why didn't EDG clear

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Nef0r0

Like the crowd gave them a tip, clear every corner possible, it is almost a guarantee you are getting lurked. Or is playing off of crowd noises not as developed in valorant as in cs?

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cause Semen is trash

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kinda surprised how a champs winner doesn't know how a crowd can help him

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world champions btw

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Nef0r0

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yeah but isn't playing off of crowd reactions a basic skill?

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id argue that edg have competitive integrity and are right in not using crowd noise

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Nef0r0

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using crowd is not competitive intergrity, it's an advantage you gain based on how the Observer shows the game. if he was at the other site there is no way the crowd makes this pop and EDG have no advantage

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it literally is. during shanghai major, one team(i forgot which team) was literally winning rounds off of the crowd and were blatant in showing that they doing that. its meant to simulate how a normal person would play a game of valorant. if you are playing ranked, would u have a crowd to cheat of off?

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it's the same as taking a penalty kick in football and having the enemy crowd boo at you or distract you when you are taking the penalty kick. does the goalkeeper control what the crowd does? No. does he get an advantage because of it? Yes.
''its meant to simulate how a normal person would play a game of valorant''
disagree, its meant to show the very best of valorant and how they would play and adjust to situations within or outside of their control

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it's the same as taking a penalty kick in football and having the enemy crowd boo at you or distract you when you are taking the penalty kick. does the goalkeeper control what the crowd does? No. does he get an advantage because of it? Yes.

are you dumb? the best players in football are not distracted by such things so they are still able to deliver their best despite distractions. also, if they were playing in a studio, can they use crowd noise? no.

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and the best players in val still show up despite whatever the crowd does, yes.
If they were playing in a studio, there would indeed be no crowd noise, but crowd will always be a factor, until we get 100% sound proof booths

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idk about cs but its very difficult to hear the crowd on val

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Nef0r0

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absolutely not, it's only for the stream. I am pretty sure val uses the same combo of in-ear-headphones + pilot headphones, and it would give off a sound like this https://youtu.be/Z5XUjYa6tNQ?t=25 After the death you can hear the crowd pop, so I am 100% positive EDG were able to hear the crowd

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foythvlr

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they do but there's also high white noise on the headphones its not only game sound

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Nef0r0

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I am pretty sure the crowd pop is still heard, they use the same principle as ESL does, and you can hear on the video that electronic (the player who died) was able to hear the crowd getting louder after he died

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foythvlr

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they can but its very difficult. they likely hear more from the teammate's microphone but is still muffled. prob not reliable enough so they dont take into account. i heard some val players talking about this already, thats why im saying

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honestly the best crowd cheating advice was given by device (4 time cs go major winner). Get a guy in the crowd, give him a designated sign. He raises it = Go A. He is not holding it = Go B. How can you tell you are using his sign as a cheat? :D

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foythvlr

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prob more reliable than crowd sound but still kinda fallible on a big venue

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Nef0r0

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now that I think about it at esports you might have some baseball shenanigans where the players get signals from outside of nowhere, starting with your coach fist bumping you on your left or right shoulder, the sign in the crowd or the chant sung by a group

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Players their ears taped so they don't hear the crowd brother

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Nef0r0

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don't they have in-ear-headphone + pilot headphone?

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cuz your people paid EDG oil money to throw.

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valorant and cs2 events literally use the same soundproof headphones in lan events so they can't hear them is absolute bs

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Nef0r0

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so then all the crowd cheers in Shanghai were not helpful at all? Which would help teams clear the corners?

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idk whose side you on bro

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none, I am just wondering how could you say that they cannot hear the crowd but then we have shanghai where there were rounds where the crowd noise did make a difference. I personally think that it is bad that the crowd can cheer, but the players themselves are not to blame. If you get an advantage, you use it, if not, you are not trying hard enough to win

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edg not used to being crowd favorites i guess lol

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Nef0r0

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like as far as I remember it was 2 lurks who just hold the chokepoint and then the pack of two players on mid, crowd starts getting louder, and I was just astonished to see two things:
the t1 player waiting for both to show up (in cs the pro would just shoot the first when he hears the crowd get louder)
edg not clearing anything at all