val comps are too tame

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tetris69

why don't teams try to innovate and stray away from the usual 1-1-1-2 role comp
like 3 sentinels in defense heavy maps or whatever new shit they can think on
teams mostly try to play the meta well rather than countering the meta.. imo it makes the comp a bit boring

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yeah i miss when Steel brought the 3 initiator thing. That was super creative and other teams started doing it as well, it just sucks that steel wasnt that good at KAYO so they couldnt get the full potential

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ciro

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Liquid invented that!!!!!!

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spookmeister

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shit idk maybe im wrong but it was the very first time i had seen it mb

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bruddah

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i thought it was haven liberty?

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ciro

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As far as i know, havan started it in stage 3 while Liquid did it in stage 2 itself

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array

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So maybe they both came up with that independently?

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Yeah, I've seen Steel and Hiko talk about what they liked that teams from other regions were doing (like vision strikers, Acend, Liquid, etc.) and why they thought they were good/bad. And then sometimes, 100T would play the new comps/strats and be very good at them too. 100T with steel was a very fun team to watch imo. I just hope the new roster is as good too.

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dapada

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"3 sentinels in defense heavy maps" ok

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LouBag

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You get very little value out of a 3rd sentinel.

But I can definitely see more 2 sentinel lines ups now that chamber is in meta.

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Bronze-Smurf

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Is chamber really a sentinel tho...

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SnooTangerines

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He definately is a better sentinel than sage.

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batstew1

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watch soniqs, they aren't playing any duelists

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LouBag

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I hate non duelist comps. It always feels like the teams that run them are trying to be “smarter” than everyone else.

Really it just handicaps your firepower.

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tetris69

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it's breach though
breach has enough firepower

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batstew1

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and chamber too
the agent that has guns for abilities

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HackNaija

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not really

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Meghnad

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Doesn't necessarily mean they want to look "smarter". They've probably done some thinking before hand lol, if it wouldn't have worked in practice then they wouldn't be playing them and risking losing just to look "smarter".

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i feel like this is too early for that, considering riot wants 70 agents up in this bitch we might have to wait for this a while longer

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Not more than a year or two tho

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justboy

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SONIQS actual GIGACHAD for having no duelists on every map

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Meghnad

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And they're also doing good!

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KoreanOverlord

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Korea used to do triple initiator

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S0v4k

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Let's go 5 duelist meta

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hiyo

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TSM FIRST STRIKE triple duelist meta

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Asphyxia

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Double Initiator, double duelist comps are pretty common ie. VS bind comp: Jett(BuZz), Raze(Rb), Breach(Stax), Skye(Lakia), Astra(MaKo).

TSM triple duelist comp in first strike on split is 100% meta so idk what u mean by teams only run 1-1-1-2 comps.

Also Triple Initiators were really well done by Ghost on Haven against Faze? I think. Lol that retake.

Double smoke comps are also pretty common due to Astra-Viper being prevalent on maps such as Bind, Split, Haven, Ascent and literally everything.
And Brim-Viper comps were really common on bind such as Fnatic's iconic bind comp: Brim, Viper, Skye, Raze, Sova

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bbydrix

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watch soniqs play. all their comps are unique and have no duelists

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idkbro

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because it doesnt work, you need some balance, if you run 3 sentinels you could probably hold sides easily but no info, etc.. you would be really exploitable and thats on defense and its not like you are gonna win like 80% of the rounds and if you run that type of comp you either stomp on defense or you are fucked cuz if you want to do something on attack you better pray to every god of every religion and do every prayer there is because idk how you are meant to attack with no/little info agents, raze/breach kinda agents who take space easily,.... No offense but what rank are you if you think shit like that would work