there is no explanation, and we can’t prove anything bc sen is not playing with sinatraa in this form of the game. i’d need to see how they play in this era with sinatraa to be able to say who’s better. i’m just theorizing that SEN would be better bc of the insane amount of impact sinatraa can have on sova and shahz can have on jett. i think sen is significantly better on icebox with tenz bc shahz and tenz work together well on the reyna, and since tenz is better than sinatraa his reyna is better. i just think sinatraa’s raze and sova impact in this meta would be insane, though we couldn’t be sure. sorry for long explanation
yeah, but doesn't Shaz=Tenz on duelist? i feel like shaz is significantly worse than sinatraa on sova, while tenz and shaz are kind of equivalent on duelist, maybe tenz is a little bit better. this is the one thing that makes me think Sen COULD work better with sinatraa but the results here seem kinda undeniable
Hot take AHEAD: −zombs +sinatraa move dapr to smokes as he's played viper before or sick since that guy can do anything, comps would look a little something like this
Sinatraa: Raze/Sova
Tenz: Jett/Reyna
Sick: Phoenix/Smokes/Sage(Icebox)
Dapr: Sentinel/Astra/Viper
Shaz: Jett/Sova
I really like zombs as an anchor and smoke player but there's just way too much talent and opportunity on this team. 6 man possibility but i don't really like the ideas of 6 man roster. Also we haven't seen sinatraa in the new meta, and I believe sinatraa is definitely a top 10 player if not top 5 in NA. However 6 months is a very long time for this game and by September rolls around things will be VERY different and there's no possible way for any of us to make a solid debate since we have no idea what this game will look like in 6 months time
agreed, although i dont think shaz or sick will ever be as good as sinatraa is on those characters they have things that they bring to the table other besides that. this post was more to try and make a situation possible where they could have the best player consistently and tenz on the same roster, they would really be unstoppable
i dont think its about tenz but i do agree sen management probably thing long term of zombs, hes growing very fast and is starting to really show numbers, even before he was a pretty good anchor but hes really ascended recently. they are however still paying for sinatraa and that must be hefty considering the numbers he was getting paid in owl
I think SEN wouldve been better if they had stuck with sinatraa, it wouldve allowed shahz to play the jett more often and overall SEN's map pool was significantly better as their bind, split, and ascent were a lot more consistent and less volatile with sinatraa. Either way, SEN is still the best team in the world unless Fnatic makes a LB run and beats them in the grand finals, as I don't think any other team at iceland other than fnatic is remotely on their level
tenz either stays with sen and continues pro play or sinatraa comes back and tenz leaves again since he wont play with c9 now the have a completely new roster and wont fit in, i would feel bad for the rest of c9 if tenz does return to them. Sen keep tenz sinatraa finds a new team or they play 6 man only way i see it right now, sen have 4 months to decide what to do so we'll see.
I thought the idea of this thread was kinda like leaving politics aside -
I will say if you think TenZ is the reason Sentinels are doing so well you probably didnt watch much Sentinels beforehand, but he has been a great addition to the Roster in Sinatraa's absence. Now which is "better" for the team-- So I think Sinatraa fit in better with Sentinels but considering time constraints TenZ has done an excellent job-- it just felt like they kinda played more as a team with Jay but I think part of that maybe because Tyson is good enough on certain agents to have the impact of "if I do well .. Ill just win the round" and this actually hurts him sometimes as well because he goes for these plays in a lot of situations and ends up being the first death. I feel like TenZ when he's at his best is unbeatable (unless your name is Hunter Mims possibly) but I do like Shahzam's Jett better and I think Sinatraa although he had slumps at times, not having as much CSGO experience, he was more explosive and fun to watch on the movement and entry end IMO* - In the end Im grateful to TenZ for stepping in and helping them when they needed it.
Kinda curious tho.. on the mental side - who pumped up their team more -- Sinatraa cause of the antics and flashiness or TenZ cause hes fkn TenZ and its kinda hype to have him on loan and plus his bullets are heatseaking
I agree with most of this, except for TenZ's impact. Some plays are very risky, but then again, he also provides some new looks for this lineup.
I don't recall a time where double OP looked as oppressive with sinatraa on the lineup. Shahzam has also seemed to reel back some of TenZ's "reddit/twitch play" tendencies and made him even more dangerous and unpredictable.
As a thought experiment, change all the Sentinel players to others with similar skill. If the IGL wasn't Shahzam, this whole thing wouldn't be a conversation. Shahz being able and willing to give up one of his signature picks (Jett), and play something else like Sova, is the reason why TenZ looks so good on this team.
He's saying that he believes that Sinatraa is guilty to the point where it's obvious to him. That doesn't mean it's obvious to everyone.
I see what you're saying though... It is a bit contradictory and makes the reader feel like he isn't truly convinced that Sinatraa is guilty, but that's nit picking IMO.
Sentinels with TenZ is roaster that would stay on top of the scenes till champions. The team can't lose. I am not predicting a flawless run till champions. But they won't lose any major. They ll win it all. Period. The team is insane. TenZ stepping up, if not then Shaz, if not then SicK, if not then Dapr and zombs with some incredible site holds and clutches.
I feel like a lot of people overrate Sinatraa after his messy exit. I’m not sure if they’re fanboying, or if I missed something from his career. He was a great Sova, but I don’t remember him being the greatest. He spammed LMGs, knew some crazy darts, and was toxic in a funny way (like dapr), so maybe that’s why fans were so high on him. I just remember his Reyna game against NV on Icebox, where he got absolutely farmed by food lol.
TenZ is a better player. Slightly more aggressive, but much better aim and impact. SEN has reached new heights with him.
it was a tournament mvp i think. but sinatraa was definitely the best sova when he was playing, and one of the best flex players. i think sen are much better against NA teams with tenz, but i think sinatraa would give them an additional advantage over EU teams. that's literally just speculation from me tho, so i could be very wrong
Sentinels is definitely better with TenZ. Results aside, they look more cooperative with trade fragging and have significantly more firepower with Tenz in the lineup.
With sinatraa, they were innovative and smart how they played. They didn't have the same firepower.
My theory is that TenZ raised the Sentinels ceiling, but they still have the foundation of 4 solid players. If Tenz dies early trying a "star play", the other 4 have the teamwork to stave off a 5 man push.
i think sen is better with tenz because i saw many points targeting the game sense and the problem of him going forward and dying first . but if you notice then we can see a clear difference between the tenz that joined sen and the one playing right now and for this i would appreciate shazam for moulding him into a balanced player and over the time he will only get better and i dont find a better duo than tenz and sick in na or the world.
TBH, it's a tough debate but I think that TenZ is the better player for SEN IMO. His frags per round have a tendency to be very impactful to the outcome of the round. Although Sinatraa is more of a team player as he often plays Sova and gets the team vital info that they could use in the round to help them win, I would argue that TenZ is more effective at getting impactful frags, while Sinatraa is better at getting info, but I deem TenZ as the better player since he scores a higher ACS* and he wins more of his aim duels, plays with the team while also trying to entry frag and his more consistent.
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