Thats a pretty big oversimplification. Its not like both teams aren't playing to build ult economy or that even then those rounds are guaranteed. I also don't think you understand what a miracle round is. This is a miracle round. Pulling off a man disadvantage by itself does not make a round a miracle round. Neither does winning an eco automatically make the round a miracle round. The only round that was really a miracle round on either side was the "New king of hell round" for EG (insane shots and heroics)

plat 3 in just 2 months is pretty good, just keep playing and you'll be there one day

shocks to break trip, darts can be used longer distances, sova ult kill potential + potential for combo trap plays are the big reasons why sova is better for sunset than fade

Full potential sym is the best player in the world

you think there is not much to learn about cypher because you are in diamond and are still learning the game. Try anchoring on breeze B site in high rank and being expected to be good for one against a full site hit and you'll see there's levels to it.

initiator is the worst for ranking up because your relying on setting up your teammates to get value (you should be able to identify the problem here)

but if you really want to play those two

Sova - Ascent Haven Breeze Icebox Sunset

Fade - Bind Lotus

either - pearl

neither - split (play skye or breach here)

lookup Johnnypkay and Tseeky for sova guides, Tseeky and Ztol for Fade guides
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killing enemies off guard is not my thing and feels very dirty

I know you're new to the game and i fully understand why people think cypher is ratty, but in general this game is about making the fights you take as unfair as possible. If you are in a situation where you give someone a fair fight when you could be using util to make it unfair, you aren't playing the game right and are bad.

I know, I think the dream roster pickups would be +N4rrate +Zander/Skuba

Shit is like the fortnite plane and mech meta, anyone who thinks it belongs in the game is just stupid

I personally consider Jawg the #1 raze but I wanna see what yall think

Who's playing raze?

btw, if you weren't trying to desperately find an excuse for why fnatic can only win when other teams are nerfed, you would have noticed that Optic's win at reyk has a similar issue to Fnatic's at tokyo.

But you are blinded by the cope

shanghai - patitek was not a true sub, this wasn't a c9 curry slotting in for 1 event situation. He played with them a good chunk of the year. They were also arguably better with him
Madrid - they did have a full roster, a roster change is different from not being allowed to play with your actual roster because of visa issues
LA 23 - they did have a full roster, a roster change is different from not being allowed to play with your actual roster because of visa issues
Tokyo 23 - its true for EG and especially PRX
Sao paulo - not a major so who really cares that much
Loud 2022 - Gambit existed that year buddy
https://www.vlr.gg/68995/funplus-phoenix-vs-gambit-esports-champions-tour-stage-1-emea-challengers-week-2
https://www.vlr.gg/112607/m3-champions-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-emea-last-chance-qualifier-gf/?game=90932&tab=overview

NT THO!

fnatic did better than prx at lock in

🐁🐁🐁

absolutely better than prx in tokyo

Giving off heavy raptors beat Warriors without KD energy

an you just accept that youre a small hater and move on with it

I am the biggest fnatic (and neon) hater (truth teller) on this site. Do me justice

https://www.vlr.gg/381306/stats-data-science-majors

#7,#11

5 days a week fully remote

Every second of free time that I can use to tarnish Fraudnatic's fake legacy is a second well spent

https://www.vlr.gg/381306/stats-data-science-majors

#7, #11

Yeah but liquid beating fnatic was a fluke and we all know it.

PRX beating GENG in a bo5 was not a fluke. They were competitive with GENG for the first half of the year https://www.vlr.gg/296747/gen-g-vs-paper-rex-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-winners-c/?game=155165&tab=overview

People forget that they were the favorites to win shanghai going into it. They just got jingg back (they were champs finalists with him) and when they beat GENG (Madrid #2) in the bo5 alot of people had them winning shanghai.

PRX started to fall off throughout 2024. They ended 2023 as champs finalists (better than FNC). did decent at madrid (better than FNC). and Ok at shanghai (still better than FNC).

I don't think it was ever revealed, probably screwface tho cuz he was the 6th right?

Average illiterate Fraudnatic fan

no wonder you think they're good

Perfect symbolism for Lock-In being the mickey mouse clubhouse. Riot didn't even think it was worth getting a good quality trophy

1. Yeah but thats not why they got magnum'd at kickoff. They also were clearly better playing with Hiro. (not saying hiro is better than Leo).
2. FUCK NO LMAO
3. They still had wins at shanghai, which is more than FNC can say. FNC got embarrassed by fut. We saw what 100t did to FUT and how close the PRX vs 100t game was. Not enough? PRX had just beaten GEN.G in a bo5 prior. A team getting washed by FUT isn't doing that. (PRX is also Fut's daddy)
4. At this point in time - Champs 2024 - FNC is better than PRX, and beating G2 proved it. But when something was at his hottest (Literally the best player in Pacific), he wasn't allowed to go to Tokyo. Then the next 3 straight events (Champs Madrid Shanghai) they are better than FNC. Being better a year later by beating G2 doesn't change the fundamental point about PRX vs FNC at Tokyo.

Most decorated my ass

SEN as an org has 2, and they were the best team in the world both times when they won theirs.

2 > 1*

Even if you look at EMEA many teams clear, GMB, ACE, FPX.

Basically any other team that was the best in the world at anypoint in time (GMB LOUD EG FPX, etc) achieved more than Fnatic, who was never once the best team in the world.

Please tell me which of the points is wrong, and be specific pls

Was the purpose of Lock in not to showcase teams?
Was it not Preseason?
Where there qualifiers?
Did the trophy not break on the plane?
Was a Pubg streamer not filling in for the Pacific MVP
Was EG not missing prac with their star player (the future champs MVP)?
Did every map not named Lotus or Fracture not come down to 2 rounds (the minimum possible win margin) in both uppers and gf?
Did PRX not outperform them for the next 3 events (basically a whole year) straight with something?

Its the worst post you've seen so it should be really easy to debunk.

It seems this thread has been rediscovered by Fnatic fans who have been mass downvoting.

I leave an open challenge to all such copers:

If FNC would have obviously beat PRX with Something (pacific MVP at the time) at Tokyo, explain why PRX outperformed Fnatic at the next 3 straight events upon his addition

if they were 'clearly' running circles BOTH halves like you said they score wouldn't have been 12-11 with a possible OT. Its not like EG was winning miracle round after miracle round from heroics to get their rounds.

If exposing the biggest frauds in valorant is a crime I hope that I left enough evidence for them to convict me 🙏🙏🙏

Shit aint tied, 2 > 1*

and wouldn't have even have got that 1 without their 'special conditions'

Need shenanigans or other teams to be nerfed to win

Never once was the best team in the world

And yes I know FNC clear TSM

fnatic beat eg twice (once in a close match and once in a sweep)

Beat a nerfed (was practicing without their star player) EG. Every map that wasn't named Lotus or Fracture was as close as is possible in valorant. You also already know this because we went over it.

even boostio said that fnatic were the only team who were better than eg last year (i would rather trust a player on that team than a random dickrider)

Verbal statements don't mean shit. I was told that Fnatic would have won madrid by boaster (Lost to both madrid teams) and that NRG was hiding strats by fns (LOL).
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Then again you use all the same recycled garbage excuses addressed in the post. Here it is again for you to read:

prx without something nearly got 13-0'd by fnatic (boaster didnt wanna drop a 13-0 on jason), with something they wouldve gotten what, 5-6 rounds more?

"Even with something, they wouldn't have beat them at tokyo anyways"

Based off what? Not the evidence. The evidence strongly suggests otherwise. PRX with something outperformed Fnatic at the next 3 straight events. Next tourney they made Champs finals (probably strongest form they were ever in) beating LOUD and even EG in upper finals. At Madrid FNC were missing cuz they were worse than the teams that PRX beat. At Shanghai PRX were the favorites going into it, beat EDG and lost an extremely close series vs 100t, and FNC were winless (lost to GEN.G, who PRX beat domestically, and got EMBARRASED by fut, who PRX would beat). This means that PRX with something were better for than FNC for basically a year after they were allowed to play with him.

only reason fnatic didnt win champs last year was loud, they were the only team who couldve had and did beat fnatic

"Only lost because of Loud"

No, they lost because they were the 4th best team and they ran into the 3rd best team, who smoked them.

imagine calling a trophy worthless just because your region didnt win it, can never be me

Even Riot knows Lock-In was worthless. Its why it wasn't a masters and they didn't bother to get a trophy that can survive a plane ride.

they antistratted the hell out of fnatic's dominant map

LOL so its all anti-stratting why they lost huh? Which maps did they get anti-stratted? Every one they lost? They got full anti stratted on Lotus Ascent Split Haven and Bind? Or can you just not admit other teams were better?

good thing I made the post so I don't have to type everything out again for the same recycled excuses every time
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they beat the champs winner last year

Conveniently also facing visa issues! Also for their star player, the one who, upon his addition, turned around their season and would later win Champs MVP. After spending (wasting) 2 weeks of tournament prep with a sub, Demon1 returns last minute. Even with this big nerf, upper finals basically comes down to a smokes spam. Furthermore, across every map played, only 2 were decisive, Fracture for EG, and Lotus for Fnatic. Every other map comes down to two rounds, the closest possible result.

beat the 2022 champs winners

against LOUD who swapped their two best champs performers for rookies, via a historic choke

to win lock in

Barely winning a preseason, showcase tourney with a mickey mouse format...After they won that worthless temu trophy (the kind the breaks on planes)....

also why do people call it mickey mouse when other teams failed to win it

"Mickey Mouse? actually single elim (and no qualifier and literally pre-season) means they won the hardest tourney!"

Maybe, but, further still, a random agent select tourney would be by far the hardest event ever hosted, doesn't change that winning it would be a cosmetic achievement, worthless in comparison to events with real formats and qualifiers (ie: designed to select for the best team).
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i can name two teams that were better than them at the time of Tokyo, they just weren't allowed to play at full strength. A month later they were both in champs finals

consistently overrated when they dont have their special win conditions:

1. Mickey Mouse
2. Other teams being nerfed

There was never a single time that fnc was the best team in the world

neon easily

A good initiator and a team with basic patience is enough to shut down a chamber

https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

fnatic did not fall of they got exposed

but other than that yeah next season is the beginning of the new era

https://youtu.be/RnulPqFv0VM?si=-RYe7BgqInjHFarj&t=30

do you think he would have gotten more 'value' if he was playing killjoy here?

Also, Demon1 played jett chamber astra and brim, thats 3 different roles so if anything he's the flex compared to aspas

'arguably' and 'one of' doing alot of the heavy lifting in that sentence

nobody argues about who #1 that year was tho

didn't even have to say his name but you instantly knew who it was

really says it all

Everybody knows who 2022 belongs to

fr you got a matchup problem at 4 positions

you got one of the few duelists that can match zekken? what about a smokes that can keep up with zander? who's guarding N4rrate? John gonna get his too your senti better be nice

zellsis aint no slouch at all either

Watchparty king

man if SEN won both the n4rrate and zander sweepstakes then a dynasty is coming

until proven otherwise, no. But the talent is there

https://www.vlr.gg/358432/most-over-and-underrated-players

Got flamed for saying this

Skuba !!!

Skuba

its all coming together

guy said shanks feels like a random LMFAO

Derke not good enough to be the best player on a trophy winning team

do you remember what happened at S0m's second international

theres two things to measure an igl by, calling and fragging

FNS is the best caller in the games history, but John can also call at a trophy winning level, and the fragging isn't even remotely close.

John as a total igl package is better, its not that complicated

spot the difference

this vs this

igling is total package of 2 things:

calling + shooting