mickey mouse criteria

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BulkyLettuce

single elimination (rewards the luckiest team, not the most consistent. This is why 99.99% of VCT tourneys are double elimination)
start of franchising (new teams, new players, teams like OPTIC who made grand finals of champions the year before couldn't participate excluding one of the best teams in the world at the time)
included every franchise team, making it an invitational (NO ONE HAD TO QUALIFY FOR THIS EVENT making it the only VCT tourney that was an invitational so teams like DFM and MIBR participated in it resulting in free wins and horrible competitive level of play)
riot games themselves admitted it was mickey mouse (they said it was a one time event exclusively for the start of franchising and will never hold anything like it again because they know it was mickey mouse)

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Won by Fnatic or Sentinels.
-by idiots who can't comprehend that a popular team can actually be just good not always overhyped.

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all sen wins happen to be mickey wins but not all mickey wins are sen wins

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every SEN win teams had to actually qualify to the event, it wasnt a invitational

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so called "good" teams beating newly formed rosters after they've had half a year of practice, compare that to other trophies where all the teams had plenty of time together then tell me they're of the same value 🥱

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FNC was newly formed? the "newly formed" FNC which kept the same roster from 2023 to 2024 got embarrassed by KC which is why they werent there, keep crying

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? I was talking about the other teams you idiot, reading comprehension of a 47 chromosome toddler

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BulkyLettuce

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are you slow? you tried to diminish the win by saying there was "newly formed rosters" but these new formed rosters literally beat teams like FNC who kept their rosters from 2023 to 2024, making them better than teams that were old. You cant be this slow right?

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fnatic didn't use the off season well, being an old roster won't help when you don't scrim as much as the other teams. meanwhile other teams like loud and prx who mostly kept the same rosters placed highly in madrid then proceeded to either not make it or get farmed in the following tournaments. most obvious mickey mouse trophy of all time 🥱

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PRX was also newly formed from 2023 to 2024 right? you sound mentally not there

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you actually can't read, this is embarrassing 😔

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still doesnt change the fact how the "newly formed teams" were better than whatever teams your talking about that werent new because those new teams actually qualifed. By your logic those old 2023 teams didnt qualify because they were so bad and lost to the new ones (like how fnc got embarassed by kc)

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as u are part of that disorder community which cant be cured, I forgive u for your stupidity
God bless You

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"LordItachi" preaching us about idiots

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LordItachi

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Maybe argue with a better point instead of name shaming.

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LOCK//IN wasn't a mickey mouse tournament tho...........

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lock in wasnt mickey mouse. i only really think 8 team events like madrid are even worthy of it cuz every team has a new roster 8 teams really isnt enough cuz u its more easy to fluke in 8 teams than 16

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at least you actually had to qualify for madrid, lock in was an INVITATIONAL LOL

also that means every start of the year masters will be "mickey mouse" because they will keep that 8 team format, making Bangkok already mickey mouse!

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zhongZHI

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yea 8 team format is ass not enough teams. and start of year teams kinda fluky like kc and stuff

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BulkyLettuce

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yea no, im not for calling every start of the year masters a mickey mouse

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im not even saying it is im just saying its the one with the most merit lol.

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BulkyLettuce

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the mickey mouse is the single elim invitational, 99.9% of VCT international tourney's had qualifiers making the 0.1% one a mickey mouse

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dont u remember the kick off tournament? that kinda helps my argument

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BulkyLettuce

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VCT international tourney

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teilwal

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Kickoff is a vct tournament with international teams

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BulkyLettuce

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can you link me the tourney in vlr

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cameran

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nah madrid was still micky if we had people like kc qualling, as well as prx + loud making playoffs lmaooo

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that means every first masters of the year is mickey because they will keep for format for the future lmaooo

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why does it being an invitational matter? do you think fnatic wouldn't have qualified? KKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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BulkyLettuce

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because the opponents fnc played were horrible and the only reason those horrible teams were there was because they got invited? do you think 2023 teams like furia and sen (who fnc fought and were a free win) would have qualified? KKKKKKKKKK

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literally the worst argument you could've come up with. the only top tier team outside of the top 4 was NRG, do you think NRG would've won lock in if it was double bracket? or do you think DRX could have? 😂

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yes there is a high chance there would've been a different winner if it was double elim and that they should've had a qualifier to get rid of trash teams that wouldn't have qualified for a higher level of play but did because it was an INVITATIONAL , thats how probability works

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the only teams that beat fnatic the whole year were loud and lulquid (weren't playing seriously) but whatever let's you sleep at night buddy 😹

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theres a reason FNC got 4th at champs, 3 other teams were better, keep coping

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is it the same reason prx was 32nd in lock in?

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BulkyLettuce

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thank you for proving my point on how 1 off day and single elim is mickey

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holy own

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This is dumb. A double elim bracket is not to eliminate luck. At least not for the eventual winner

trying to diminish the efforts of the winner of a single elim event is straight up stupid

Argentina wasn’t lucky they just won
Brazil haven’t been lucky a lot they just won a lot
And if these teams were lucky or benefited from the format, then so did the winner of double elimination brackets in any other competition

Double elim format is more for the prize pool and to get more games in rather than to eliminate luck. In a game like valorant where there are Strats to be anti’d throwing in more losers brackets doesn’t necessarily eliminate luck

It’s for prize pool in the sense that a team can be eliminated by the best team in quarters and get 10k for it but they are actually the second best team itw and would have got 50k with a different draw. A double elimination bracket only removes luck for the teams that don’t win

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BulkyLettuce

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comparing soccer and valorant is the second where you lost, valorant is objectively way more "luck" based than soccer, this can be proven by how no same team has ever won a valorant championship yet and now if you add in single elim on top of that it will be even more luck based, you sound stupid

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Ok bro but who’s to say the second match means more than the first match

If you only have one match then teams will prep differently than if there were another, the second match is not the same as the first and it doesn’t remove luck if there’s another match, at least not necessarily

The lower bracket is not made to decide the winner more accurately. You can ask anyone who works in riot, that’s how I came to this opinion

Lower bracket is still good and necessary for this game, but there are multiple reasons that come before finding the true winner, because that’s not what a lower bracket does

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the best team in the world can have 1 off day and lose the tourney, double elim prevents that. This is why 99.99% of vct tourneys is double elim, riot knows the 0.01% is mickey mouse and they know single elim is too hard in such a luck based game which is why they never did it again

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kanyefan4238173

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What if the better team wins the first time and gets unlucky the second time because the game is so luck based

This is just not why lower bracket exists

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BulkyLettuce

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u just explained why we need double elim, if the better team wins the first time and then gets unlucky the second time they go to lower bracket, only time this wouldn't apply is the grand finals and at that point the better team would win anyways. You just proved my point

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kanyefan4238173

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No I didn’t bro. I don’t have to prove anything anyway because it’s a fact this is not the main consideration for why there is a lower bracket

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BulkyLettuce

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that is the whole point of double elim, because single elim wouldnt be fair to everyone who qualified for the event and flew to a whole different country. 1 off day and you get sent right back home, game is too luck based for that

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kanyefan4238173

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Yes ur right. It’s about getting more games in. Thats a big part

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BulkyLettuce

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thats just a flat out lie because lock in (single elim) had more games played than madrid (double elim), stop spreading misinformation and acting like its truth, you look silly

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Froggy0_0

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any tournament won by apac or china

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Memea donates those titles 😹😹😹

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uwukitten

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considering your flair, you should be a fan of single elim since that's the only way your shit team is ever fluking a trophy 😹

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BulkyLettuce

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thank you for agreeing that single elim is mickey, also ironic considering your flair 😹

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battle of chokers kekw

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real

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champions 2024 is what i call mickey mouse

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lock in was the best tournament to watch ever and yall can cry about it

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he is back to a solid 7/8 bait

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Realistically the only mickey mouse-ness you get from single elim formats is when determining 2nd place cuz it is possible for the actual second best team to be eliminated early by the best team and not get a shot at grand finals but who really cares about that shit?

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criteria so shit that riot games rule organisers lost their damn brain in here

0/8 + flair detected, opinion rejected

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W
Agreed

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You've gotta love the 99.99%, everyone's favourite fake statistic, along with 99.9% and 99%

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BulkyLettuce

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prove me wrong? riot already said lock in the invitational single elim tourney was a one time thing for the introduction of franchising. This means for the future of valorant for however long that lasts, there will be hundreds more tourney that arent single elim making lock in the only 0.01% fluke single elim tourney