Fix Game Changers

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PooFaceCe

I already know bro yes men that are going through with gender affirming care like flor are allowed to play in game changers and shit, got it cool.

But there's literally just men just straight up MEN and lets not play fucking silly. We can cope and virtue signal and be blindly optimistic but there are SO many teams who have just straight DUDES on them who have no care in the world about being an example for a "marginalized group".

Like I just see more and more rosters loading up on just normal everyday dudes with girlfriends and no interest in being a woman all because they say "yeah I'm a girl for this game", and the door of absurdity has already been opened by allowing people in by telling them if they just identify with it mentally then they can play.

Will there be a very very very very very very very VERY, small amount of biological men planning on going through with gender affirming care who just haven't yet who then in turn wouldn't be able to play? Yes.

Will the trade off of far more integral play mean way more though? Yes.

They are allowing the idea of creating spaces for marginalized groups to be corrupted because they're not willing to be hard on requirements for said "marginalized" groups (dudes who wanna abuse the system for easier competition).

allat, I know.

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laifu

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Starbound has a GF got 0 sympathy for that mf

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PooFaceCe

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Yup, he's a prime example.

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And he doesn’t even try to look like a chick

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DELETE

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PooFaceCe

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If I get banned for saying keep spaces for marginalized groups for their intended audience, and not people wanting to take advantage of loose requirements. What does that say about mods?

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kanyefan4238173

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Ngl idk I have a fever

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how about we divide GC into two parts - one for ONLY cis-women and the other for all other remaining genders. 9 slots for womens league and the remaining best "other gender" teams fight against each other for the remaining slot at champs

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kanyefan4238173

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The leagues would be like tier 8 level and its too complicated

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CarnageBTC

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isnt GC already low tier valorant ? also whats complicated ? literally segregate the cis-women

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kanyefan4238173

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Why would riot fund an organize a whole other league just to controversially separate a league over a non issue

I hardly know of any of these men who are creating this issue anyway. I only remember keenc and the one Brazilian player (that one isn’t the same as keenc, just some people don’t support them, Idrk tbh)

The idea just makes no sense, unnecessarily controversial, probably more expensive, complicated, and to stop something that doesn’t rlly happen anyway

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Warlordwibz

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Women Champs (EMEA, Pacific and China) and GC Champs (NA, SA and Latam). No cross regional technicalities.

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Conceit

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Genuinely, how the fuck does them having a girlfriend, mean they are faking. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things. You can be nonbinary and have a girlfriend, hell you can be a trans women and have a girlfriend, it's called being a lesbian.
I'm yet to see any actual evidence that all of these people that keep getting brought up are faking it. How do you know that they aren't doing gender affirming care. Like actually, I'm so curious, because everyone I've seen say this is just like "It's so obvious" and then give things that have nothing to do with gender identity.
It just sounds like people being transphobic

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Yuh_aye

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you can be a trans women and have a girlfriend, it's called being a lesbian

umm... no it isn't. Lesbianism is female homosexuality. homosexuality.

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peetherium

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not really brah

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Yuh_aye

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Even if you want to use this as gospel: Page 6

Sexual orientation: one’s enduring sexual attraction to male partners, female partners, or both. Sexual orientation may be heterosexual, same sex (gay
or lesbian), or bisexual.

It's also pretty obvious from the word itself

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bud is clueless

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peetherium

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so you just don't read the rest of the paragraph you cited?

While these categories continue to be widely used, research has suggested that sexual orientation does not always appear in such definable categories and instead occurs on a continuum

It's pretty obvious from the fucking research itself that psychological aspects such as attraction aren't inherently dictated by if a masculine-looking man actually has a dick or not

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Attraction is obviously psychological. Guess what, if you're primarily psychologically attracted to people who belong to your own sex, then you're a homosexual. Google 'Butch and Femme', and once you're done you'll probably understand the difference between sex and masculinity/femininity.

It's unbelievable in the year 2024 people don't know the difference between homosexual and heterosexual.

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PooFaceCe

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Lol, being this intellectually dishonest and not trolling is insane.

I never said them having a girlfriend meant they are faking, I listed it as a contributing factor.

"sounds like people being transphobic" literally how? If I dont believe they're actually taking the process of following through with being transgender outside of identifying with it for valorant, then than means the disapproval I shed on them is from the stance of them literally not being trans. I guess wanting the 100% actually provably marginalized communities to have integral play is transphobic... so be it.

When I played comp a long time ago towards the beginning of game changers even becoming a thing, I literally had friends who ended up going on to be some of the Game Changers who were just dudes who want easy competition, and everyone in normal T2 / T3 constantly jokes about making that move once you become washed up for clout.

That's how I "know" because I quite literally "know" multiple of those people, I saw how consistent of an idea it was between T3 and T2, hell even T4. Aside from drawing similarities to the people I know though, if you've been in game changers for 2 - 3 years and your voice, face, hair, demeanor, or how you present yourself doesn't change even though you were "transgender" prior to becoming a game changer. Yeah I'm definitely assuming you're lying your ass off... maybe you don't understand how massive of a difference gender affirming care will make to your appearance and every part of you, but it's a lot... like a LOT.

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Zerphyr1

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I'm pretty sure the issue is that you are listing out your beliefs/speculations as facts,

for example you say "Like I just see more and more rosters loading up on just normal everyday dudes with girlfriends and no interest in being a woman all because they say "yeah I'm a girl for this game".

First of all you quote "yeah I'm a girl for this game", can u actually provide a person who said this?

You're saying that there are normal everyday dudes with girlfriends and no interest in being a women but you provide no evidence that this is the case, then in your response to Conceit you just explain that this is your belief. I find that you holding this position isn't problematic but rather you presenting your speculatory position as factual is the problem.

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PooFaceCe

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Okay, well to put it this way. I understand what you're saying and in a way I understand that objectively you're right that I have no 100% assurance.

If Blue and Red people had very GENERALLY distinct differences, and 10 people walk into a building for red people, and then 3 of your friends followed and they were blue people painted red. Would you not assume that the ones who look, walk, talk, and act like your friends are LIKELY to be blue people painted red as well?

I'm not saying all of them are, and I prefaced later on that there's a time window in which I'd be willing to say okay maybe they just haven't taken further action on it yet. But I'm in favor of setting precautions so people can't just say they're a woman and they have to actually make some kind of move towards it.

A good example would be requiring your ID to state that you're a female, which is either not a rule or is definitely not enforced

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You didn't address my concern but yes I agree there should be a higher criteria to sort of proving you are marginalised gender outside of biological females. But I would say ID is a bad idea as it can take a long time to change ID and require financial resources and lots of time. This also discourages marginalised people from competing since it can be a hassle to change your ID and some people aren't public with their sexual identity and so they may not wish to change their ID yet.

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You don’t even have to say your a girl you just have to say your not a dude, but the scene isn’t lasting much longer tbh it was a complete failure, they aren’t moving anybody from that scene upwards it’s just become its own league which is what riot didn’t want to happen

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DrudaL

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Just delete gc and invest more in t2

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Based?

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Being assigned males at birth doesn't make you better at gaming. The difference lies in the environment. Dudes easily finding dude gamers to create premier teams with, T1, challengers having better coaches, scrimming good teams more often, bunch of dudes reportedly not wanting to play with girls,... are the "competitive advantages".
Also are you aware that Riot is already planning on a mixed gender format for GC? Because being in an above average tier 2 team who PAYS you gives you more money than "lying to get easier competition" to get less money. Everyone know Zekken Aspas are better than dgzin so are Zekken and Aspas not allowed to play in Tier1?
Flor isn't a "man going through gender affirming care". "Going through gender affirming care" doesn't have anything to do with your gender identity and nor is it a requirement for GC. You cisgender dad using HRT to replace his old male hormones with young male hormones is ALSO "gender affirming care".
Pros make money through salaries not tournament winnings. Tier 2 salaries alone are much more what GC players get as share for placing high. There is no minimum salary in GC meaning most GC players are unpaid. Playing in GC also reduces your change to trial for Tier 1 and good Tier 2 teams.
You think someone would lie and change their ID to female to earn less money and have a worse career?
You are a very ignorant but hostile person. Should delete this post and do more researrch.

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PooFaceCe

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all your points are so misdirected this one isn't even worth responding to lmao. (More fast twitch muscle fibers, faster reaction time, more precise reflexes, more outliers in top end IQ, more dual situational awareness, more stress tolerance, etc.)

Also your ID doesn't need to be changed to female LMAO, I have friends who used to play game changers and did this exact thing I'm describing.

Valyn Jawgemo and Trent literally just played in game changers like 2 days ago

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Targu1n

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oh no
we got another one

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Zerphyr1

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Your points are very valid but its silly to ignore the fact that there are biological differences between the two sexes. These are also not extraneous differences, there are studies that conclude that biological males have better reaction times, and spatial awareness which are important aspects of fps games.

Source: Sex Differences in Cognitive Abilities by Diane F. Halpern

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You're so right, Game Changers really needs a miracle to succeeds. Which reminds me...

"Pronax and KRIMZ, they just need two kills here, and they will win it, for the second time. Pronax with one Fribeeerg OHHHHHHH FRIBERG HE SPRAYS DOWN, HE GETS BOTH KILLS! AND THE GRAND FINAL CONTINUES, 15-13!"

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Targu1n

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The Fox news special lmao
Someone from group B abused a system that helps group A so we have to punish group A!

(While I disagree with your method for determining "fakes" and as such cant agree with the claim whatsoever) Lets assume the initial claim is true and there is someone who just pretends to be of a different gender to compete in an easier league. Just answer the simple question:

None of the marginalized genders have any fault for a dude abusing the system. Why would any of them then be punished for it?

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PooFaceCe

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the CNN special lmao.

If we just tell bad ppl to stop doing bad things, then the good ppl wont be affected!

Also I have no clue as to how this would affect group A? They could literally just like make a requirement that you have female on your ID? Which they don't have or at least don't enforce.

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Targu1n

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getting to play in GC helps marginalized genders
your "fix" wants to punish some of these marginalized genders because you think there are people abusing the system

if you cant see how that would affect the marginalized genders than idk what to tell you

also you dont have to tell people to stop doing them
after all you know exactly who the abusers are (you have such great ways of determining them!), you can just punish them directly

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PooFaceCe

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Is asking a supposedly trans person to have the gender they coincide with on their ID punishing them?

And no I KNOW at least a chunk of them are abusing the system because I used to KNOW some of them, and they would talk about abusing the system when they get washed up.

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Targu1n

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That's perfect then!
Get the ones you KNOW punished
get rid of the abusers and help solve the problem

and yes it would punish marginalized genders to an incredible amount
You place them at the mercy of various political systems and make a ton of marginalized genders ineligible (e.g. you cant get NB on your ID)

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PooFaceCe

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Really? I thought you could.

I'm like 99% sure you can in Canada so I assumed the same for America since we kind of follow of your co tails for all social changes, but I could be wrong.

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Targu1n

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only some states in the us
only very few countries in the EU

and you can imagine how it looks in more conservative regions where this is a much younger issue

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Lol you can be nb and have a gf XDDD

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please quit yapping ty

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PooFaceCe

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band for band lil bro

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bronzil_enjoyer

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upfrag there are some people blatantly faking

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they cant hear you through all their virtue signalling bc they can't stand the image of them not being a saint

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PooFaceCe

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Yeah, god forbid you put the overbearing optimism to the side and get honest for a second nowadays.

Everyone is a saint until you disagree with them... then all of a sudden they acknowledge that people are evil.

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bump

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youve mentioned knowing a lot of ppl abusing the system, drop names already

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Jinxypoo

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Wait i agree Delete faker @lielahh!!!!

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I am definitely not the problem.