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after chamber nurf which pro will fall?
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moatz [#4]i think players like derke, ardiis, and sayf will fall
sayf? he still puts up good numbers on nerfed jett
Thiag0_ [#10]yay is good with jett as well derke who is also good with raze
yay hasn't played jett since the nerf tho, but he will be good on her for sure
moatz [#4]i think players like derke, ardiis, and sayf will fall
when jett was meta and derke was playing her he was considered one of the best jetts lmao
SAatanansammakko [#14]when jett was meta and derke was playing her he was considered one of the best jetts lmao
but that was in emea. he didn't fare so well against tougher opponents like those in na
moatz [#15]but that was in emea. he didn't fare so well against tougher opponents like those in na
what do u mean by "tougher opponents like those in na"...NA's best team lost against 3rd seed Emea
moatz [#15]but that was in emea. he didn't fare so well against tougher opponents like those in na
Not saying he didn’t fare well against other tougher opponents, but when it comes to NA, last time he faced NA he absolutely shit on c9. Now i don’t think c9 was that tough but still
Deadpanmitten94 [#17]Not saying he didn’t fare well against other tougher opponents, but when it comes to NA, last time he faced NA he absolutely shit on c9. Now i don’t think c9 was that tough but still
also on drx/vision strikers at champs with both jett and raze
mave [#20]also on drx/vision strikers at champs with both jett and raze
Yeah I didn’t really feel like going back and checking, but i feel like this most recent masters was his only “lackluster” performance (if you can even call it that) everything else was crazy despite how fnc did on the whole
mave [#12]yay hasn't played jett since the nerf tho, but he will be good on her for sure
Derke? not good with raze
Yay? not good with raze
people are forgetting until alfa came derke was the only jett player/ fragger who could play raze to a high level. firstly chamber isnt nerfed enough to force teams to leave him out and secondly derke can easily switch to whatever is the meta duelist. that guy has played sova, he can play any role(any duelist)
symbols07 [#33]people are forgetting until alfa came derke was the only jett player/ fragger who could play raze to a high level. firstly chamber isnt nerfed enough to force teams to leave him out and secondly derke can easily switch to whatever is the meta duelist. that guy has played sova, he can play any role(any duelist)
alfa doesn't really play jett right?
soonwookong [#40]alfa doesn't really play jett right?
no i meant the competition before this alfa enzo iteration of fnatic was different. we didnt see almost any top jett player playing raze other than derke. be it yay sayaplayer in liquid or in g2 or in any asian team in masters 1. there was an exclusive jett player and an exclusive raze player
JustHunter [#39]derke will peak again, yay will peak again, tenz will drop off cause hes gonna start playing chamber,
yay and derke were not as good as chamber meta before chamber came out .
symbols07 [#41]no i meant the competition before this alfa enzo iteration of fnatic was different. we didnt see almost any top jett player playing raze other than derke. be it yay sayaplayer in liquid or in g2 or in any asian team in masters 1. there was an exclusive jett player and an exclusive raze player
ah that makes more sense
mave [#12]yay hasn't played jett since the nerf tho, but he will be good on her for sure
yay played her in grandfinals, looked great
moatz [#4]i think players like derke, ardiis, and sayf will fall
If they become really bad they can just go to NA and steal paychecks like every other dogshit "pro" there
moatz [#4]i think players like derke, ardiis, and sayf will fall
ardiis and sayf are some of the most flexible star players
Deadpanmitten94 [#7]Dicey MIGHT. Depends on how well he can learn. But he came back as a chamber abuser and idk if he’ll adapt. We’ll see if chamber even falls out of meta.
i actually remember dicey playing skye initially with faze and he was doing really well, so i doubt it affect him as much as people think
VirajKnight [#32]Mixwell as he is now Chamber 1 trick and bad dualist.
You literally mentioned worst chamber ffs
moatz [#13]he'll prob do better than derke and ardiis. i think they'll all do well on jett in emea
but once they face tough international competition, that's when i think they'll fall
i think there will be a role switch on guild if they qual for champions. sayf might go back to playing the sentinel and flex role (if guild +twisten)
enri [#51]You literally mentioned worst chamber ffs
He's not bad with chamber, he's just abysmal with every other character
symbols07 [#33]people are forgetting until alfa came derke was the only jett player/ fragger who could play raze to a high level. firstly chamber isnt nerfed enough to force teams to leave him out and secondly derke can easily switch to whatever is the meta duelist. that guy has played sova, he can play any role(any duelist)
could derke or alfajer learn neon if chamber meta ends? like neon haven, neon fracture, neon icebox... idk derke doesnt play that kind of style even though neon is in the meta right now, especially with her ult buff.
BBL_Wtcn [#53]Players like Yay who sit like a turret for the whole round will definitely be impacted but we don’t know the scale of the impact yet
Yay will be fine, he’s played Sage, Breach, Jett, and Reyna in his career all at a very high level
hekzy [#47]If they become really bad they can just go to NA and steal paychecks like every other dogshit "pro" there
yea from the tier 3 scene prolly
M0K1 [#24]Derke? not good with raze
Yay? not good with raze
STATS
mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate
RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)
can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game
I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.
heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze
Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)
iTzJ4son [#38]dicey is pretty good on raze and jett
Oh yeah i forgot it isn’t Dicey who plays Jett. It’s Babybay
unknown_trash [#56]could derke or alfajer learn neon if chamber meta ends? like neon haven, neon fracture, neon icebox... idk derke doesnt play that kind of style even though neon is in the meta right now, especially with her ult buff.
he could/should, but its mostly like if fnatic want to adopt neon, coz yeah she's good but we have seen chet and other players saying that neon is tough to make use of, it needs extra work whereas raze is much easier to adopt in the comp. also i have seen alfa play raze in ranked and he's good at it, so it must be that fnatic didnt think it was needed till masters 2, they might change things though with the amount of time they have
amyayayy [#45]yay played her in grandfinals, looked great
where? against loud it was still old jett
moatz [#15]but that was in emea. he didn't fare so well against tougher opponents like those in na
Tell me you didn’t watch champions without telling me you didn’t watch champions
moatz [#4]i think players like derke, ardiis, and sayf will fall
ardiis plays kayo more than chamber
Deadpanmitten94 [#7]Dicey MIGHT. Depends on how well he can learn. But he came back as a chamber abuser and idk if he’ll adapt. We’ll see if chamber even falls out of meta.
dicey used to grind skye for more than a year
Players that will fall off without a doubt- Most of the NA players like tex, dicey, bdog. Optic will see a heavy toll, esp when they will have to change up their comps, it wont be the same optic we have seen before. Internationally tacolilla, a lot of the SEA chamber 1 tricks.
Teams that will thrive on this nerf- 100T, Guard, Acend, Liquid, M3C. These teams were always lacking on picking up the chamber, and their strats are revolved around non-chamber comps, no wonder we didn't see these teams anymore. Guard fell off hard because they tried to fit jett demon sayaplayer on chamber, which clearly didnt work out.
Overall there will be a significant drop in the quality of NA teams, which already look horrendous and with their best team Optic taking a big toll, it will just be a repeat of last year, where EMEA and APAC teams will dominate champions this time, the only difference is APAC and EMEA will be a lot closer than the blowouts last year. LOUD should also be doing well, they are not chamber focused and their star players are excellent on Killjoy and other agents.
chloeburbank [#65]ardiis plays kayo more than chamber
good. at least he's already started to transition
Deadpoool [#5]dicey
Honestly, that might be a sad truth. Can’t think of any other agents he pops off on, maybe initiators
chloeburbank [#66]dicey used to grind skye for more than a year
He’s good on Skye but I don’t think he’ll be the decider of the game anymore, team heavily relies on him taking duels aside from babybay
BoF7ooM [#67]Players that will fall off without a doubt- Most of the NA players like tex, dicey, bdog. Optic will see a heavy toll, esp when they will have to change up their comps, it wont be the same optic we have seen before. Internationally tacolilla, a lot of the SEA chamber 1 tricks.
Teams that will thrive on this nerf- 100T, Guard, Acend, Liquid, M3C. These teams were always lacking on picking up the chamber, and their strats are revolved around non-chamber comps, no wonder we didn't see these teams anymore. Guard fell off hard because they tried to fit jett demon sayaplayer on chamber, which clearly didnt work out.
Overall there will be a significant drop in the quality of NA teams, which already look horrendous and with their best team Optic taking a big toll, it will just be a repeat of last year, where EMEA and APAC teams will dominate champions this time, the only difference is APAC and EMEA will be a lot closer than the blowouts last year. LOUD should also be doing well, they are not chamber focused and their star players are excellent on Killjoy and other agents.
Liquid will 100% be affected by this tho? They have not one but two cracked chamber players on the team and you’re saying they won’t be affected? Imo they use chamber heavily and will probably be one of the most affected by this. I’d also put M3C in this category. Imo SEN will thrive the most off this nerf. They adapted to chamber meta horribly.
moatz [#72]That makes emea teams like tier 8 kkkkkkkkkkk
So optic going 1-10 against EMEA means they are tier80
hekzy [#82]So optic going 1-10 against EMEA means they are tier80
well idk abt the past but they're tier 1 now
Danny [#57]Yay will be fine, he’s played Sage, Breach, Jett, and Reyna in his career all at a very high level
he has only played Jett and Chamber at a high level maybe Sage. All the other agents he had played during his time in ABX and they were definitely not playing against high-level teams.
Itchy [#76]He’s good on Skye but I don’t think he’ll be the decider of the game anymore, team heavily relies on him taking duels aside from babybay
but their team is stacked poised and supamen are top tier, they couldnt perform well bc dicey and babybay dropped 30 every game, im sure they can easily take over when dicey or babybay underperforms
Itchy [#74]It’s already live in pbe
Pbe doesn't mean the changes will make it to the patch. Maybe some of it will maybe all but it depends on the devs if they go forward with it.
moatz [#13]he'll prob do better than derke and ardiis. i think they'll all do well on jett in emea
but once they face tough international competition, that's when i think they'll fall
Derke plays raze too and he won't have problem switching back to jett
WinterZ [#79]Liquid will 100% be affected by this tho? They have not one but two cracked chamber players on the team and you’re saying they won’t be affected? Imo they use chamber heavily and will probably be one of the most affected by this. I’d also put M3C in this category. Imo SEN will thrive the most off this nerf. They adapted to chamber meta horribly.
SEN will not thrive, that team in finished. M3C adapted badly, they had to have nats or chronicle play the agent. If they can get their star players on the agents they are good in, the team can get into form. Liquid is one of the more flexible teams as well, I believe they will do well. They are like a mini-FPX, just with way less preparation for matches, as they seem to underestimate their opponents like Zeta and without a veteran IGL.
BoF7ooM [#89]SEN will not thrive, that team in finished. M3C adapted badly, they had to have nats or chronicle play the agent. If they can get their star players on the agents they are good in, the team can get into form. Liquid is one of the more flexible teams as well, I believe they will do well. They are like a mini-FPX, just with way less preparation for matches, as they seem to underestimate their opponents like Zeta and without a veteran IGL.
M3C have two of the best chamber players in EMEA as do Liquid. How can you say that they will thrive after the nerf? Also, SEN have no good chamber players on their team and they ended up hot potatoing it between Shahz, dapr and Kanpeki. If chamber falls out of the meta it will benefit them greatly.
moatz [#83]well idk abt the past but they're tier 1 now
So you think that NA's greatest achievement was taking a single map of EU? Cute
hekzy [#91]So you think that NA's greatest achievement was taking a single map of EU? Cute
nah even 100T with steel nvr lost to eu
it's a tier 3 region
Na's greatest achievement would either be sen's or optic's iceland titles
moatz [#92]nah even 100T with steel nvr lost to eu
it's a tier 3 region
Na's greatest achievement would either be sen's or optic's iceland titles
Funny because you guys can't even clear Russ. He dogs your entire region and he is gold2 EU.
chloeburbank [#85]but their team is stacked poised and supamen are top tier, they couldnt perform well bc dicey and babybay dropped 30 every game, im sure they can easily take over when dicey or babybay underperforms
That's what makes Faze such a good team lately Poised and Supamen are such solid support players, it just looks like they underperform because they're compared to Dicey and Babybay.
hekzy [#94]Funny because you guys can't even clear Russ. He dogs your entire region and he is gold2 EU.
russ went -8 against optic despite winning 2-0. i don't think he cleared anyone
NANNE [#26]cryo is much better with jett than chamber,
And jett is pretty out of the meta as well + XSET already have someone to play Jett on the maps that you can still (barely) play her on
wiki [#97]And jett is pretty out of the meta as well + XSET already have someone to play Jett on the maps that you can still (barely) play her on
It took you a week to respond to this damn
moatz [#96]russ went -8 against optic despite winning 2-0. i don't think he cleared anyone
And yay went -16 💀💀💀
RK1Zompire [#87]Pbe doesn't mean the changes will make it to the patch. Maybe some of it will maybe all but it depends on the devs if they go forward with it.
Almost all the pbe changes go live.
wiki [#97]And jett is pretty out of the meta as well + XSET already have someone to play Jett on the maps that you can still (barely) play her on
If chamber gets nerfed to the ground then jett will become more popular becuase teams will still need an op agent unless they rework the whole gun or add another dash/tp like agent
charizard_123 [#103]If chamber gets nerfed to the ground then jett will become more popular becuase teams will still need an op agent unless they rework the whole gun or add another dash/tp like agent
That seems very unlikely and this isn't the nerf the OP was talking about, chamber is there for op usage, it won't be changed that much.
wiki [#104]That seems very unlikely and this isn't the nerf the OP was talking about, chamber is there for op usage, it won't be changed that much.
Thats not what Im saying, you say jett is out of the meta but Im saying that its because her pickrate will be inversely proportional to chamber’s, if chamer doesnt fall to the ground, the chamber abusers will be fine, if he does, they will go to jett
charizard_123 [#105]Thats not what Im saying, you say jett is out of the meta but Im saying that its because her pickrate will be inversely proportional to chamber’s, if chamer doesnt fall to the ground, the chamber abusers will be fine, if he does, they will go to jett
but her pickrate isn't inversely proportional to chamber's. jett is no longer the op agent because of her nerf.
wiki [#106]but her pickrate isn't inversely proportional to chamber's. jett is no longer the op agent because of her nerf.
she's not the op agent because chamber is simply much better at doing it, but she's still miles ahead than any other agent in the game with the current op. Sure the jett nerf was harsh, but her pickrate was already in decline before the nerf and was consolidated by optic's success with chamber in m1, where you could still dash like before.
MastoOG [#108]He's a better Jett and his most played agent all time is still Sova 0/8
read what I said + he isn't and won't be nowhere near as good on sova
kroton07 [#111]lmao this aged well XD
It was actually pretty accurate for some of them. Like the guy saying dicey would fall off and the people saying that sayf would not fall off
unknown_trash [#112]It was actually pretty accurate for some of them. Like the guy saying dicey would fall off and the people saying that sayf would not fall off
deadass I think yay comes back, he just got buttfucked by c9
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