RIP JessieGOAT

I'll just answer it for SEN fans, because it's objective

N4rrate Zander Johnqt Zekken Zellsis

There is no SEN roster that's possible for next year that's better than that (on paper of course)

What is the best case scenario roster possible next season for your favorite team?

No I made a statement about the nature of neon (It lets terrible players play way above their level), and used an anecdote to support that statement

Although some people interpreted it as only applying in low-mid elo because of the word 'terrible', but I meant it generally across the ranked spectrum.

The bar recharges, but not the slide. She only has two slides. Raze only has two satchels.

She can still jump around for most of the round in anticipation for opportunity for a slide. You're also comparing two different things, Neon's bar is the movement, the slide is an ability. Raze's movement is the satchels.

Wanna know why it makes such a big difference? Imagine you're on bind attack and wanna make a movement play to barrel stuff the player in U-haul with a judge - a pretty common play. With raze you'll probably have to invest both satchels (1 is gonna be too slow) to fly in and make that play. Nobody's there? Too bad, your opportunity to make a movement based play in the round is now over.

If you're on neon, you jump around (using ur bar) through short until you get to the entrance of U-haul. The extra beauty is that you don't even really need to invest a slide when you're there! It's already hard to hit you, so it's an acceptable risk to not even invest one until you're inside and see somebody! You can even jumpspot the inside of it -while at full speed - to make sure someone is there before you use your slide!

But let's say you don't do all that (which isn't even that hard or tedious), and just blind invest the slide anyways. Nobody's there? No worries! You have a bar that's recharging and still another slide! You'll have plenty of other opportunities to put it to use

It's absolutely different because you only need to adjust horizontally for a neon slide and she can't slide past util. It's way harder to hit a flying raze and if you disagree then idk what to say. There's a reason Neon doesn't get picked on Bind.

She can definitely slide past util. It's definitely harder to hit a flying raze, but it's not like its some different world to hitting a temet wannabe who's just shaking his mouse as hard as possible. Neon doesn't get picked on bind because that's literally by far the best raze map in the game, and there's good reason you can only afford to have 1 duelist in a bind comp at a high level.

but if you run that through a simulation, he does not hit that shot every time. You're cherry-picking insane flick clips from Neons. I could do the same with Jett/Reyna players swinging out of a smoke, hitting a flick, and escaping to safety.

The problem is that, unlike jawgemo's mid-air shot, him hitting that shot is intended game design. It's not about him hitting a nice flick/shot. Yes, reyna's can swing out a smoke and hit a nice flick. Is that the same as jumping across mid in less than a second and hit a nice flick thats accurate while moving at full speed? I mean they're really just both nice shots at the end of the day right?

If Neon is sliding on you with a judge, she's giving up range. Stop staring at a choke while she's running at you. Use util to separate her from her team. It's easier to deal with than Jett updraft dash into smoke, which buys time for her whole team to come help her.

Good thing I know exactly where the neon is all times, and exactly what weapon she has every round, and am always in a spot to use my util to separate her from her team. It's really that easy.

when did i saw it was a problem just in low elo? The problem is that people can play at a level they clearly are not at because of the broken and braindead mechanics, I only used the silver 1 in high diamond as an anecdote, its just as valid in high elo.

What parallels? Good thing the post explains exactly that:

1. It encourages a braindead playstyle
2. There is no way for anybody not abusing it to counter it
3. It lets terrible players play way above their level

And what does pre-nerf chamber viper iso or whatever have to do with my points about neon?

fortnite is dogshit as an esport for many reasons, and I agree with basically everything you said.

But there is a huge parallel between the aim-assist debacle in fortnite and what Neon is today

• neon bar is constantly recharging when not in use, unlike both jett and raze's movement util, that was the point of that comment, not the specifics of 4-6 seconds

• it's not different at all except one is higher, its actually as good a comparison as any that ever existed, since the fundamental topic we're discussing is accuracy during movement (run-n-gun)

• using a well timed piece of util (such as a flash) to win a duel != this bullshit, which is not a lucky moment (like jaws kill), but intended game design

• its really not that hard especially with a phantom/spectre, let alone a judge, and its definitely not harder than it is to punish it

Good thing it was an anecdote, not a statistical argument

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drop your tracker

The premise is not dubious, it actually happened. I was in the lobby when it happened. I've told the story in the past:

https://www.vlr.gg/401952/neon-is-broken

#10 for the story
#14 I posted the actual tracker for the game it happened (then edited so weirdos on vlr don't harass suzy)

I'm glad you mentioned raze

Here's a relevant 5 sentence post : https://www.vlr.gg/402114/rate-my-idea

If you think a silver 1 is gonna be able to fry in a high diamond lobby on sage, omen, and FUCKING YORU, you are delusional.

Idk what this post has to do with it, but c9 could actually be a really good team next year if they keep making the right moves. Rossy is a great pick up

"If you make a change to A, A<B"

If you switched Boo and boaster, the 4th point would be correct

TLDR : Neon run-n-gun is just like fortnite aim-assist / L2 spam

Now's a great time to talk about Neon and why she's OP, terrible for the game, and a crutch for bad players to play above their level.

In many ways it mirrors Fortnite's controller aim assist, before it was eventually nerfed.

1. It encourages a braindead playstyle

In fortnite every controller player would just instantly jump in your box (most of the time without even tagging you prior) with no fear of losing that aim duel because they knew they had mini-aimbot and would 200-0 you in a second. In valorant, it's non-stop run and gun, as well as being able to jump around in the open with next to no fear of dying because they know there is no hitscan tracking.

2. There is no way for anybody not abusing it to counter it

In fortnite, you get instabeamed by an inhuman shot (because player input wasn't what was tracking you), or they just jump in your box and the fight is already decided at that point. In valorant, as long as you are above diamond, there is nothing you can do to stop the run-n-gun/judge-in-your-face nonsense. Cypher is not a counter at all - the best cypher map (Sunset) is also a top neon map.

3. It lets terrible players play way above their level

It's obvious for fortnite, random ps4 shitters were owning to pros during competitive events that they were full tryharding in (Cash Cups, etc). In valorant it is just as true and obvious. For the vast majority of players, Neon is a crutch. I personally know a silver 1 who fried in a dia-asc avg custom by running it down with a spectre/judge every single round.
That doesnt mean that the top neon players (KangKang, Aspas, Jawgemo, Zekken, Sayf, etc) aren't good. The problem is when shitters who are not good play insane because they can abuse the broken agent. It was the same in fortnite. Unkown, Reet, Deyy, and Mero being insane was not why aim assist was broken, the problem is that the shitters were when they shouldn't have been.

The last point can give us a historical view of how/when Neon might eventually get nerfed. In fortnite, Aim assist divided the community. The Keyboard players swore (correctly) that it was OP. The controller players (who had a vested interest) tried to pretend it wasn't no matter how ridiculous it obviously was. But when did aim assist get nerfed? When the good controller players started calling it out. The good controller players started getting shit on and outplaced by braindead boxjumpers whom they knew they were better than. And that's how Neon will get nerfed, when the actually good duelists start calling out the crutches for what they are, even if it means they can't abuse it themselves.

1. Be consistent - this is obvious, don't be going on multi-week breaks. choose a 4-6 day-a-week routine and stick to it
2. Eat more - if you eat small you will stay small, your body is made of food. Consistent Caloric surplus + enough daily protein
3. Train hard and progressive overload - your non-warmup sets should be near failure (should be slower reps by the end of a set). Don't bullshit the ROM either, go all the way. Also either add weight, sets, reps, or less rest time between sets, between each session (progressive overload).
4. Get enough sleep, consistently - this is when your muscle grows. be in bed actively trying to fall asleep by midnight every night, not in bed on your phone scrolling tiktok

The specific workout routine is not that important believe it or not, just make sure you're hitting each muscle group at least 2x a week.

'we're going for all 3 this year 🤡🤡🤡'

BLG, KRU, and G2 LMAO

that's confident right?

no its not confidence, its full ego and not being able to admit your faults. You can still have confidence and admit you need to do more. To just fully dismiss your loss with excuses and say on a podcast you'd beat everybody (literally via a tierlist) is no different from babyJ saying he'd be in tier1 if it wasn't just for xyz, but cranked up to 11. TH literally 13-4'd them on icebox and he said they looked shaky on icebox. It's just insane cope.

and what else should he say? me and my team are shit no way we are beating these guys or something?

Yeah cuz thats totally the only thing you can say after a loss. You know what valyn's stream title was on his first stream back from his champs loss? "Trophy case empty gotta work harder". See how he doesn't make excuses for why he fell short or diss other teams level of play or have to call his team shit?

https://youtu.be/sKCeAUzFxTA?si=mmtWcP5h7AmHz-P0

People acting like boaster didn't get on a podcast and call the level of play in a tournament he couldn't qual to low, and talked about how he'd beat those teams based on scrims

People got so much recency bias.

The answer is the team that lost 4 grand finals in one year

after that zander clutch, Galorys are the biggest chokers in valorant. That cannot be happening. That would be bad for a ranked game, for pros thats unacceptable.

Mibr (with coach playing) eliminates 100t -> EG make playoffs -> Win champs

Galorys beat m80 -> Sen Zander -> SEN win champs

This is SEN's MIBR moment.

If galorys win... lets just say it sets off a chain of events

Nobody expected NRG to do anything, their year was already over even if they won that game

GLRS tho... not good timing lets just say that

they both suck at baiting, but dort does it more often (basically nonstop) making him the bigger baiter, maybe not the single biggest on the site but who cares hes the first one i thought of

Lettuce has actual serious threads and comments, here's one of each from this week :

thread (even if you disagree): https://www.vlr.gg/403474/n4rrate-verno-isnt-close

comment : https://www.vlr.gg/401614/na-is-not-all-of-americas

After that TP he might be matchfixing to make it happen

neither of them are good baiters, but basically every single dort comment is bait. Bulkylettuce at least has serious takes when the topic isn't aspas

because 16 hours ago you said babybay is better than prime aspas

Ok the comment in this thread was a bit of a bait, but my 2 part fnatic was never great series was fully serious. Nobody puts in that much effort to bait. Look at dort: the biggest baiter on this site, its like 2 sentences every time.

I agree. Cauanzin at champs 23 was phenomenal. Eeiu would have to have a similar international performance AND widen his agent pool to be on his level individually

calling out fnatic is not specific to a singular person

Trying to dismiss me by associating me with him is lazy, I could just as easily throw you in with sentinelmain, but I won't because you're not a baiter and don't deserve to be compared to one

No tournament is mickey mouse

Wrong.

Short version: Everyone playing according to the rules doesn't guarantee competitive integrity - it's literally the most basic requirement that you don't cheat and have rules that apply to everyone equally. A tournament with high competitive integrity will have a format that is designed to select for the best team.

Long version : (Allat warning) https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

Overall answer: No

But are you asking about tournament itself or SEN's run?

For the tournament itself the qualifier (Kickoff) was questionable (single elim playoffs is trash), but there was a double elim group stage and play-ins.

For SEN's (or any other winning team) run there is a simple test: Can you reasonably name any other team in the world that was better at the time?

For that the answer is a clear No.

He already put Mada on NRG, maybe for EG put a Cryo (Jett/smokes)/Corey (Other duelists) Combo?

This is probably the last one unless I decide to do one about neon being broken, but probably not because this post is generally enough:

https://www.vlr.gg/402114/rate-my-idea

1*

Literally have a picture - that I made rob moore take - of myself with tarik while holding a 'free pancada' sign at Americas Kickoff.

But that doesn't matter and Fnatic has never been the best team in the world

He can like who he likes and I got no problem with that.

But if he or anybody else starts saying 1+1 = 3 someone gotta set it straight

Fluked into Ascension over MXS and OXG, not a very surprising early exit, even if I support them (Myth, Dae, and Hamlinz earned TSM a spot in my heart forever)

thank god!

that guy thinks about faze all day

all I do is spread the truth whether or not fnatic flairs can handle it (usually not)

Could actually do really well if there was a mickey mouse format of if their opponents couldn't practice or play together

It is fnatic after all

Is pointing out that PRX couldn't play with their star player who was the best player in pacific some small nitpicked point?
Is pointing out that EG couldn't practice with their star player some small nitpicked point?

I could summarize virtually everything in 4 lines:

1. Fnatic was never considered the best in the world prior to franchising
2. Lock In was mickey mouse for multiple clear reasons
3. EG and PRX obviously weren't at full strength at tokyo
4. What happened at Tokyo and immediately afterwards - and for a while after that - strongly suggests both of those teams at full strength were better than Fnatic.

Does this chain of reasoning feel like nitpicking?

I challenge you to make a thread on why Tenz wasn't the best player in the world at Reykavic the same way I did this. That shit will get ripped apart instantly because it's obviously untrue. The only thing that I've been successfully challenged on is a minor point about Caunzin being a rookie. The central thesis from those 4 lines still holds strong, whether or not you feel its a waste of time to answer (which in some sense it is, because you're attempting to prove something that is untrue with all the facts already laid out in front of you)

Cloud - Init (Emea)
Less - Senti/Viper (SA)
Valyn - Smokes/IGL (NA)
KangKang - Duelist (CN)
Forsaken - flex (APAC)

Serious replies will be met with a serious reply, and vice versa

Dead for two years and STILL more accomplished than Fraudnatic, 2 > 1*

Homeless Plumber and STILL more accomplished than Fraudnatic - your words not mine, 1> 1*

FREESM and FRAUDNATIC HAVE BEEN #1 IN THE WORLD FOR EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME - 0

1*

Serious replies will be met with a serious reply, and vice versa

SEN CLEARS FRAUDNATIC

2 > 1*

EVEN REDGAR CLEARS

1> 1*

So If I put on an EDG or GENG flair or something you would agree that Fnatic were never great right?

No? Then try addressing even a single point, you have thus proven nothing with this other than that you could yap about aspas and tenz who weren't even mentioned.

If you want to prove FNC was great and prove me wrong, you have a direct way of doing that and a huge list of points I presented to contest.