val comps are too tame

why don't teams try to innovate and stray away from the usual 1-1-1-2 role comp
like 3 sentinels in defense heavy maps or whatever new shit they can think on
teams mostly try to play the meta well rather than countering the meta.. imo it makes the comp a bit boring

yeah i miss when Steel brought the 3 initiator thing. That was super creative and other teams started doing it as well, it just sucks that steel wasnt that good at KAYO so they couldnt get the full potential

"3 sentinels in defense heavy maps" ok

watch soniqs, they aren't playing any duelists

i feel like this is too early for that, considering riot wants 70 agents up in this bitch we might have to wait for this a while longer

dapada [#3]

"3 sentinels in defense heavy maps" ok

You get very little value out of a 3rd sentinel.

But I can definitely see more 2 sentinel lines ups now that chamber is in meta.

batstew1 [#4]

watch soniqs, they aren't playing any duelists

I hate non duelist comps. It always feels like the teams that run them are trying to be “smarter” than everyone else.

Really it just handicaps your firepower.

LouBag [#7]

I hate non duelist comps. It always feels like the teams that run them are trying to be “smarter” than everyone else.

Really it just handicaps your firepower.

it's breach though
breach has enough firepower

spookmeister [#2]

yeah i miss when Steel brought the 3 initiator thing. That was super creative and other teams started doing it as well, it just sucks that steel wasnt that good at KAYO so they couldnt get the full potential

Liquid invented that!!!!!!

SONIQS actual GIGACHAD for having no duelists on every map

ciro [#9]

Liquid invented that!!!!!!

shit idk maybe im wrong but it was the very first time i had seen it mb

tetris69 [#8]

it's breach though
breach has enough firepower

and chamber too
the agent that has guns for abilities

Korea used to do triple initiator

ciro [#9]

Liquid invented that!!!!!!

i thought it was haven liberty?

jawn [#5]

i feel like this is too early for that, considering riot wants 70 agents up in this bitch we might have to wait for this a while longer

Not more than a year or two tho

LouBag [#7]

I hate non duelist comps. It always feels like the teams that run them are trying to be “smarter” than everyone else.

Really it just handicaps your firepower.

not really

bruddah [#14]

i thought it was haven liberty?

As far as i know, havan started it in stage 3 while Liquid did it in stage 2 itself

LouBag [#6]

You get very little value out of a 3rd sentinel.

But I can definitely see more 2 sentinel lines ups now that chamber is in meta.

Is chamber really a sentinel tho...

Let's go 5 duelist meta

TSM FIRST STRIKE triple duelist meta

Double Initiator, double duelist comps are pretty common ie. VS bind comp: Jett(BuZz), Raze(Rb), Breach(Stax), Skye(Lakia), Astra(MaKo).

TSM triple duelist comp in first strike on split is 100% meta so idk what u mean by teams only run 1-1-1-2 comps.

Also Triple Initiators were really well done by Ghost on Haven against Faze? I think. Lol that retake.

Double smoke comps are also pretty common due to Astra-Viper being prevalent on maps such as Bind, Split, Haven, Ascent and literally everything.
And Brim-Viper comps were really common on bind such as Fnatic's iconic bind comp: Brim, Viper, Skye, Raze, Sova

ciro [#17]

As far as i know, havan started it in stage 3 while Liquid did it in stage 2 itself

So maybe they both came up with that independently?

watch soniqs play. all their comps are unique and have no duelists

Bronze-Smurf [#18]

Is chamber really a sentinel tho...

He definately is a better sentinel than sage.

ciro [#9]

Liquid invented that!!!!!!

Yeah, I've seen Steel and Hiko talk about what they liked that teams from other regions were doing (like vision strikers, Acend, Liquid, etc.) and why they thought they were good/bad. And then sometimes, 100T would play the new comps/strats and be very good at them too. 100T with steel was a very fun team to watch imo. I just hope the new roster is as good too.

LouBag [#7]

I hate non duelist comps. It always feels like the teams that run them are trying to be “smarter” than everyone else.

Really it just handicaps your firepower.

Doesn't necessarily mean they want to look "smarter". They've probably done some thinking before hand lol, if it wouldn't have worked in practice then they wouldn't be playing them and risking losing just to look "smarter".

justboy [#10]

SONIQS actual GIGACHAD for having no duelists on every map

And they're also doing good!

because it doesnt work, you need some balance, if you run 3 sentinels you could probably hold sides easily but no info, etc.. you would be really exploitable and thats on defense and its not like you are gonna win like 80% of the rounds and if you run that type of comp you either stomp on defense or you are fucked cuz if you want to do something on attack you better pray to every god of every religion and do every prayer there is because idk how you are meant to attack with no/little info agents, raze/breach kinda agents who take space easily,.... No offense but what rank are you if you think shit like that would work