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fixing leagues for Leo Faria

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#1
Sprouts

Americas:
Kick C9 and EG due to consistent budget rosters and controversy
Replace one with G2 permanently
Replace the other with TSM or OPTC if they pass Riot's test; if not go with SR

Pacific
Kick DFM, GES, and RRQ (depending on how they perform 2025)
Replace DFM with CR, Riddle, or Fennel
Replace GES with DSG for Singaporean representation after BLD got removed (also since GES have never really 'represented' India much anyway so it's not a big loss)
Consider replacing RRQ, depending on how they perform in 2025, with BOOM permanently

easy viewership. no need to thank me Leo

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DBStudios
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Your fixes for the americas is good but your fixes for pacific is just straight up brain dead asf. Let's just remove teams because I don't like them!

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I'll say I don't like GES as an org since they import 'budget' options a lot of the time so you're right about that

but DFM have placed 10th, 10th, 10th-11th, 11th, and 10th. I don't dislike them, there are just better JP orgs out there imo and the results speak for themselves
meanwhile RRQ were easily the most controversial Pacific org at the start but they have improved their image since which is why I think they deserve lenience

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catNmouse
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how do you know those JP orgs would do better than DFM?

#6
Sprouts
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I don't. However, they have bigger fanbases which = more appeal to players in the JP scene. Remember when players chose to stick with FL/CR instead of going to DFM cause of the orgs?
If you remove them, at best you get a good team, at worse you just get another bottom feeder. I think it's worth experimenting

#19
Window
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dfm literally just cleaned up their roster and you want them gone now?????

#3
catNmouse
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why should dfm or RRQ be removed??

#7
Chi-ari
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give DFM one more chance

#8
redlight
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Americas make sense.

Pacific doesn't.

First of all, with DFM:

  1. they are already involved with CR -- CR is backing their marketing and financial gains.
  2. CR is already focused on OW and APEX, so repurchasing a spot for Valorant will cost an insane amount of money.
  3. ZETA, DFM, and CR are the three largest orgs in Japan. FENNEL and SCARZ follow closely behind. Riddle is known for their APEX and Fortnite teams.

Secondly, with GE, that is just personal bias, which is unfair. DSG is running on losses with so many endeavours but APEX.
Edit: DSG's APEX team recently disbanded, so Valorant and League are their main sources of income currently.

Lastly, RRQ is already "forgiven" for their past mistakes so there's no reason. I have no idea how BOOM are doing in other esports except their DOTA team, which is stable.

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damn I was wrong. I didn't know that about DFM.
I still fully believe GE are a waste of a spot though. They consistently make poor signings and then waste the few players that weren't bad signings. DSG running on losses is what makes me believe that a spot would benefit them heavily and that they would appropriate the money received back into their team. You can call it a bias but it's genuinely justified

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Geng won shanghai through texture that GE gave them and rrq / prx got monyet as well through GE, nobody was willing to give moyet a chance when GE gave him that chance while as Texture, he was in a contract jail when GE rescued him

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the only reason GE got t3xture is because Dplus were gate keeping him from other Korean orgs. also that’s my point, he’s proof of a good player getting misused by GE

#22
KClaw
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Woh brother , GE left him in 2024 because he said he wanted to play with a Korean org , GE never misused him , they could have also imprisoned him in a contract jail like dplus but they didn't , also GE got him out of his career roadblock didn't they so that means other Korean orgs could have also done the same but they didn't

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I don't like the hate on C9 T.T
This is the best organized org in NA LoL, and on Valorant they were really unlucky :

  • Hire Yay right before the chamber nerf
  • All of her player have ask the IGL to go (What would you do ? Keep 5 player with 4 hate the IGL ? Kick 4 player ? It's really sad for Rossy but as C9 their solution was probably the best sadfully, I dare people to find a better solution :/)
    C9 isn't perfect, but they are not that bad as people say, and I don't find +x -x +x -x that bad. It's not bad to use a player you already trust to be decent (but not enough good) in a urgency situation (It's just really dumb they didn't make an academic team with the blinking players)

DFM have already merge with CR
Malay speaking team have already 2 teams, 3 would be overkill, and India deserve representant (as OCE does)

In the last video Faria talk about reducing the number of partenered team, I wonder if we can go to 9 partenred team in every region, and 3 ascended team, but beside EG (that need to be replaced by G2) I dont really know how to kick.

Val is in a weird spot... The priority seems to be to augment the number of ascended team because T2 really need more carrot to survive. BUT in APAC we need more franchised slot because some of T2 region, arent represented. Maybe we need more T1 team, but not more team per T1 region, (12 is max) so maybe the solution would be to have a proper 5th region, probably a weaker one, but that represent more team from place that dont have representant yet. People gonna say "We need to split NA and SA", but lets be honnest 12 team is enough for both, NA cant have 12 team and BR cant have 7 or 8. In the world they are several places that don't have representant in the Tier 1 : CIS (!), Arabic, Africa, Oceania, Vietnam, LAN, Basically Central Eurasia and Indian Ocean (CEIO), it's basically every region that Riot didn't conquer yet but that can be a huge thing in the next 10 or 20 years

So maybe here is the fix :

  • AMER : 1 BR team out (Prob Furia since they didn't invest in GC, but the 3 of them are really close), EG out replaced by G2, maybe another NA out
  • EMEA : The 2 TR team out in CEIO, Fokus in (We have no German representant...)
  • APAC : GE put in CEIO
  • China : Nova out
    I would like to take out 2 team instead of one per region, but it's almost impossible... APAC already have a lack of team VN, isn't represented by example. It would require to put out C9 or LEV out (Because they don't represent LATAM anymore)

CEIO :

  • Gambit
  • CIS#2
  • CIS#3
  • BBL
  • FUT
  • Falcon (Or any Arabic team)
  • GE
  • OCE#1 (Would be fucked by timezone since almost everyone would be bewteen +3 and +6)
  • Subsaharian representant
    Thanks to CIS and TR I don't think the region would be that weak, only problem here that it would be a huge loss for EMEA that would lose 25% of their player
#24
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I don't know if you can add another region in this world sadly as its already insane the SA teams have to move 10+ flying hours from home for there region, you would cause the same. I think its just needing to adapt to league needs which is maybe a 10 permanent in the Americas with 2 ascension and then maybe 14 permanent in Pacific and EMEA for more representation of countries in these regions with 2 ascension for them. Then China is the same as America so in total 48 permanent and 4 ascension. Then in terms of International events you would give 1 more spot to EMEA and Pacific as they have more teams to fight for the spot. Yes you might get people complaining they have more but China represents 1 country, Americas even though there are tons of countries only represents 4 but the other countries don't have a strong valorant scene. Then EMEA and Pacific its basically 1 country per team for the most part with some countries needing to try win representation through Ascension, EMEA had Apeks for Norway and Pacific had Bleed for Singapore.

I just dont think you could find a city where another region could work in timezone wise and travel wise. I love the idea on paper I think practically though maybe just a couple bigger leagues is all thats needed for EMEA and Pacific.

#11
cioccolat
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Replace C9 and EG with G2 and 2G. The fact 2G the ascension team is making an academy team proves that they have put more effort than both C9 and Eg

#12
KClaw
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SR? Meaning the GC roster ur talking abt or making a new SR male roster?

#17
Sprouts
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New male roster. they’ve been invested in Val for a while and are a stable org

#23
KClaw
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Ok that's alr then but I guess then there are competitors for that one slot besides SR like Optic and TSM(like u mentioned) as well as M80 should be in the debate they have also invested a lot in val

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SR have a team already its combined with Moist Moguls as both sides cited finances as one reason why this made sense for them, Optic would not come back to the game as once Riot was getting involved they knew they were out them and Riot will never be in the same league together because of there history. TSM was the same with how they managed there League of Legends team back in the day. M80 could but they departed the scene not wanting to back Riot's new plan for ascension.

#14
hontonikireidesu
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Clearly you never follow the off season tournament which DFM was involved in. Look at their latest performance first before yapping ya.

#15
Sprouts
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off season doesn’t mean shit. get back to me when they place above 10th

#20
Anguibok
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2 Year doesnt mean that mush too

#18
justo
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id rather have shopify or flyquest in NA rather than TSM or Optic. Much better orgs these days

#21
MrBravo5315
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In America's yes G2 need a permanent spot, its widely reported that they offer higher salaries and showed how much they wanted it with taking over the roster from The Guard. Replacing C9 and EG I don't think they would do that however and the reasons I would say don't play into them being the more likely teams is that C9 even with budget rosters made playoffs both years, Year 1 finishing 4th in playoffs 1 spot from Champs then 3rd in LCQ. Year 2 a bit rougher but still beat out 5 teams for the playoffs. EG won Champs year 1 and I can't see them getting rid of 1 of only 2 teams that have won Champs since the launch of there partner league. Even with cutting they were still competitive for now. I would say yes in a couple years replace them but not until another Americas team has won Champs probably.

With Pacific I think you are far off on changes, DSG is not stable, yes they have a big fan base thanks to Toast who is amazing for supporting these players in there journey but lets be real for a second, a permanent spot is to far unless he has a financial mogul with him (example Nadeshot got the backing of Dan Gilbert owner of the NBA team Clevland Cavaliers). But in terms of the 3 you want out RRQ represents Indonesia which they do quite well and have put a competitive roster together for it, yes Boom could replace them but its not needed they haven't deserved being removed. I see quite a few already mention how DFM and CR are already quite close in relations just DFM is used for Val while in other esports its CR. Finally GES is crucial to stay in, they have every offseason hosted an event in India helping grow the game there and its such a huge population spot in the world they have to tap into that market and GES is a great and probably the best organization to do it. Yes there are no Indians on the roster this year but they said the region needs to catch up with the times of the game and thats what the Indian T2 scene will work towards. Not representing over a billion people would be insane by riot.

Overall no need to change Orgs yet, reviews at the end of this season yes as they need to see what orgs not in T1 would do for a spot and what teams in T1 will do to keep there spot. A lot of teams have reviews at the end of this year. You also had an organization consider leaving Valorant for a bit (MIBR) before they committed to it.

Also just a side note for NA to replace C9 and EG, these rosters at least kept there roster pieces that they weren't going to change signed in the offseason, consider TSM who dropped there roster at the end of both seasons and Optic who just up and left as they historically have always lied to Riot. These teams are never getting a permanent spot, YFP Gaming is more likely then TSM because they kept there people signed.

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