10. Shahzam people tought he was the best IGL in the world and recently it was zombs to hold back the team, now we saw what is SEN real problem
9. Trent literally had 1 good tournament, then fell off quicker than he rised
8. Keloqz he looked like a future star, now he's struggling in tier 2/3
7. H1ber people tought he would have done really well in tier 1 (me included) he flopped at masters and is doing bad at Vitality
6. Heat brazilians used to hype him up, now he's not doing shit
5. Skrossi Indians took a long time to realoze he wasn't even their best player
4. Steel world class IGL they said
3. Lakia lol people actually tought this guy was good?
2. Sinatraa no need to explain
1. Tenz no need to explain
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tonyhart7 [#6]Add seoldam
Seoldam is genuinely a good player though? He put up numbers in the APAC LCQ, I don’t think he’s overrated
tonyhart7 [#6]Add seoldam
Wanted to add him at 2nd place with sinatraa, but at least there's nobody who after every sen loss goes "ADD SEOLDAM"
Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.
Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
zyzyck [#12]Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
Thank you!
zyzyck [#12]Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
W take took me a hot minute to read it all but it was worth it.
zyzyck [#12]Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
Half of the thing you've said are wrong lmao. Lakia wasn't a great player he literally had 1 tournament where he did good and he's doing shit in JP rn. Sinatraa can be judged, he is not as good as people make him to be, he can see him play everyday, he won't be SEN savior or shit like that. H1ber is doing bad in VIT as well. And Tenz is nowhere near NA's top, he can only aim, that's it, he doesn't even put up good numbers regularly
Giannero [#3]Lmfao what has Lakia done in the past 2 years?
been stuck on a dogsh*t team. cant call him overrated when hes the top fragger as sova with an ai team
Giannero [#15]Half of the thing you've said are wrong lmao. Lakia wasn't a great player he literally had 1 tournament where he did good and he's doing shit in JP rn. Sinatraa can be judged, he is not as good as people make him to be, he can see him play everyday, he won't be SEN savior or shit like that. H1ber is doing bad in VIT as well. And Tenz is nowhere near NA's top, he can only aim, that's it, he doesn't even put up good numbers regularly
Lakia barely got to play at his tournaments, there was such a small amount of showing of his skill and as far as i can see he is now on a t2 team due to no fault of his own, he was never given the same opportunities on DRX as NUTURN. yet when he actually got to play on a real team like NUTURN they got 3rd at Reykjavik. You literally can not judge Sinatraa, unless you want to look at his ranked matches. he has not played on a team since February last year, stop shitting yourself. Vitality as a whole is shitting the bed right now, they're a new team with a new roster. like i said, give him some time. In all of SEN's recent games Tenz has been at the top or near the top of the leaderboard, whilst I agree he lacks some fundamentals its obvious he has incredible mechanical skill and some of the best aim in NA - teams literally still say SEN is scary when Tenz is turned on. he's not the best in NA clearly, but he still puts up numbers as shown in his matches.
Giannero [#3]Lmfao what has Lakia done in the past 2 years?
lol lakia made one hype play at masters then gg lol
hazard25 [#19]skrossi , yes he is overhyped by the fans but he's still top 3/5 awper in whole SEA maybe even APAC
yeah and indian fans still overhype him and its so annoying ngl.
senjuicer12 [#21]yeah and indian fans still overhype him and its so annoying ngl.
wait what really? i havent seen it in a while they all got humbled a while ago
hazard25 [#19]skrossi , yes he is overhyped by the fans but he's still top 3/5 awper in whole SEA maybe even APAC
Forsaken,dubstep, JohnOlsen,buzz all btr than skrossi. Heck skrossi not event the best oper in SA
zyzyck [#17]Lakia barely got to play at his tournaments, there was such a small amount of showing of his skill and as far as i can see he is now on a t2 team due to no fault of his own, he was never given the same opportunities on DRX as NUTURN. yet when he actually got to play on a real team like NUTURN they got 3rd at Reykjavik. You literally can not judge Sinatraa, unless you want to look at his ranked matches. he has not played on a team since February last year, stop shitting yourself. Vitality as a whole is shitting the bed right now, they're a new team with a new roster. like i said, give him some time. In all of SEN's recent games Tenz has been at the top or near the top of the leaderboard, whilst I agree he lacks some fundamentals its obvious he has incredible mechanical skill and some of the best aim in NA - teams literally still say SEN is scary when Tenz is turned on. he's not the best in NA clearly, but he still puts up numbers as shown in his matches.
Ok so, you literally say that Lakia is good because he did good in 1 tournament (1 cool round actually), then shat the bed when playing those few times with DRX and is currently shitting the bed in Japan, but no, he did good one time so he's good. I literally can judge sinatraa? He hasn't played pro for a year, he still streams regularly and he's literally the same he was when he played pro. What the fuck does the vitality shit mean? They're terrible rn you can't just say "it's a new team" well, Guard was a new team as well and they got 1 seed in their region. They're playing awfully and h1ber is doing trash as well, and he did too on FNC, trying to excuse his performance is just pathetic. Tenz is putting up good numbers? They literally only played 2 good teams rn, LG and EG, he did good against LG but totally shat the bed against EG, and he's been this inconsistent for too much time rn to say that he's anywhere near the top lmfao. Good aim means shit in valorant if you lack everything else
Styling911 [#24]L on steel you piece of
I love steel, don't get me wrong, but he's overrated as a player
Demise [#22]wait what really? i havent seen it in a while they all got humbled a while ago
He is still the face of South Asia Valorant, He got some exclusive interviews, included on top 5 best players etc.
Giannero [#26]I love steel, don't get me wrong, but he's overrated as a player
How? he let NA cs survive for long
he made top 2 in masters
he won first strike
they ratted on him what can he do
senjuicer12 [#27]He is still the face of South Asia Valorant, He got some exclusive interviews, included on top 5 best players etc.
Top 5 best players ranked by who?
Styling911 [#28]How? he let NA cs survive for long
he made top 2 in masters
he won first strikethey ratted on him what can he do
T1 is still in deep shit, he hasn't done anything to revive that team, and I should believe he's some godtier IGL?
Giannero [#30]T1 is still in deep shit, he hasn't done anything to revive that team, and I should believe he's some godtier IGL?
What can you do when you have shit teammates
only he can do so much, now with the new addition wait for him ;)
senjuicer12 [#27]He is still the face of South Asia Valorant, He got some exclusive interviews, included on top 5 best players etc.
That isnt overhyping? he gets the interview because he has the fame all because of his fans spamming and being annoying sure but it was months ago and people will put their fav player in their own top 5 doesnt matter which region or players fan they are.
Ryuji [#33]underated player : Nivera he is so good god damm best for me
Prolly the best CS tier 1 player to switch period.
Ryuji [#33]underated player : Nivera he is so good god damm best for me
Nivera is better than scream
NajibRazak [#23]Forsaken,dubstep, JohnOlsen,buzz all btr than skrossi. Heck skrossi not event the best oper in SA
fnatic fan detected , opinion rejected
NajibRazak [#23]Forsaken,dubstep, JohnOlsen,buzz all btr than skrossi. Heck skrossi not event the best oper in SA
Also he is top 3 awper SEA , forsaken , johnolsen are very good entry fraggers but skrossi beats them awping
tonyhart7 [#6]Add seoldam
seoldam carried a team with TENNN and SugarZ3ro on it though? if anything this Masters shows Seoldam ISN'T overrated.
Giannero [#25]Ok so, you literally say that Lakia is good because he did good in 1 tournament (1 cool round actually), then shat the bed when playing those few times with DRX and is currently shitting the bed in Japan, but no, he did good one time so he's good. I literally can judge sinatraa? He hasn't played pro for a year, he still streams regularly and he's literally the same he was when he played pro. What the fuck does the vitality shit mean? They're terrible rn you can't just say "it's a new team" well, Guard was a new team as well and they got 1 seed in their region. They're playing awfully and h1ber is doing trash as well, and he did too on FNC, trying to excuse his performance is just pathetic. Tenz is putting up good numbers? They literally only played 2 good teams rn, LG and EG, he did good against LG but totally shat the bed against EG, and he's been this inconsistent for too much time rn to say that he's anywhere near the top lmfao. Good aim means shit in valorant if you lack everything else
Lakia barely played on DRX as he was a 6th man, he played fine with them when given the chance as a flex/support. on his current team which looks pretty dogshit, he still top frags on agents like sova, what more do you want him to do? He can't magically make a t2 team t1. NUTURN was proof he can put up numbers, through KR qualifiers and the masters event he was at the top or near the top, it wasn't "1 cool round", he was a flex player who did his job, not a flashy player..
How on earth are you going to judge a player who hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year? SO much has changed in that time, you'd be braindead to say his ranked performance would be the same as his match performance. Ranked =/= Pro play, has this not been said a thousand times?
Vitality being a new team is a perfectly feasible excuse. you look at teams like Optic, Gambit, Acend etc who you could consider/would've considered the best in the world at some points and they didn't start off dominating everybody, they had rough patches but ultimately came out on top due to hard work. Not to say you don't have teams who start off dominating everyone like The Guard, Sentinels, arguably 100T. All teams start differently before finding their real place, judging them at the start of their creation is always gonna lead to disappointment.
Tenz does his job as a duelist, he was arguably the reason they even made it out of open quals. Like i said, he's not a no1 player but i would still place him among the top 10/15 BECAUSE of his mechanical skill which can make him a demon. If you're gonna make a list like this you might aswell have the entirety of Sentinels on here as their whole team is inconsistent. He has proven himself as a top tier player on multiple occasions but their entire team is in a rut right now.
hazard25 [#40]Also he is top 3 awper SEA , forsaken , johnolsen are very good entry fraggers but skrossi beats them awping
nah no shot F0rsaken is in a league of his own man is an menace.
zyzyck [#42]Lakia barely played on DRX as he was a 6th man, he played fine with them when given the chance as a flex/support. on his current team which looks pretty dogshit, he still top frags on agents like sova, what more do you want him to do? He can't magically make a t2 team t1. NUTURN was proof he can put up numbers, through KR qualifiers and the masters event he was at the top or near the top, it wasn't "1 cool round", he was a flex player who did his job, not a flashy player..
How on earth are you going to judge a player who hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year? SO much has changed in that time, you'd be braindead to say his ranked performance would be the same as his match performance. Ranked =/= Pro play, has this not been said a thousand times?
Vitality being a new team is a perfectly feasible excuse. you look at teams like Optic, Gambit, Acend etc who you could consider/would've considered the best in the world at some points and they didn't start off dominating everybody, they had rough patches but ultimately came out on top due to hard work. Not to say you don't have teams who start off dominating everyone like The Guard, Sentinels, arguably 100T. All teams start differently before finding their real place, judging them at the start of their creation is always gonna lead to disappointment.
Tenz does his job as a duelist, he was arguably the reason they even made it out of open quals. Like i said, he's not a no1 player but i would still place him among the top 10/15 BECAUSE of his mechanical skill which can make him a demon. If you're gonna make a list like this you might aswell have the entirety of Sentinels on here as their whole team is inconsistent. He has proven himself as a top tier player on multiple occasions but their entire team is in a rut right now.
Ok, I tought I was speaking with someone who was remotely intelligent but I was heavily wrong. Lakia didn't do fine at all with DRX, he put uo average numbers when playing against KR no namers and then shat the bed so fucking hard when he played against good teams. And you said it yourself, he plays in a tier 2 team, and when he played JP top teams he got fucking destroyed (didn't even put up a good individual performance) which means, he is tier 2. Poor team performance ain't an excuse for a player's poor performance, if you're good you will do well individyally even if your team doesn't. Same applies for H1ber and for tenz. Tenz proved he was good in the past, did he prove anything now? Yes, he is proving constantly that he is not a good player, and all he has is aim, he rarely performs against good teams and he lacks the game's fundamentals. H1ber on the other hand, never proved himself or did anything good
uyheehe [#37]fuck sinatraa but there has never been another player like him in his prime, if you think he's overrated you havent watched him play back then
Key words "back then"
Styling911 [#28]How? he let NA cs survive for long
he made top 2 in masters
he won first strikethey ratted on him what can he do
What, masters 1 of 2021??? That barely counts tbh
uyheehe [#37]fuck sinatraa but there has never been another player like him in his prime, if you think he's overrated you havent watched him play back then
I watched a bit of his overwatch career and honestly it seemed like even on shock he was never the best in any role
Giannero [#15]Half of the thing you've said are wrong lmao. Lakia wasn't a great player he literally had 1 tournament where he did good and he's doing shit in JP rn. Sinatraa can be judged, he is not as good as people make him to be, he can see him play everyday, he won't be SEN savior or shit like that. H1ber is doing bad in VIT as well. And Tenz is nowhere near NA's top, he can only aim, that's it, he doesn't even put up good numbers regularly
rank?
Giannero [#47]He's one of the best igls in the world?
He ain't,ppl just like him because of his cringe and annoying personality
zardinez [#49]I watched a bit of his overwatch career and honestly it seemed like even on shock he was never the best in any role
he was the mvp
Nutzzz [#51]He ain't,ppl just like him because of his cringe and annoying personality
how did he even come this far if he isn't
Demise [#43]nah no shot F0rsaken is in a league of his own man is an menace.
Rossi will be top 5 in awping in apac for sure
archetype [#41]seoldam carried a team with TENNN and SugarZ3ro on it though? if anything this Masters shows Seoldam ISN'T overrated.
Yup wtf. APAC LCQ was one of the best tournaments I had ever watched despite the tech issues, and it was all thanks to this incredible japanese team with seoldam as jett. The way he bullied teams with his shorty, ZETA's shorty judge plays were probably inspired from him by his former teammates.
10. Shahzam agree
- Trent disagree, guard may be shit but I feel like hes still really good
- Keloqz he is still doing well, but what you said is a harsh truth, and g2 most definitely understood it, no wonder he got dropped
- H1ber Lol, braindead take
6. Heat mans really struggling - Skrossi idk, i dont watch him play
4. Steel idk - Lakia Lmao
- Sinatraa :skull: x7
- Tenz still hard carrying sen, idk how you call him overrated.
Giannero [#44]Ok, I tought I was speaking with someone who was remotely intelligent but I was heavily wrong. Lakia didn't do fine at all with DRX, he put uo average numbers when playing against KR no namers and then shat the bed so fucking hard when he played against good teams. And you said it yourself, he plays in a tier 2 team, and when he played JP top teams he got fucking destroyed (didn't even put up a good individual performance) which means, he is tier 2. Poor team performance ain't an excuse for a player's poor performance, if you're good you will do well individyally even if your team doesn't. Same applies for H1ber and for tenz. Tenz proved he was good in the past, did he prove anything now? Yes, he is proving constantly that he is not a good player, and all he has is aim, he rarely performs against good teams and he lacks the game's fundamentals. H1ber on the other hand, never proved himself or did anything good
Have you even looked at Lakia's stats whilst being on DRX and NUTURN? he was arguably the best player on NUTURN and played at the same level as his teammates on DRX but played 3x less than them all. 1 good player can't carry a t2 team through qualifiers, no shit he can't win anything if his teammates don't know how to shoot back. Poor team performance IS an excuse for poor performance, it's a team game, you can't solo carry in it.
H1ber is t2-t1.5 talent, I doubt he is on anybody's top20-top30 tier list, he was given a shot to fill on one of the best EU teams and yet literally performed better than nearly all of them, he is now working his way up alongside his NEW teammates. they have literally been together less than a month, do you expect them to 13-0 every team they meet?
Tenz continues to put up numbers but Sentinels as a whole is failing, for the 100th time he is not no1 but he is still an amazing player with some of the best mechanical skill in the game. He is not to blame for Sentinels fall and you can't expect him to drop 40 kills every game. Why do you think t1 players compliment his skill continuously?
BoF7ooM [#56]Yup wtf. APAC LCQ was one of the best tournaments I had ever watched despite the tech issues, and it was all thanks to this incredible japanese team with seoldam as jett. The way he bullied teams with his shorty, ZETA's shorty judge plays were probably inspired from him by his former teammates.
to be fair the guy who commented this is tonyhart who's notorious for being pretty much the Issax of APAC
RayDalio [#61]Leo from guild?
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archetype [#62]to be fair the guy who commented this is tonyhart who's notorious for being pretty much the Issax of APAC
nobody beats mr.ballsax38. He is running rampant in the valorantcomp reddit lmao. Also im pretty sure he is from singapore. He has a lot of comments in singaporean reddits. So ballsax may as well be from APAC lmfao.
zyzyck [#59]Have you even looked at Lakia's stats whilst being on DRX and NUTURN? he was arguably the best player on NUTURN and played at the same level as his teammates on DRX but played 3x less than them all. 1 good player can't carry a t2 team through qualifiers, no shit he can't win anything if his teammates don't know how to shoot back. Poor team performance IS an excuse for poor performance, it's a team game, you can't solo carry in it.
H1ber is t2-t1.5 talent, I doubt he is on anybody's top20-top30 tier list, he was given a shot to fill on one of the best EU teams and yet literally performed better than nearly all of them, he is now working his way up alongside his NEW teammates. they have literally been together less than a month, do you expect them to 13-0 every team they meet?
Tenz continues to put up numbers but Sentinels as a whole is failing, for the 100th time he is not no1 but he is still an amazing player with some of the best mechanical skill in the game. He is not to blame for Sentinels fall and you can't expect him to drop 40 kills every game. Why do you think t1 players compliment his skill continuously?
Ok it's getting too long to read, can you summarize what you've written
GLN321 [#68]The recency bias is insane
No recency bias lol, every player that I listed was considered good after 1 or 2 perfomances, then went downhill after
Giannero [#69]What do you see that's wrong
well mostly correct but I am quite biased towards Lakia and well without any bias i think its a bit harsh for him. and Shaz should be ranked around 6-7 for me. But honestly, the takes reflect each individual opinion so i wouldn't call this a WRONG one. just upset to see lakia huhu
Giannero [#67]Ok it's getting too long to read, can you summarize what you've written
lakia was the best player on nuturn and was barely given a shot on DRX yet still performed the same as the rest. he cant carry a t2 team to victory, its a team game
h1ber isnt a t1 player imo hes t2-t1.5 yet he outperformed nearly the entirety of fnc at masters. vit together less than a month, they're not gonna 13-0 everyone.
tenz go kill doesn't work anymore but he can still aim but sentinels as a whole is the problem, not just tenz
archetype [#62]to be fair the guy who commented this is tonyhart who's notorious for being pretty much the Issax of APAC
People dnt like me because Iam spitting a fact
senjuicer12 [#27]He is still the face of South Asia Valorant, He got some exclusive interviews, included on top 5 best players etc.
it is not because he is skilled, but because he is famous
zyzyck [#72]lakia was the best player on nuturn and was barely given a shot on DRX yet still performed the same as the rest. he cant carry a t2 team to victory, its a team game
h1ber isnt a t1 player imo hes t2-t1.5 yet he outperformed nearly the entirety of fnc at masters. vit together less than a month, they're not gonna 13-0 everyone.
tenz go kill doesn't work anymore but he can still aim but sentinels as a whole is the problem, not just tenz
On the big stages, where it actually counted and against good opponents, Lakia shat the bed with DRX, H1ber ain't doing good even in tier 1.5/2 team being new isn't an excuse for poor individual performance. Tenz go kill doesn't work because Tenz is simply not good, aim alone is nothing in this game
zyzyck [#12]Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
so according to you, nobody in the whole world is overrated? its impossible for someone to be overrated?
overrated doesnt mean bad you moron
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no_noise_979 [#78]so according to you, nobody in the whole world is overrated? its impossible for someone to be overrated?
overrated doesnt mean bad you moron
Not at all what i said... this list is incredibly harsh and a lot of these players arent even overrated, most overperformed in 1 tourny then as soon as they aren't aceing every round the whole world jumps on their asses and acts like they're the worst players to step on this planet.
Heat is a player that since he proved to be the best in Brazil in the Challengers 3 Br and his incredible individual performance in the Masters and Champions has always continued with this skill level, losing an md5 but killing 100, losing championships but always in the top 3 of the statistics , so as an individual player I don't think it's overrated, It's just part of the common case of having teamates performing poorly.
ABCDE [#74]it is not because he is skilled, but because he is famous
do you really think hes famous because of his personality? ofc hes famous because of his skill
Giannero [#70]No recency bias lol, every player that I listed was considered good after 1 or 2 perfomances, then went downhill after
what about dapr? went from the best sentinel to some rando who knows a few kj setups
Sprouts [#8]Seoldam is genuinely a good player though? He put up numbers in the APAC LCQ, I don’t think he’s overrated
"stats = good player" BatChest
Yepsir [#57]I guess the word mechanic is only for tenz lovers.
Tenz is the best player mechanically to ever touch the game but the thing is , if mechanics were everything , people wouldn't need igls like FNS saadhak , bonecold etc , mechanics can only get you so far , you need a good IGL and supportive teammates to tell you how to go about playing rounds and what strats to use , if you cant use them , your mechanics wont help you either
archetype [#41]seoldam carried a team with TENNN and SugarZ3ro on it though? if anything this Masters shows Seoldam ISN'T overrated.
He didn't really carry tbf, TENN had a lot of impact on Nth and SugerZ3ro was really consistent with his util on astra
wiki [#82]the fact that 100t literally fell apart after steel's departure literally proves 4 wrong. no legitimate analyst said shahzam is the best player in the world. "now we see who is the real problem" :facepalm:, you really don't know what you're talking about.
They did not fall apart because of steel's departure. nitr0 was the real loss for 100T. Him leaving was announced a day after steel leaving and his absence made it difficult for 100T to find their old strength. After that they just messed up with too many roster changes and now they have to find themselves again first. steel is now losing to T2 teams and not even getting close to qualify for a main event so that makes him overrated and not the 'world class IGL' he was getting called.
Giannero [#30]T1 is still in deep shit, he hasn't done anything to revive that team, and I should believe he's some godtier IGL?
T1 has underperformed since entering valorant as one of the first teams. Not sure Steel can help that. The only org underperforming more is perhaps Complexity.
wizardbot [#97]He didn't really carry tbf, TENN had a lot of impact on Nth and SugerZ3ro was really consistent with his util on astra
almost every single game Seoldam topfragged for his team as Jett/Skye, and while yes Jett is main duelist that level of consistency is pretty good considering the comm issue that plagued all KR/JP teams. I mean if you watched the games during LCQ he was a huge reason they made it so far.
He was also at one point the player with the highest ACS in Japan. That means he beat players like Laz, Dep, and Munchkin.
Obviously TENNN, Meiy, and SugarZ3ro are cracked AF. That's why when TENNN and SZ moved to ZETA I was pretty excited for them coming into this Masters, but it is testament to how apparent Seoldam's performance is that XSET wanted to buy him.
burritx [#100]Heat top acs in berlin
2nd top acs in champions
You can say he's not underrated, but he is nowhere near overrated
brazilians do tend to hype up heat though. he is good for sure but unlike Aspas he doesn't really have any results to prove it.
Giannero [#67]Ok it's getting too long to read, can you summarize what you've written
i'll summarize it for you.
TL;DR YOU ARE BRAINDEAD and delusional.
CrimsonPride [#104]i'll summarize it for you.
TL;DR YOU ARE BRAINDEAD and delusional.
Don't call my boy Liannero like that
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trembolonaRage [#108]change heat for aspas and its good
you are missing scream btw
po, to real curioso pra como tu explicaria essa mudança aí. o Aspas foi um dos melhores duelistas da Masters, além de ser parte do que levou o time dele pra final. o Heat dia após dia vem entregando retornos decrescentes, já foi o melhor duelista do brasil de longe agora já tá se mostrando bem menos explosivo. ainda é um bom jogador? sim, mas parece que perdeu muito do molho
DJwankstaaa [#86]do you really think hes famous because of his personality? ofc hes famous because of his skill
he is famous because he plays for GE as a main duelist, GE was one of the initial teams to start the south asian scene.
screetox [#98]They did not fall apart because of steel's departure. nitr0 was the real loss for 100T. Him leaving was announced a day after steel leaving and his absence made it difficult for 100T to find their old strength. After that they just messed up with too many roster changes and now they have to find themselves again first. steel is now losing to T2 teams and not even getting close to qualify for a main event so that makes him overrated and not the 'world class IGL' he was getting called.
They were losing for a long time before nitros departure lol, evidently you weren't there for it. Just because steel is doing badly now does not mean anything: you can't claim an individual is bad just because they are on a less than good team, on an org that has historically had less than good teams in this game. If you think a "world class igl" is overrated because they can't make a team work just like that then I don't know what to tell you.
Giannero [#44]Ok, I tought I was speaking with someone who was remotely intelligent but I was heavily wrong. Lakia didn't do fine at all with DRX, he put uo average numbers when playing against KR no namers and then shat the bed so fucking hard when he played against good teams. And you said it yourself, he plays in a tier 2 team, and when he played JP top teams he got fucking destroyed (didn't even put up a good individual performance) which means, he is tier 2. Poor team performance ain't an excuse for a player's poor performance, if you're good you will do well individyally even if your team doesn't. Same applies for H1ber and for tenz. Tenz proved he was good in the past, did he prove anything now? Yes, he is proving constantly that he is not a good player, and all he has is aim, he rarely performs against good teams and he lacks the game's fundamentals. H1ber on the other hand, never proved himself or did anything good
By your logic ur just as bad as ur bronze teammates then
Giannero [#44]Ok, I tought I was speaking with someone who was remotely intelligent but I was heavily wrong. Lakia didn't do fine at all with DRX, he put uo average numbers when playing against KR no namers and then shat the bed so fucking hard when he played against good teams. And you said it yourself, he plays in a tier 2 team, and when he played JP top teams he got fucking destroyed (didn't even put up a good individual performance) which means, he is tier 2. Poor team performance ain't an excuse for a player's poor performance, if you're good you will do well individyally even if your team doesn't. Same applies for H1ber and for tenz. Tenz proved he was good in the past, did he prove anything now? Yes, he is proving constantly that he is not a good player, and all he has is aim, he rarely performs against good teams and he lacks the game's fundamentals. H1ber on the other hand, never proved himself or did anything good
These TL fans only taking L
archetype [#103]brazilians do tend to hype up heat though. he is good for sure but unlike Aspas he doesn't really have any results to prove it.
1 player can't win tournaments alone. LOUD is way better than VK
archetype [#103]brazilians do tend to hype up heat though. he is good for sure but unlike Aspas he doesn't really have any results to prove it.
you can't compare VK with LOUD. LOUD have at least the TOP 3 from each position, while VK have RHZ (known for being bad in tier 3 competition, imagine in VCT)
Marshal_D_Teach [#116]1 player can't win tournaments alone. LOUD is way better than VK
true but VK were a superteam before LOUD no?
hazard25 [#19]skrossi , yes he is overhyped by the fans but he's still top 3/5 awper in whole SEA maybe even APAC
Agreed
archetype [#120]true but VK were a superteam before LOUD no?
never lol
Jhow wasn't the best in his position
Ntk wasn't the best in his position (neither Mwzera)
Vixen was good, but probably top 2/3
Murizzz isn't the best flex in Brazil
Koy isn't the best coach in Brazil
the only international tier player in VK was Heat (maybe Mwzera can return while playing Raze)
KIRITOS1MP [#94]"stats = good player" BatChest
yea ofc, this is a fps, you need kills, you know that right?
Yugure [#122]never lol
Jhow wasn't the best in his position
Ntk wasn't the best in his position (neither Mwzera)
Vixen was good, but probably top 2/3
Murizzz isn't the best flex in Brazil
Koy isn't the best coach in Brazilthe only international tier player in VK was Heat (maybe Mwzera can return while playing Raze)
I thought BR fans were hyping up VK because of heat + mwzera, guess I was wrong. Still, heat is good, but he just doesn't have results unlike Aspas. He's not overrated but he for sure doesn't really have any placements to back him up.
You have to be trolling with naming TenZ as the most overrated player. I agree he deserves a place in the top 10 but #1 is just milking it for the simple fact that no one considers him as the best player rn but he is still a very good player. He is the reason sentinels is still a part of the conversation.
archetype [#125]I thought BR fans were hyping up VK because of heat + mwzera, guess I was wrong. Still, heat is good, but he just doesn't have results unlike Aspas. He's not overrated but he for sure doesn't really have any placements to back him up.
They are excelent players. Mwzera is maybe the best br player aimwise, but he lacks in decision choices coz he thinks he can just enters the site and win every duel.
I think they should get a better sentinel/flex instead of rhz and hires Gatti and Fluyr as coach/assist coach.
wiki [#113]They were losing for a long time before nitros departure lol, evidently you weren't there for it. Just because steel is doing badly now does not mean anything: you can't claim an individual is bad just because they are on a less than good team, on an org that has historically had less than good teams in this game. If you think a "world class igl" is overrated because they can't make a team work just like that then I don't know what to tell you.
Ok but if they were losing for a long time before nitr0s departure then they were losing for a long time before steels departure too. That just proofs the point that you can't say that '100t literally fell apart after steel's departure literally proves 4 wrong'. Because as you were saying they were already losing for a long time before that. Maybe you can't tell if he's a 'worldclass igl' right now because he's on a 'less than good team' but if he would be the player he was often displayed as, wouldn't a tier 1 team pick him up as igl?
Giannero [#4]Ok, now explain me why Tenz is not overrated and use proper arguments not "He HaS gOoD aIm AnD hE wOn A tOuRnAmEnT 1 yEaR aGo"
no one has even come close to his stats on iceland last year, so yeah, he has good aim and dominated a tournament 1 year ago
archetype [#125]I thought BR fans were hyping up VK because of heat + mwzera, guess I was wrong. Still, heat is good, but he just doesn't have results unlike Aspas. He's not overrated but he for sure doesn't really have any placements to back him up.
you are right, and in brazil there are still a lot of crazy people who think heat is the best player in brazil, heat and mwzera are the 2 most overrated players in brazil
screetox [#130]Ok but if they were losing for a long time before nitr0s departure then they were losing for a long time before steels departure too. That just proofs the point that you can't say that '100t literally fell apart after steel's departure literally proves 4 wrong'. Because as you were saying they were already losing for a long time before that. Maybe you can't tell if he's a 'worldclass igl' right now because he's on a 'less than good team' but if he would be the player he was often displayed as, wouldn't a tier 1 team pick him up as igl?
your last argument is so circular: you're using an effect as a cause... do you know every in and out of NA organisation? "proofs" lol. I didn't say they were losing a long time before steels departure because they weren't, what are you talking about?
Nutzzz [#51]He ain't,ppl just like him because of his cringe and annoying personality
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CrimsonPride [#104]i'll summarize it for you.
TL;DR YOU ARE BRAINDEAD and delusional.
fr lmao giannero has some of the worst takes on this site
aTastyCook1e [#134]you are right, and in brazil there are still a lot of crazy people who think heat is the best player in brazil, heat and mwzera are the 2 most overrated players in brazil
Common Deveras triste (alt) L
aTastyCook1e [#133]Heat is the second most overrated player in Brazil, the first is Mwzera.
Again common DeverasTriste (alt) L
Giannero [#15]Half of the thing you've said are wrong lmao. Lakia wasn't a great player he literally had 1 tournament where he did good and he's doing shit in JP rn. Sinatraa can be judged, he is not as good as people make him to be, he can see him play everyday, he won't be SEN savior or shit like that. H1ber is doing bad in VIT as well. And Tenz is nowhere near NA's top, he can only aim, that's it, he doesn't even put up good numbers regularly
farming downfrags
NwithanL [#128]Im indian and i agree skrossi is overhyped
ikr people overhype him way too much, especially his dick riders, they get on my nerves every single time
Ullyr [#18]lol lakia made one hype play at masters then gg lol
he was on a six man they picked him up bc hes good but they couldnt fit him in
mokzer0 [#144]tenz doesnt really deserve to be in this list. he is kinda falling off but most people agree with this, he isnt overrated cause people agree hes kinda ass
They don't agree actually
Giannero [#11]He is not even fucking close to being the best mechanically and on top of all it doesn't mean shit, aim is literally nothing in valorant if you're totally braindead and you can play only 1 agent
he wants to play more agents but sen keep him on jett because why would you have your best jett on anyone other than your best jett player
wiki [#136]your last argument is so circular: you're using an effect as a cause... do you know every in and out of NA organisation? "proofs" lol. I didn't say they were losing a long time before steels departure because they weren't, what are you talking about?
nitr0 and steel left the team at the same time. You were saying that "They were losing for a long time before nitros departure". Now you're saying "I didn't say they were losing a long time before steels departure because they weren't". So when nitr0 and steel both left they were losing for a long time but also weren't losing for a long time. That doesn't make any sense.
screetox [#154]nitr0 and steel left the team at the same time. You were saying that "They were losing for a long time before nitros departure". Now you're saying "I didn't say they were losing a long time before steels departure because they weren't". So when nitr0 and steel both left they were losing for a long time but also weren't losing for a long time. That doesn't make any sense.
nitr0 and steel didn't leave at the same time tho
Giannero [#4]Ok, now explain me why Tenz is not overrated and use proper arguments not "He HaS gOoD aIm AnD hE wOn A tOuRnAmEnT 1 yEaR aGo"
i wouldn't say Tenz is overrated because recently majority of the community agrees Tenz is not the "Best player in the world" which he was made out to be in 2021 and i agree with that statement however, I disagree with people who say Tenz is a bad player or that he fell off I still think he is one of the top duelist in NA, again not the best but one of the top duelist players and i don't think that's overrated tbh
Giannero [#155]nitr0 and steel didn't leave at the same time tho
You're right, there were 2 days between the announcements.
steel was benched for the LCQ and they came pretty far with a substitute and changing roles. So you can't really compare that with the time steel was on the active roster. And then after LCQ steel and nitr0 left with 2 days between both departures.
screetox [#159]You're right, there were 2 days between the announcements.
steel was benched for the LCQ and they came pretty far with a substitute and changing roles. So you can't really compare that with the time steel was on the active roster. And then after LCQ steel and nitr0 left with 2 days between both departures.
they didn't "come pretty far" lol, they were upset by teams that they had been better than for a long time. nitro and steel didn't leave at the same time as Giannero pointed out.
wiki [#160]they didn't "come pretty far" lol, they were upset by teams that they had been better than for a long time. nitro and steel didn't leave at the same time as Giannero pointed out.
I can just repeat myself: steel and nitr0 left the org with only two days in between. That is -in my opinion- the same time. If two days make such a huge difference in your mind I will accept that now.
Also they only lost to Rise and C9 in the LCQ if I remember correctly with C9 being the only NA team to reach playoffs later at champions. It was disappointing they didn't get a spot for champions but in my opinion losing to C9 and Rise and winning against GenG and XSET was still a good performance for a team with a substitute and recent role changes.
Giannero [#4]Ok, now explain me why Tenz is not overrated and use proper arguments not "He HaS gOoD aIm AnD hE wOn A tOuRnAmEnT 1 yEaR aGo"
because you guys haven't won one, back then or now
kyrielight [#124]yea ofc, this is a fps, you need kills, you know that right?
so you tell me FNS is bad? if kills is everything, then FNS is so bad optic should cut him?
screetox [#161]I can just repeat myself: steel and nitr0 left the org with only two days in between. That is -in my opinion- the same time. If two days make such a huge difference in your mind I will accept that now.
Also they only lost to Rise and C9 in the LCQ if I remember correctly with C9 being the only NA team to reach playoffs later at champions. It was disappointing they didn't get a spot for champions but in my opinion losing to C9 and Rise and winning against GenG and XSET was still a good performance for a team with a substitute and recent role changes.
it was double elimination so they lost to rise and cloud9 iirc. the point is they weren't up to date and yes the synergy was broken, you just admitted my point lol in your last line.
Giannero [#45]Key words "back then"
back then cuz that's the only time when he competed, he never played and "fell off" like most of these players on this list, it's unfair to put him on the same list as those
zyzyck [#12]Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
rare appearance of the sanest person on this shithole
CorpL [#163]so you tell me FNS is bad? if kills is everything, then FNS is so bad optic should cut him?
no I mean if your role is getting kills, then you should have good stats, fns' role is to igl the all aim no brain players so that they can win, but if someone is no brain no aim then it's not excusable imo
CorpL [#162]because you guys haven't won one, back then or now
Too bad I actually cheer for gambit and not TL
wiki [#165]it was double elimination so they lost to rise and cloud9 iirc. the point is they weren't up to date and yes the synergy was broken, you just admitted my point lol in your last line.
Yeah I just said that they lost to Rise and C9.
I don't think you get my point. I always agreed that they fell apart after steels departure. But I don't think that proofs that steel is a worldclass igl. Without steel they've only played 4 vct matches before making more changes (departure of steel, nitr0, b0i and dicey) where they won against GenG and XSET and lost to Rise and C9. That's still a very decent performance. If you think that a team after a roster and also role changes immediately has to be as strong as before, than that's where we disagree. I think that if they would've benched Hiko, Asuna, Ethan or nitr0 instead of steel the team would have still not been able to qualify for champions. Because roster changes always make things difficult.
screetox [#171]Yeah I just said that they lost to Rise and C9.
I don't think you get my point. I always agreed that they fell apart after steels departure. But I don't think that proofs that steel is a worldclass igl. Without steel they've only played 4 vct matches before making more changes (departure of steel, nitr0, b0i and dicey) where they won against GenG and XSET and lost to Rise and C9. That's still a very decent performance. If you think that a team after a roster and also role changes immediately has to be as strong as before, than that's where we disagree. I think that if they would've benched Hiko, Asuna, Ethan or nitr0 instead of steel the team would have still not been able to qualify for champions. Because roster changes always make things difficult.
That's still an alright performance but without steel's evidential contribution to the teams ideas they clearly aren't world class. It's literally logical to induce that considering they haven't made any world class events, they are missing a world-class igl and that was him. A world-class igl does not mean the best in the world, it means capable of competing at a world level, which steel evidently did, taking down arguably two of the most influential and dominating teams in one tournament.
wiki [#172]That's still an alright performance but without steel's evidential contribution to the teams ideas they clearly aren't world class. It's literally logical to induce that considering they haven't made any world class events, they are missing a world-class igl and that was him. A world-class igl does not mean the best in the world, it means capable of competing at a world level, which steel evidently did, taking down arguably two of the most influential and dominating teams in one tournament.
You put that in your first post and we're fine. I actually thought for a moment that you think a team losing after a roster change would be a bad thing. But you clearly showed good arguments why steel is a world-class igl in your last post. I totally agree to that. I just still don't think that 100T falling apart after his departure proofs anything.
screetox [#174]You put that in your first post and we're fine. I actually thought for a moment that you think a team losing after a roster change would be a bad thing. But you clearly showed good arguments why steel is a world-class igl in your last post. I totally agree to that. I just still don't think that 100T falling apart after his departure proofs anything.
props for admitting that :D
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