the GOAT Conversation

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sentinelmain377

5 players in contention right now:

LOUD/LEV/MIBR Aspas
GMB/FNC Chronicle
FNC/VIT Derke
LOUD/VIT Less
GUILD/FNC Leo - sickness weighing him down though

6th: Alfajer
7th-8th: prob Sacy & MaKo

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lol

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KK

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2 good years

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maybe if he wins a masters

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Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023 only derke and mabye alf deserve to be here

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Chronicle?

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sentinelmain377

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???

Derke has been top 7 player minimum every year since 2021. you know that right????
Alfajer has been the 2nd best player of 2023 and one of the best in 2022 and 2024
Chronicle was 2nd best player of 2021, and top 3-10 in 2023 and 2024
Leo is the goat according to anyone that has played with him or uses braincells (Also the #1 player of 2023)

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Did I not say derke and alf deserve? And leo and chronicle are just over glazed

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sentinelmain377

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Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023

this doesnt mean anything. they are still the GOAT team of Valorant rn anyways (FNATIC overall top 4 in 2021, top 6 in 2022, top 1 in 2023, top 8 in 2024)

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I mean they won 2 emea trophies in 2024 they just sucked internqtionally, didnt qual for madrid last place shanghai and i think it was 6th in champs but in emea they were aight

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Cumnicle is not in it. Was never the best player on any of his teams. Glorified role player.

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sentinelmain377

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average new VCT watcher

you all forgot 2021

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Yistyy

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carried by nAts

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sentinelmain377

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average new VCT watcher. misinformed and brainwashed by all the AMERICAS and PACIFIC propaganda

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Yistyy

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new VCT watcher

i've been watching vct since 2020

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sentinelmain377

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ur just retarded asfuck then LMFAO

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Yistyy

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not retarded, just not delulu enough to think someone who has never even been the best or even close to the best is the goat.

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clearly not paying attention

chronicle was the best player of 2021

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sentinelmain377

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very close 2nd (after GMB nAts)

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Yistyy

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that was tenz, nAts and cned.

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sentinelmain377

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WTF AM I READING BRO???? the brainwashing is insane

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Yistyy

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yeah how is it not tenz? he was so dominant for all of 2021. he did his best to carry sen at berlin and champs but you can only go so far after having no coach, shahzam igl, zombs, and being hard anti'd by the whole world.

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sentinelmain377

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all of 2021??
bro it was only Reykjavik. he was average-sometimes good at best after that and his team wasnt performing either
thas like saying Demon1 was the best player in 2023 (when Leo and Alfajer were CLEARLY gods the whole year)

meanwhile Gambit attended 2 finals in a row (nAts invented like 80% of Sentinel setups people use today and Chronicle was always getting 3ks and 4ks with Vandal against teams like Envy)

also ur forgetting about Chronicle on Initiator vs Chronicle on Flex

here are my non-biased lists for top 20 every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

continue thread →

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Mykolas

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Aspas is the goat, the other five can catch him

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KK clears

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Leo solos

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babushka_boii95

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Chronicle or leo ngl. Maybe less or aspas maybe in the convo but aspas is a stats baiter player and less maybe in the next year

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aspas and it's not close

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shzuo

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You're right actually
But Leo is below them since he just went crazy on 2023.
And Sacy higher (the only one with champions/masters and with different teams)

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shermie

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In terms of raw skill, Leo is probably the best player the game will ever see, but it's looking like he's gonna be the R9 of Valorant.

In reality though, its between Aspas and Chronicle, and Aspas statistically is much better so he's leading that conversation and will for a while.

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teilwal

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Leo would be considered top 3 in the goat conversation if he wasnt sick, aspas and chronicle are the only ones in contention for now

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unofficialwaifu

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where tenz

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sentinelmain377

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TenZ:
2x masters winner, 2x finals, 6 international appearances
#4 player of 2021 (after nAts, Chronicle, cNed)
-did ABSOLUTELY nothing in 2022
-did ABSOLUTELY nothing in 2023
#8 player of 2024 (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, Derke)

and now retired...
not enough for being considered a GOAT

also no coaches/players have genuinely been referring to him in GOAT player conversations. However, 90% of EMEA pro scene (coaches & players) refer to Leo as the GOAT.

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sacy?