a t1-t2 team in the male league to actually pick up a female player or what, i don't know whether it's allowed and just no one does it or if it's legit just not allowed
it would be allowed VCL and VCT leagues arent "male leagues" and GC isnt a "female league either". The thing is 90% of GC players would get absolutely stomped and 9.9% wouldnt get absolutely stomped and only like 5 players in all of GC have a chance to compete in T2 valorant. But skill is only one of the many reasons a GC player wouldn't want to play in VCL and VCT
Manaphy [#80]Who said that reason wasn't valid for the vcl's. I do think they should but they just don't just like there are plenty of free agent GC teams that don't. All im saying is it's harder to go pro when you don't have financial backing from an org just like the free agent teams in the vcl. I'm not saying GC should get first priority over the vcl teams I'm just saying org backing is a good way to help develop the scene.
orgs are literally backing them massively this is simply not a issue,orgs are backing them more than most tier 2 scenes
at what point is it on the girls themselves to improve without the whole scene literally carrying them in the hopes that they produce even 1 decent player
ash_knuckles [#20]i can literally place my mortgage on the fact that bob and all of v1 (maybe not alexis idk) would do pretty alright in t2 individually lol. sarah's had decent individual showings by herself in t2 tourneys
individually, yeah they would probably not do poorly but as a team against VCL teams, lol no. Or maybe not, who knows, maybe GC teams are actually doing good in scrims but we dont know because no one has publicly stated such
Bonkbonk201 [#68]Does anyone actually know like 100% whether it's like "legal" for a t1-t2 team in the male league to actually pick up a female player or what, i don't know whether it's allowed and just no one does it or if it's legit just not allowed
Everyone can do it, but there's no reason to do it
asdfgh [#82]orgs are literally backing them massively this is simply not a issue,orgs are backing them more than most tier 2 scenes
at what point is it on the girls themselves to improve without the whole scene literally carrying them in the hopes that they produce even 1 decent player
We literally agree on the fact that teir 2 vcl needs backing, but what I'm saying is tha of the 32 teams in NA and Brazil quals 15 of them don't have orgs. If vcl and GC could get orgs that would be amazing, but that's simply not the case. I was only explaining how we could better the GC scene since the original discussion was about the GC scene.
asdfgh [#79]the only problem is that their idols are bad at the game,a role model would be someone who actually grinds their way to tier 1 to show them its possible and they dont need to settle for some glorified tier 3 competition, but ofc i understand its to gain more players and give women competition a platform,its the exact same as womens sports leagues,why cant a woman have a male player as a idol if they are better, anyone who has the competitive mindset to be the best doesn't need this type of shit,what is the difference in development if a girl picks up a mouse and keyboard and decides she wants to play the game professionally, they all literally play in the exact same servers vs guy players its not like they are excluded from good practice or "development" like some regions for example
It's a lot easier for a girl to relate to another girl.
It's been that way for guys aswell.
It's also been that way through normal sports aswell. Given a few outliers, but in general people tend to idolise who they can relate more with.
Most Gc teams also try to qual for t1/2 events. Most of the current GC teams were in the ascension open quals. they just didnt manage to make it.
Th whole point of Gc is to catch up on the development that girls didn't get for the past 20 years or so. Esports, and even the games industry tens to be a boys club, and has only started shifting heavily in the past 10-15 years. Right now the Gc teams might not seem like much, but in 5-10 years, it'll be a complete different beast. we're still in the early days of the girl scene being developed, and with the support and interest it's garnering amongst people, it'll grow insanely fast.
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