the GOAT Conversation

5 players in contention right now:

• LOUD/LEV/MIBR Aspas
• GMB/FNC Chronicle
• FNC/VIT Derke
• LOUD/VIT Less
• GUILD/FNC Leo - sickness weighing him down though

6th: Alfajer
7th-8th: prob Sacy & MaKo

lol

KK

Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023 only derke and mabye alf deserve to be here

Cumnicle is not in it. Was never the best player on any of his teams. Glorified role player.

Aspas is the goat, the other five can catch him

KK clears

PrimmeMuncher [#4]

Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023 only derke and mabye alf deserve to be here

Chronicle?

PrimmeMuncher [#4]

Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023 only derke and mabye alf deserve to be here

???

Derke has been top 7 player minimum every year since 2021. you know that right????
Alfajer has been the 2nd best player of 2023 and one of the best in 2022 and 2024
Chronicle was 2nd best player of 2021, and top 3-10 in 2023 and 2024
Leo is the goat according to anyone that has played with him or uses braincells (Also the #1 player of 2023)

Leo solos

Yistyy [#5]

Cumnicle is not in it. Was never the best player on any of his teams. Glorified role player.

average new VCT watcher

you all forgot 2021

sentinelmain377 [#11]

average new VCT watcher

you all forgot 2021

carried by nAts

Chronicle or leo ngl. Maybe less or aspas maybe in the convo but aspas is a stats baiter player and less maybe in the next year

Yistyy [#12]

carried by nAts

average new VCT watcher. misinformed and brainwashed by all the AMERICAS and PACIFIC propaganda

sentinelmain377 [#14]

average new VCT watcher. misinformed and brainwashed by all the AMERICAS and PACIFIC propaganda

new VCT watcher

i've been watching vct since 2020

sentinelmain377 [#9]

???

Derke has been top 7 player minimum every year since 2021. you know that right????
Alfajer has been the 2nd best player of 2023 and one of the best in 2022 and 2024
Chronicle was 2nd best player of 2021, and top 3-10 in 2023 and 2024
Leo is the goat according to anyone that has played with him or uses braincells (Also the #1 player of 2023)

Did I not say derke and alf deserve? And leo and chronicle are just over glazed

PrimmeMuncher [#16]

Did I not say derke and alf deserve? And leo and chronicle are just over glazed

Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023

this doesnt mean anything. they are still the GOAT team of Valorant rn anyways (FNATIC overall top 4 in 2021, top 6 in 2022, top 1 in 2023, top 8 in 2024)

aspas and it's not close

You're right actually
But Leo is below them since he just went crazy on 2023.
And Sacy higher (the only one with champions/masters and with different teams)

Yistyy [#15]

new VCT watcher

i've been watching vct since 2020

ur just retarded asfuck then LMFAO

Yistyy [#15]

new VCT watcher

i've been watching vct since 2020

clearly not paying attention

chronicle was the best player of 2021

sentinelmain377 [#20]

ur just retarded asfuck then LMFAO

not retarded, just not delulu enough to think someone who has never even been the best or even close to the best is the goat.

kfan4238173 [#21]

clearly not paying attention

chronicle was the best player of 2021

very close 2nd (after GMB nAts)

kfan4238173 [#21]

clearly not paying attention

chronicle was the best player of 2021

that was tenz, nAts and cned.

Yistyy [#24]

that was tenz, nAts and cned.

WTF AM I READING BRO???? the brainwashing is insane

In terms of raw skill, Leo is probably the best player the game will ever see, but it's looking like he's gonna be the R9 of Valorant.

In reality though, its between Aspas and Chronicle, and Aspas statistically is much better so he's leading that conversation and will for a while.

chrlxz [#3]

KK

2 good years

Leo would be considered top 3 in the goat conversation if he wasnt sick, aspas and chronicle are the only ones in contention for now

chrlxz [#3]

KK

maybe if he wins a masters

sentinelmain377 [#25]

WTF AM I READING BRO???? the brainwashing is insane

yeah how is it not tenz? he was so dominant for all of 2021. he did his best to carry sen at berlin and champs but you can only go so far after having no coach, shahzam igl, zombs, and being hard anti'd by the whole world.

PrimmeMuncher [#4]

Fnatic hasn't been good since 2023 only derke and mabye alf deserve to be here

I mean they won 2 emea trophies in 2024 they just sucked internqtionally, didnt qual for madrid last place shanghai and i think it was 6th in champs but in emea they were aight

Yistyy [#30]

yeah how is it not tenz? he was so dominant for all of 2021. he did his best to carry sen at berlin and champs but you can only go so far after having no coach, shahzam igl, zombs, and being hard anti'd by the whole world.

all of 2021??
bro it was only Reykjavik. he was average-sometimes good at best after that and his team wasnt performing either
thas like saying Demon1 was the best player in 2023 (when Leo and Alfajer were CLEARLY gods the whole year)

meanwhile Gambit attended 2 finals in a row (nAts invented like 80% of Sentinel setups people use today and Chronicle was always getting 3ks and 4ks with Vandal against teams like Envy)

also ur forgetting about Chronicle on Initiator vs Chronicle on Flex

here are my non-biased lists for top 20 every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

sentinelmain377 [#32]

all of 2021??
bro it was only Reykjavik. he was average-sometimes good at best after that and his team wasnt performing either
thas like saying Demon1 was the best player in 2023 (when Leo and Alfajer were CLEARLY gods the whole year)

meanwhile Gambit attended 2 finals in a row (nAts invented like 80% of Sentinel setups people use today and Chronicle was always getting 3ks and 4ks with Vandal against teams like Envy)

also ur forgetting about Chronicle on Initiator vs Chronicle on Flex

here are my non-biased lists for top 20 every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/

nah tenz was the best before Reykjavik too he was shitstomping regionals. based on eye test it was pretty clear he was the best and he proved it at Reykjavik.

also demon1 was the best player in 2023. he murdered everyone at champs and was cooking in regionals, not as hard as tenz but going pretty hard. he would have been the best at tokyo too but demon1 had visa issues so he came late. they were scrimming with reformed until he showed up last minute. They weren't sure if demon1 was coming in or not. So EG at Tokyo were pretty much playing as if Reformed was playing, and they still did incredibly. If demon1 was there from the jump they would have actually scrimmed with him the whole time and pretty easily win the event.

Yistyy [#33]

nah tenz was the best before Reykjavik too he was shitstomping regionals. based on eye test it was pretty clear he was the best and he proved it at Reykjavik.

also demon1 was the best player in 2023. he murdered everyone at champs and was cooking in regionals, not as hard as tenz but going pretty hard. he would have been the best at tokyo too but demon1 had visa issues so he came late. they were scrimming with reformed until he showed up last minute. They weren't sure if demon1 was coming in or not. So EG at Tokyo were pretty much playing as if Reformed was playing, and they still did incredibly. If demon1 was there from the jump they would have actually scrimmed with him the whole time and pretty easily win the event.

So youre gonna ignore the rest of 2021? Gotcha

where tenz

unofficialwaifu [#35]

where tenz

TenZ:
2x masters winner, 2x finals, 6 international appearances
#4 player of 2021 (after nAts, Chronicle, cNed)
-did ABSOLUTELY nothing in 2022
-did ABSOLUTELY nothing in 2023
#8 player of 2024 (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, Derke)

and now retired...
not enough for being considered a GOAT

also no coaches/players have genuinely been referring to him in GOAT player conversations. However, 90% of EMEA pro scene (coaches & players) refer to Leo as the GOAT.

shermie [#34]

So youre gonna ignore the rest of 2021? Gotcha

I didn't ignore it, I said previously that sen as a team was just fcked after. they had no coach, had to rely on shahz igl, and z0mbs. also they were being studied more than every other team so they got hard read.

sacy?