americas players tier list

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baroque

discussion on another post about s-tier players for each team in americas made me think of a tier list for all players

tiers are unordered, players are judged INDIVIDUALLY and not based on team success. note most of this is eye test RIGHT NOW, hence why certain players are ranked so highly despite no official matches and why some players (demon1) are ranked so low

feel free to ask why, i will explain my reasoning for specific players

S - world class, one of the best in their role/overall ability
narrate
cauanzin
zekken
aspas
boostio
verno
jawgemo
valyn

A - one of the best players in region at their role, passes the eye test
s0m
ethan
leaf
fns
mwzera
eeiu
kinggg
tex
oxy
supamen
keznit
mazino
johnqt
pancada
cortezia
heat
natank
jonahp
bang

B - good players of championship winning caliber, but are not their team's star player(s)
icy
gobera
c0m
havoc
mada
melser
zellsis
shyy
khalil
derrek
cryo
dgzin
tuyz
artzin
nzr
demon1
zander
asuna
v1c
pryze
trent
raafa
zap

C - decent role players, just mid
adverso
nature
vinny
lz
xenom
xeppaa
mitch
silentzz
net

D - why is this person getting paid, shanks is better
mta

unironically think americas has a lot of good talent this year

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catNmouse

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cauanzin in S = good list

Also i highly disagree with trent being C, he has very high peaks and is so much better than what he has showed in 2024.

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catNmouse

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cryo id argue is a star player, he has bigger impact in the team ingame than any other player

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baroque

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this is based on current form, that's why trent is ranked so low. same thing with cryo, i don't think he has had enough experience on smokes roles (for example, his omen doesn't look great) and jett is not a good enough agent anymore to just take over games. definitely had flashes of greatness, the game against loud was a crazy performance, for examples, but i don't think he's as good of a jett/semi flex as others. i can see putting him in A though, definitely a high B here

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jawn

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boostio in S is interesting

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baroque

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i personally think eg's 2023 success was due to him in a big way/knowing how to use demon1. the vibe change around 100t has been actually crazy and they have looked really good at times. i think people rate him too low compared to other igls like saadhak/fns, and he has shown that he has the mechanical skill to take over maps

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jawn

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i don't disagree but high A tier feels better, s0m is also S

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Warlordwibz

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s0m only ever make internationals in 2023, ppl were overly hyping him being better controller than Mako despite only making masters Tokyo and champs LA. If s0m makes more internationals in 21/22/24 then he would deserve S. Without more internationals appearance, he stays at A.

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XiXiWiiPee

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then why is n4rrate S lool

made less LANS than s0m
placed lower than s0m at his only international
s0m more consistent
s0m current form is better

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Warlordwibz

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N4rrate would be A for me as well, just didn’t comment on him. I don’t really watch Americas players cause 4am, only see these players at internationals.

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catNmouse

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verno is in S too, can’t have everything perfect i guess

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baroque

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the idea here is based off of current form. while kc looked amazing at kickoff (marteen cracked), they slumped HARD later. narrate was the only one still showing crazy, map defining and map winning moments like the 1v5 vs navi or the lotus clutch vs sentinels even as the team failed to perform. thats what makes him an s tier player imo as he is one of the most impactful fraggers with good util.

its the same argument with verno. in his 9 games with nrg, he has been the highest rated player on his team 7 (!!) times. i get that its offseason, but the impact kills and his individual form is so crazy rn that i have to give him S. he also just looks good, especially with util and gamesense outside of raw aim

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Boostio is one of the best IGLs in the world.

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jawn

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he is

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pulsloopd

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trent mid?

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baroque

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trent looked quite poor after kickoff, especially on his signature sova. definitely was the guard's best player but on g2 he never really had a shining moment

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Azzelastia

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0/8

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baroque

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why are you hating i literally glazed 2023 eg

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Azzelastia

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South na players are too high. C0M and Demon1 should be S tier.

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ionlyHave1Zuni

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valid

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H3ENnZ

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Might be unpopular but neT does not deserve C

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baroque

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are you thinking moving up or moving down? imo net has proven to be a decent defense side caller but he never had the impact fragging either on the guard or m80 to actually be a threat on the weak side. definitely a good system player but has never shown those flashes of brilliance you see from top players

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H3ENnZ

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neT is better than C imo but def bottom B

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unknown_trash

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JonahP in B is a crime. He is an absolute monster on his role.

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baroque

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I actually thought most people would want him lower. I think jonahp is a really good ini flex but outclassed by the likes of mazino, ethan, verno, natank

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catNmouse

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he doesn’t flex just initiator though, his viper is very good also (coincidentally the agent where he takes over games the most) i think he should be in A tier maybe not high if that’s what you prefer. He’s the reason G2 made top 3 in shanghai

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baroque

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yeah... that's why i said flex as in initiator/viper flex. that's why i compared him to players who play similar roles (mazino flexes a lot, ethan's has a good omen, verno cypher, etc). I had him as a high B but you've swayed me to put him low A

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alienista1

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Kingg and Valyn deserve Tier S. They were 2 of the top 4 IGLs in the world.

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baroque

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i actually thought i put valyn in S oops ill fix that

kingg has always been a fragger but i'm not sold on his igling. i know it's a big part (see 2024 nrg) but i never thought leviatan were THAT tactically deep. that one sunset map they got rolled on against fut is really biasing me

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alienista1

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Kingg's IGL skills aren't the best, but he more than makes up for it with his fragging.

For example, you place Kingg on the same level as Tex, but Kingg had a much better year individually, even as an IGL. So it makes no sense for both of them to be Tier A.

Anyway, I think Kingg deserves tier S much more than players like Boostio.

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femboyenjoyer

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cryo b tier is certainly a choice
i think cauanzin(hella underrated), boostio, and jawg deserve high a

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baroque

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for me cauanzin has always been a ridiculously good player for how young he is and the ceiling it looks like he will have. consistently good even on a struggling loud and he has shown signs of becoming the next less or aspas for them imo. i was definitely skeptical of jawg as a solo duelist but seeing what he can do on 2024 eg (like the game against sen) i think he is honestly one of the best entries itw rn.

cryo is def high B, could be low A now that i'm thinking abt it but i put him there because i don't think that he has enough experience as a jett/controller flex and he also didn't look that good playing in shanghai against other top teams (th, geng, prx) even on his "best agent" jett

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femboyenjoyer

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cauanzin potential is definitely s
but i think cryo is like low a-high a somewhere in that range in stage 2 like most of the maps 100t won had cryo dropping 25 except for mibr they are just frauds in 2024 he genuinely dropped at least 25 everytime he played jett

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Ultia

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Trent being at C is weird given I’d have him over the majority of B players except Cryo and Demon1. He hasn’t been consistent recent but his fragging peaks should have him at least high B or low A. You mentioned that it’s based on current form but Cauanzin is S — maybe try to be more consistent?

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baroque

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i can definitely see trent in B, upon review i do think his individual season was better than i thought it was. however, i still think cauan had an excellent season on such a poor team and often carried most of their games. winning maps for your team is what makes an S tier player, his INDIVIDUAL form was excellent. trent was just very inconsistent and had some stinker maps, although he was better than i thought he was.

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Average_NA_fan

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what a dogshit list

asspiss is B he's a baiter
demon1 diffed him

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baroque

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baiter detected opinion rejected

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saebr

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good list. if someone put a gun to my head and told me i had to make a change then i'd put demon1/c0m in a

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reaper_rega08

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What are Noob4rate and Boorno, Botstio doing in S Tier?
FNS should be F tier. Zellsis should be C Tier.

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catNmouse

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n4rrate was overall a good player last year, verno is just hyped but he did show himself off in the soop event, boostio is there because he turned 100t from bums to competitors

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MerkFreeks

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Trent in C is wild
Ethan should be S tier he's arguably one of the best initiators in the world if not the best flash init

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baroque

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forgot to move trent, an earlier reply convinced me he was at least B

list is based on current form, and i can't give ethan S after '24 nrg. he definitely has a crazy ceiling as a support as seen on eg, but i would argue that he's looked a lot shakier as of late. thing is, i can't really think of any super impactful flash inis either. i thought forsaken and heat were very good on kayo. by my definition, i guess he deserves s tier since he doesn't have any big competitors, but imo the flash initator role is very weak atm. its just that ethan doesnt look like an S tier player by the eye test as of late, but maybe its because im being blinded by how good verno looks

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reaper_rega08

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Ethan is mid lmao. He is just a good Kayo, on other agents he is trash like he's breach is garbage. NoobRG will fall hard.

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nonchalantasian

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mada needs to be lower

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baroque

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eh i think hes fine, looks good as a system duelist entry but the fragging is definitely inconsistent

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kanyefan4238173

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Pretty valid I think. I didn’t rlly look

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Sheru

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Pretty sure you're missing yay? - but probably in low A or B tier

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calImegod

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He's Low S bare minimum

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ethan is s bro

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jamONE

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now that Yay has been announced to EG, place him too