ASIA-PACIFIC REGIONAL DEBATE

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senjuicer12

VAL = JP>SEA>KR>SA(SOUTHASIA)>>OCE> CN(CHINA)?
LOL = KR=CN>>>SEA(VN,TW)>JP>OCE>>>>>>>>>SA(SOUTHASIA)
CSGO = ?
DOTA = CN>>SEA(PH,MY,SG)>>>>>>>>>>>>>KR>JP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SA(SOUTHASIA)>OCE

as of 05/2022

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DRX beat PRX and went 1-1 with ZETA, who also beat PRX, so it seems more like JP=KR>SEA?

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Zeta beat liquid
JP>Kr

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Liquid didn't even play vs DRX...? Also this is a Regional debate...

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But they are better than DRX

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Well the first time Zeta met DRX they got 5 rounds and 2-0'ed, the second time it was a close win with an 11-13 first map. So I don't think it's fair to say they are better because in the end they are 1-1 against each other.

Unless you're saying Liquid is better than DRX, which is completely unproven because the two have never played each other, and it doesn't even make sense because it's a regional debate..

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lmao good joke

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enri

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Every tourney there is hype for Korean teams but at middle they get clapped out of tourney.
Circular life

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thats the same for every team if they don't win. plus I'm saying good joke because you literally put in TL for comparison, and said JP>KR so like idk man you do you.

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CSGO is so dead in APAC to the point that Mongolia is dominating the scene

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its a dead game for boomers

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CSGO is dead everywhere except for BR and EU

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You're saying that as if Mongolia weren't dominating the scene before Valorant

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overall SEA > KR > JP. but best team JP (Zeta) > KR (DRX) > SEA (PRX). also OCE >> SA

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bruh SEA a whole bunch of countries just put KR > Thailand > Japan > Singapore > Malaysia > PH > Australia > India > Taiwan > Bangladesh > China+HK

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Mf really put Bangladesh above china and hong kong 💀💀💀

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What happened to Indonesia

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Agree with this

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respect ++
cz u wrote SA in LoL
LMFAO

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senjuicer12

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SA is one of the biggest and emerging esports in asia beside CN(CHINA)

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who tf said?

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senjuicer12

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i mean south asia is one of the promising emerging esports in asia, because of its population equal with china

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there are still lot of ppl who think that gaming/esports is for those who cant get jobs/study

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senjuicer12

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nah maybe they'll change their minds bro and open their hearts on esports

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an asian mum's slippers will hit you faster than you can open their hearts

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sweetdreams11

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true

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haha

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Asian in general

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one day i will watch an indian dude explain the concepts of MOBAs and Tac FPS with a shitty mic on youtube, just like in math and coding

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sweetdreams11

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lol copium

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depends on whether india keeps producing players like Forsaken, who cheat. i still feel bad for the indian cs community cuz of that.

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its sad to see an entire region being looked down upon due to one idiot, people speak as if only forsaken cheated, forsaken was just a bigger idiot than the other cheaters thats all, even some 'pro' players now have cheated in the past when they were in lower ranks/were no namers

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ayo gotta give forsaken credit for having huge balls to do it on LAN.

But yeah, one region being mocked for a single cheater, despite other regions have pros being banned. Hell, atleast Forsaken lost his career. In NA you just swap games and you're all good to go.

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Don't disrespect my Indian guys, I would not have survived my CS major without them.

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no disrespect at all my dude. they helped me out as well.

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That Indian youtube guy are my CS Professor

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Esports mobile yes.

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DeluluGavin

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wtf did i just see?

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man said kr=cn in LoL

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mofoko high as shit

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true AF

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Nuturn with Lakia >>>>>>>>> than whole APAC

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japan is not good. they are a bigger 1 team region than kr

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Nisham

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In League, its CN > KR.
Its close but CN has better depth while KR is more top heavy. Top 8 in CN can beat each other while in KR its top 4-5 besides T1

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sweetdreams11

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compare world titles

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to be fair china has won more recent titles, tho thats largely to do with the koreans on the chinese teams

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Nisham

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China was won the last 3 out of 4. And the last 2 out of 3 MSI
Both stats from after 2018.
China is just better and performs better in worlds and finals.

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Chinese teams have korean players in them while korean teams do not have chinese players.

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Nisham

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RNG has no korean players and has won 2 of l;ast MSI tho?
And when in finals its the Chinese junglers that carry. (Tian in FPX, JieJie in EDG) Only exception is The Shy in 2018.

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kr>>>.

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DeluluGavin

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without KR players i doubt they could have gone to the final so...

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Yeah, but your argument was that China has better depth in their teams. And the fact that Chinese teams have Korean players in it really shows how impactful they are. Remember it's a team game

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no ur flat our wrong lol. jiejie was only impactful in the games they won not the series throughout and fpx literally had doinb. the fact remains that every chinese worlds winner had their carry players which were korean; theshy rookie doinb viper scout

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Nisham

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Scout was korean but his career was made in the LPL. IN THE CHINA REGION. LPL >>>>>>>>
HE has the LPL style, he only through acad in LCK, and his pro career was made in the LPL
LCK didn't give him the chance to prove himself, LPL did

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jimjam789

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are you slow? theres a reason they were got scouted. they were born and trained in korea, its not like they started playing LoL in china. its almost as if he had to adapt to the region and teams he was playing with and against LMAO.

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kr better...cant win without korean carry players

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Nisham

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Weird how Tian carried FPX in finals tho
Same with Jie Jie.
The game Jie Jie was prioritized EDG won.
And in the EDG doc JieJie asks for the team to give him the resources, and when they did they won.

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sweetdreams11

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kr>>

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DeluluGavin

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LPL without Kr imports can barely win anything tho

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every chinese team that won worlds had at least 2 korean players who also arguably happened to be their star players
iG: Theshy, Rookie
FPX: Gimgoon, Doinb
EDG: Scout, Viper

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Doinb was freakin scary

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Nisham

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But in Finals the Chinese players are the ones who carry tho. JieJie in EDG (Man stole every baron and jungle gapped Canyon). Tian and LWX (Tian was everywhere, LWX went deathless, Doinb was crazy tho)

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inorder to play in finals they need kr players lol

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Nisham

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Yea but LPL still better, Scout grew in LPL. Same with Doinb, his career was made in LPL
They play like LPL, not like lCK

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The only reason they grew in LPL was because Chinese teams simply paid more than Korean teams. They are still Korean players.

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Nisham

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Their careers were made in LPL. Im not saying their nationality lol. Their league, Their league is LPL and LPL is the best.
Scout wouldve made it to any LCK team but he wanted starting spot and LPL gave him that. LPL grows the korean talent and the talents paly the LPL style, not the LCK style or game

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kkkkkkkkkkkk

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Do you really think Scout became a great player solely because he played in LPL? He had his talent and potential as a basis, he would've succeeded in LCK as well. You can't say LPL>LCK when it's flooded with Koreans players.

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Scout was literally the second midlaner for SKT T1 while faker was in his prime lmao?

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japan with one fluke 3rd place tourney, "they are better thank kr/sea" OMEGALUL

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Jwpp33

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Did SEA have any good runs in global competitions though? The best performance I can recall is PRX's run last masters.

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Valorant is a new game ya.

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Jwpp33

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and your point is?

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Instead of saying which teams are better based on their best global achievement rankings, I think its also imperative to analyze each teams' roster changes, reshuffles or any individuals that stands out or came back from hiatus.

For example, the current Zeta Divisions are comprised of Japans top players from different Esports teams:
Sugarzero aand TENNN from Northception til (Dec 2021),
Depp from Team Reject (til Dec 2021) with the remaining 3 members moving forward from Absolute Jupiter.

DRX, K1ng who went inactive since Dec 2021.

Xerxia, with Patiphan who left the Valorant scene to Overwatch with higher renumerations, ultimately replaced by Surf.

PRX with their member Shiba replaced by Jinggg.

Bleed roster swapping out FirstLove and Flaring for Pyth and Maxie from Sweden.

As more agents get introduce and meta changes over time, there might be a change in team/role compositions, acquiring players from other regions or Esports and even influx of newer players joining the scene from CSGO or Overwatch. The game is fairly young but dynamic. Since its advent in 2020, its has only been slightly more than 1 year in, so I think its hard to say which region is better than which region now.

*ps i freaking love Mako's gunplay from DRX. 10/10

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Right. I agree with the points you've made about the fast-paced meta changes and the competitive scene being only a year old. But adapting to the meta, including the roster changes you've mentioned and changes in team compositions, contributes to the team's overall skill level and this is evident in their global event results. Because at the end of the day, what decides a winner and a loser is the result itself, not the process.

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Fyujin

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how about nuturn's 3rd placing on first masters to disprove your point? putting jp>kr is a joke

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Jwpp33

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What point are you disproving? I never said JP>KR? in fact it should be KR>JP

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everyone rated that APAC below KR and JP because 1 fluke run is full cope
APAC is more consistent and bigger scene that one team region

and no, this is not flag bias

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Jwpp33

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They are consistently performing worse than KR and JP's "fluke" runs though

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tonyhart7

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and you are latam with extra step

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Jwpp33

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Based on results, when did SEA consistently perform better than KR and JP?

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senjuicer12

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LAST CHAMPIONS HELLO?

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tonyhart7

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every team SEA send consistently enter top 10 lmao

while Vision striker eliminated in group stage

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Jwpp33

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Xerxia was eliminated in group stage last masters. DRX got out of groups in every events except for last champions

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tonyhart7

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xerxia eliminated because its a optic the winner master 1, if its other team like easier group a like jp or sea

pretty sure they will send them home

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Jwpp33

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They lost to TL though

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Patiphan aint here in the Valorant scene ya. The real monster playing overwatch for $$$

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senjuicer12

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X10C AND TS AT PLAYOFFS WHILE KR AND JP ARE OUT OF THE TOURNAMENT

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Jwpp33

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But we're talking about consistency, right? Masters 3 PRX was eliminated in group stage, and last masters DRX and ZETA arguably performed better than SEA teams.

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senjuicer12

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educate me, when did SEA not in playoffs?

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Masters 3, and they performed worse than KR and JP in last masters.

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who were the teams?

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Jwpp33

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PRX lost to both DRX and ZETA last masters, and PRX lost to DRX in group stage in masters 3. The only event when SEA performed better than KR and JP was in champions.

continue thread →

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PRX, and only PRX. Bren (now Secret) were supposed to qualify for the event but visas were hard to acquire.

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AVERAGE CHINESE SINGAPOREAN BRAINDEAD KID OPINION OMEGALUL IDOT BFARtING ON 1856 TIME OLD AGE OMEGALUL

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#107

Ploodle_Shankypoo

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LOL AVERAGE MAD CHINESE SINGAPOREAN KID, WHY U SO MAD BRO???? DID I STRIKE A NERVE???? IT'S OKAY TO BE MAD BRO HAHAHHAA

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chinnese owns ur country bitch

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Ploodle_Shankypoo

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LOLLLLL GONNA CRY? GONNA PISS UR PANTS? MAYBE EVEN CUM??? WHY SO MAD KID KEKWKEKW

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tonyhart7

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kekw change flag, insecure about ur country ?

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KEKW SO CARING OF ME TOU, TY FOR CARING AND LOOKING OUT FOR ME CHINESE SINGAPOREAN KID OMEGALUL

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JP=SEA=KR

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csgo probably china/mongolia cause i think they're the only region still playing the game lol

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Hmm

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On Valorant, if based on aim China must be better from SA and OCE at least.
For CSGO China teams was better than any APAC teams i think.

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China's aim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asia (XIA Foxz)

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genenome

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yeahh many pro players said if based on aim they're so good, but braindead just run and shoot without strat hahahaha

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no bias KR>SEA=JP... From past history JP never placed higher than SEA (in master and champion) except last master and although you guy said that PRX lost to JP team twice, X10(XIA) and TS also beat CR, the best JP team at that time so I don't think the skill gap between SEA and JP are too far. For Korea, we need to accept that they beat SEA and JP so many time although FS beat NU and DWG during LCQ but other SEA teams lost to Korea. Therefore, in overall I think Korea still the strongest but the skill gap not that large anymore. Hopefully, next year we will see more match between SEA,KR and JP more, it gonna be fun:)

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Zeta had one cinderella run and now all of a sudden Japan is the best region? Even better than Korea? No way dude, just because Zeta may be the best team in Asia and has the best result doesn't mean the whole region is at their level. Zeta did not play as well as they played in Reykjavik locally and were still way better than everyone else in Japan. Japan was a one-team region even before Zeta became elite the rest of the region has not shown that they are nearly as good. Now that Zeta is elite, they can definitely catch up, but you can not say the rest are as good because Zeta improved outside of the region. Both Korea and SEA have had better results and have sent more great teams internationally.

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interesting thread 🏄

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JP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>