best duelsit for abyss

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smthlikeyou11

unduitably phoenix
on atk side phoenix ult is 6 orbs and u just farm 2 every round cuz the orbs r so attacker sided
then u get ult every other round
same works for fracture

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the game has changed a lot and I don't see any duelist without a movement ability being first choice when defenders can just dump util and hold attackers in spawn for 1 minute

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its jett bro be fr

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not when u have a phx ult for entry every other round
with the phoenix buffs its gonna be even better
and ur wall lasts 8secs and u can use that to entry b

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You're legitimately saying you're getting 6 ults per half

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smthlikeyou11

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2 orbs per round = 4 orbs per 2 rounds
that + everytime u die or get a kill u get a orb
u do the math

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ngl that is kinda op . only thing is that gettiong 2 orbs each round might be difficult. edit: only thing this would work well in ranked tho, not in pro play

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Vaaero

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Well ya but why not just play kayo? He's a better Phoenix and gives a lot more value on defense. It's likely that you'll have a stronger attack half anyways and will need to male up for your defense, and I don't think double duelist is the way

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Phoenix flash is situationally better than KAY/O flash, phoenix wall>kayo molly in terms of usefulness, phoenix molly=kayo knife. Phoenix ult is both cheaper and stronger on entry than KAY/O ult imo.

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You can say what you want about their respective flashes and molly, but the real comparison is between kayo knife and phoenix wall. Who knows, we may see phoenix>kayo after the wall buff, but a 40 second refreshable scan that also suppresses people versus a wall that damages players and your teamates? The knife will generally get you more value (especially on defense), and since you will already have smokes on your team or your throwing.

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The niche in this comp is an entry role though, it’s not about the flash role. I think Breach is BIS on that map for the flash flex role but I wouldn’t want a KAY/O as my entry.

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Are you suggesting phoenix solo duelist? Because unless ou want to only entry on rounds you have phoenix ult it's not gonna go well. Even with the ult, if you get shut down you have no entry. Having a Jett as your main duelist is necessary on abyss. I could see you running a phoenix as a secondary duelist, but I'd argue kayo is better in that regard

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I’m not opinionated either way but in the context of this post Phoenix is a main duelist suggestion, so saying KAY/O is better than him isn’t correct

Abyss also isn’t really a hard entry map, you can clear pretty much all of site with just a sova dart.

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Abyss has a lot of choke points tho. I think it would be better to have a dive agent

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smthlikeyou11

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still incredibly doable ull see once u try it
u can always run jett+phoenix

jett
phoenix
fade
astra/omen/brim
kj

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chamber)

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your 2 orbs every round thing gets figured out in 2 rounds and you get countered after that + its a big ass map its gonna take ages from orb to orb if they even remotely contest anything and you gotta clear things, then you gotta commit to the place where you take the second orb or run the timer even lower with 0 map control since youve been running in spawn the whole round

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lielahh

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Just start default and hit whatevr site is away from the one they contest ^_^

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insta contesting isnt the only way to counter

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lielahh

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obv but its hard to contest the orbs with no main control on abyss, they’re both hard angles to peek and attacker sided orbs

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its just jett tho