- single elimination (rewards the luckiest team, not the most consistent. This is why 99.99% of VCT tourneys are double elimination)
- start of franchising (new teams, new players, teams like OPTIC who made grand finals of champions the year before couldn't participate excluding one of the best teams in the world at the time)
- included every franchise team, making it an invitational (NO ONE HAD TO QUALIFY FOR THIS EVENT making it the only VCT tourney that was an invitational so teams like DFM and MIBR participated in it resulting in free wins and horrible competitive level of play)
- riot games themselves admitted it was mickey mouse (they said it was a one time event exclusively for the start of franchising and will never hold anything like it again because they know it was mickey mouse)
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zhongZHI [#4]lock in wasnt mickey mouse. i only really think 8 team events like madrid are even worthy of it cuz every team has a new roster 8 teams really isnt enough cuz u its more easy to fluke in 8 teams than 16
at least you actually had to qualify for madrid, lock in was an INVITATIONAL LOL
also that means every start of the year masters will be "mickey mouse" because they will keep that 8 team format, making Bangkok already mickey mouse!
BulkyLettuce [#5]at least you actually had to qualify for madrid, lock in was an INVITATIONAL LOL
also that means every start of the year masters will be "mickey mouse" because they will keep that 8 team format, making Bangkok already mickey mouse!
yea 8 team format is ass not enough teams. and start of year teams kinda fluky like kc and stuff
LordItachi [#2]
- Won by Fnatic or Sentinels.
-by idiots who can't comprehend that a popular team can actually be just good not always overhyped.
all sen wins happen to be mickey wins but not all mickey wins are sen wins
zhongZHI [#6]yea 8 team format is ass not enough teams. and start of year teams kinda fluky like kc and stuff
yea no, im not for calling every start of the year masters a mickey mouse
BulkyLettuce [#8]yea no, im not for calling every start of the year masters a mickey mouse
im not even saying it is im just saying its the one with the most merit lol.
zhongZHI [#9]im not even saying it is im just saying its the one with the most merit lol.
the mickey mouse is the single elim invitational, 99.9% of VCT international tourney's had qualifiers making the 0.1% one a mickey mouse
LordItachi [#2]
- Won by Fnatic or Sentinels.
-by idiots who can't comprehend that a popular team can actually be just good not always overhyped.
every SEN win teams had to actually qualify to the event, it wasnt a invitational
BulkyLettuce [#10]the mickey mouse is the single elim invitational, 99.9% of VCT international tourney's had qualifiers making the 0.1% one a mickey mouse
dont u remember the kick off tournament? that kinda helps my argument
zhongZHI [#12]dont u remember the kick off tournament? that kinda helps my argument
VCT international tourney
teilwal [#14]Kickoff is a vct tournament with international teams
can you link me the tourney in vlr
This is dumb. A double elim bracket is not to eliminate luck. At least not for the eventual winner
trying to diminish the efforts of the winner of a single elim event is straight up stupid
Argentina wasn’t lucky they just won
Brazil haven’t been lucky a lot they just won a lot
And if these teams were lucky or benefited from the format, then so did the winner of double elimination brackets in any other competition
Double elim format is more for the prize pool and to get more games in rather than to eliminate luck. In a game like valorant where there are Strats to be anti’d throwing in more losers brackets doesn’t necessarily eliminate luck
It’s for prize pool in the sense that a team can be eliminated by the best team in quarters and get 10k for it but they are actually the second best team itw and would have got 50k with a different draw. A double elimination bracket only removes luck for the teams that don’t win
BulkyLettuce [#5]at least you actually had to qualify for madrid, lock in was an INVITATIONAL LOL
also that means every start of the year masters will be "mickey mouse" because they will keep that 8 team format, making Bangkok already mickey mouse!
nah madrid was still micky if we had people like kc qualling, as well as prx + loud making playoffs lmaooo
cameran [#18]nah madrid was still micky if we had people like kc qualling, as well as prx + loud making playoffs lmaooo
that means every first masters of the year is mickey because they will keep for format for the future lmaooo
kanyefan4238173 [#16]This is dumb. A double elim bracket is not to eliminate luck. At least not for the eventual winner
trying to diminish the efforts of the winner of a single elim event is straight up stupid
Argentina wasn’t lucky they just won
Brazil haven’t been lucky a lot they just won a lot
And if these teams were lucky or benefited from the format, then so did the winner of double elimination brackets in any other competitionDouble elim format is more for the prize pool and to get more games in rather than to eliminate luck. In a game like valorant where there are Strats to be anti’d throwing in more losers brackets doesn’t necessarily eliminate luck
It’s for prize pool in the sense that a team can be eliminated by the best team in quarters and get 10k for it but they are actually the second best team itw and would have got 50k with a different draw. A double elimination bracket only removes luck for the teams that don’t win
comparing soccer and valorant is the second where you lost, valorant is objectively way more "luck" based than soccer, this can be proven by how no same team has ever won a valorant championship yet and now if you add in single elim on top of that it will be even more luck based, you sound stupid
BulkyLettuce [#5]at least you actually had to qualify for madrid, lock in was an INVITATIONAL LOL
also that means every start of the year masters will be "mickey mouse" because they will keep that 8 team format, making Bangkok already mickey mouse!
why does it being an invitational matter? do you think fnatic wouldn't have qualified? KKKKKKKKKKKKKK
uwukitten [#21]why does it being an invitational matter? do you think fnatic wouldn't have qualified? KKKKKKKKKKKKKK
because the opponents fnc played were horrible and the only reason those horrible teams were there was because they got invited? do you think 2023 teams like furia and sen (who fnc fought and were a free win) would have qualified? KKKKKKKKKK
LordItachi [#2]
- Won by Fnatic or Sentinels.
-by idiots who can't comprehend that a popular team can actually be just good not always overhyped.
so called "good" teams beating newly formed rosters after they've had half a year of practice, compare that to other trophies where all the teams had plenty of time together then tell me they're of the same value 🥱
uwukitten [#22]considering your flair, you should be a fan of single elim since that's the only way your shit team is ever fluking a trophy 😹
thank you for agreeing that single elim is mickey, also ironic considering your flair 😹
uwukitten [#24]so called "good" teams beating newly formed rosters after they've had half a year of practice, compare that to other trophies where all the teams had plenty of time together then tell me they're of the same value 🥱
FNC was newly formed? the "newly formed" FNC which kept the same roster from 2023 to 2024 got embarrassed by KC which is why they werent there, keep crying
BulkyLettuce [#23]because the opponents fnc played were horrible and the only reason those horrible teams were there was because they got invited? do you think 2023 teams like furia and sen (who fnc fought and were a free win) would have qualified? KKKKKKKKKK
literally the worst argument you could've come up with. the only top tier team outside of the top 4 was NRG, do you think NRG would've won lock in if it was double bracket? or do you think DRX could have? 😂
BulkyLettuce [#26]FNC was newly formed? the "newly formed" FNC which kept the same roster from 2023 to 2024 got embarrassed by KC which is why they werent there, keep crying
? I was talking about the other teams you idiot, reading comprehension of a 47 chromosome toddler
uwukitten [#27]literally the worst argument you could've come up with. the only top tier team outside of the top 4 was NRG, do you think NRG would've won lock in if it was double bracket? or do you think DRX could have? 😂
yes there is a high chance there would've been a different winner if it was double elim and that they should've had a qualifier to get rid of trash teams that wouldn't have qualified for a higher level of play but did because it was an INVITATIONAL , thats how probability works
LordItachi [#2]
- Won by Fnatic or Sentinels.
-by idiots who can't comprehend that a popular team can actually be just good not always overhyped.
"LordItachi" preaching us about idiots
BulkyLettuce [#29]yes there is a high chance there would've been a different winner if it was double elim and that they should've had a qualifier to get rid of trash teams that wouldn't have qualified for a higher level of play but did because it was an INVITATIONAL , thats how probability works
the only teams that beat fnatic the whole year were loud and lulquid (weren't playing seriously) but whatever let's you sleep at night buddy 😹
uwukitten [#28]? I was talking about the other teams you idiot, reading comprehension of a 47 chromosome toddler
are you slow? you tried to diminish the win by saying there was "newly formed rosters" but these new formed rosters literally beat teams like FNC who kept their rosters from 2023 to 2024, making them better than teams that were old. You cant be this slow right?
BulkyLettuce [#25]thank you for agreeing that single elim is mickey, also ironic considering your flair 😹
battle of chokers kekw
BulkyLettuce [#32]are you slow? you tried to diminish the win by saying there was "newly formed rosters" but these new formed rosters literally beat teams like FNC who kept their rosters from 2023 to 2024, making them better than teams that were old. You cant be this slow right?
fnatic didn't use the off season well, being an old roster won't help when you don't scrim as much as the other teams. meanwhile other teams like loud and prx who mostly kept the same rosters placed highly in madrid then proceeded to either not make it or get farmed in the following tournaments. most obvious mickey mouse trophy of all time 🥱
uwukitten [#31]the only teams that beat fnatic the whole year were loud and lulquid (weren't playing seriously) but whatever let's you sleep at night buddy 😹
theres a reason FNC got 4th at champs, 3 other teams were better, keep coping
BulkyLettuce [#35]theres a reason FNC got 4th at champs, 3 other teams were better, keep coping
is it the same reason prx was 32nd in lock in?
uwukitten [#34]fnatic didn't use the off season well, being an old roster won't help when you don't scrim as much as the other teams. meanwhile other teams like loud and prx who mostly kept the same rosters placed highly in madrid then proceeded to either not make it or get farmed in the following tournaments. most obvious mickey mouse trophy of all time 🥱
PRX was also newly formed from 2023 to 2024 right? you sound mentally not there
BulkyLettuce [#37]PRX was also newly formed from 2023 to 2024 right? you sound mentally not there
you actually can't read, this is embarrassing 😔
uwukitten [#36]is it the same reason prx was 32nd in lock in?
thank you for proving my point on how 1 off day and single elim is mickey
uwukitten [#38]you actually can't read, this is embarrassing 😔
still doesnt change the fact how the "newly formed teams" were better than whatever teams your talking about that werent new because those new teams actually qualifed. By your logic those old 2023 teams didnt qualify because they were so bad and lost to the new ones (like how fnc got embarassed by kc)
BulkyLettuce [#15]can you link me the tourney in vlr
Here you can see the Americas Kickoff VLR link (https://www.vlr.gg/event/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff) which is a "Part of the Valorant Champions Tour, Riot's official 2024 tournament circuit"
And here you can see a Riot Games Article where it has an image of the "TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE & FORMAT" of the Kickoff Tournament containing teams from the Americas International League: (https://valorantesports.com/en-US/news/vct-americas-kickoff-everything-you-need-to-know)
teilwal [#41]Here you can see the Americas Kickoff VLR link (https://www.vlr.gg/event/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff) which is a "Part of the Valorant Champions Tour, Riot's official 2024 tournament circuit"
And here you can see a Riot Games Article where it has an image of the "TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE & FORMAT" of the Kickoff Tournament containing teams from the Americas International League: (https://valorantesports.com/en-US/news/vct-americas-kickoff-everything-you-need-to-know)
now lets look through the teams that played in (https://www.vlr.gg/event/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff) wow all americas teams, hence the "americas" in "champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff"! im talking about international VCT tournaments
BulkyLettuce [#20]comparing soccer and valorant is the second where you lost, valorant is objectively way more "luck" based than soccer, this can be proven by how no same team has ever won a valorant championship yet and now if you add in single elim on top of that it will be even more luck based, you sound stupid
Ok bro but who’s to say the second match means more than the first match
If you only have one match then teams will prep differently than if there were another, the second match is not the same as the first and it doesn’t remove luck if there’s another match, at least not necessarily
The lower bracket is not made to decide the winner more accurately. You can ask anyone who works in riot, that’s how I came to this opinion
Lower bracket is still good and necessary for this game, but there are multiple reasons that come before finding the true winner, because that’s not what a lower bracket does
kanyefan4238173 [#44]Ok bro but who’s to say the second match means more than the first match
If you only have one match then teams will prep differently than if there were another, the second match is not the same as the first and it doesn’t remove luck if there’s another match, at least not necessarily
The lower bracket is not made to decide the winner more accurately. You can ask anyone who works in riot, that’s how I came to this opinion
Lower bracket is still good and necessary for this game, but there are multiple reasons that come before finding the true winner, because that’s not what a lower bracket does
the best team in the world can have 1 off day and lose the tourney, double elim prevents that. This is why 99.99% of vct tourneys is double elim, riot knows the 0.01% is mickey mouse and they know single elim is too hard in such a luck based game which is why they never did it again
BulkyLettuce [#46]the best team in the world can have 1 off day and lose the tourney, double elim prevents that. This is why 99.99% of vct tourneys is double elim, riot knows the 0.01% is mickey mouse and they know single elim is too hard in such a luck based game which is why they never did it again
What if the better team wins the first time and gets unlucky the second time because the game is so luck based
This is just not why lower bracket exists
kanyefan4238173 [#47]What if the better team wins the first time and gets unlucky the second time because the game is so luck based
This is just not why lower bracket exists
u just explained why we need double elim, if the better team wins the first time and then gets unlucky the second time they go to lower bracket, only time this wouldn't apply is the grand finals and at that point the better team would win anyways. You just proved my point
BulkyLettuce [#48]u just explained why we need double elim, if the better team wins the first time and then gets unlucky the second time they go to lower bracket, only time this wouldn't apply is the grand finals and at that point the better team would win anyways. You just proved my point
No I didn’t bro. I don’t have to prove anything anyway because it’s a fact this is not the main consideration for why there is a lower bracket
kanyefan4238173 [#49]No I didn’t bro. I don’t have to prove anything anyway because it’s a fact this is not the main consideration for why there is a lower bracket
that is the whole point of double elim, because single elim wouldnt be fair to everyone who qualified for the event and flew to a whole different country. 1 off day and you get sent right back home, game is too luck based for that
crayon [#30]"LordItachi" preaching us about idiots
Maybe argue with a better point instead of name shaming.
BulkyLettuce [#50]that is the whole point of double elim, because single elim wouldnt be fair to everyone who qualified for the event and flew to a whole different country. 1 off day and you get sent right back home, game is too luck based for that
Yes ur right. It’s about getting more games in. Thats a big part
BulkyLettuce [#40]still doesnt change the fact how the "newly formed teams" were better than whatever teams your talking about that werent new because those new teams actually qualifed. By your logic those old 2023 teams didnt qualify because they were so bad and lost to the new ones (like how fnc got embarassed by kc)
as u are part of that disorder community which cant be cured, I forgive u for your stupidity
God bless You
kanyefan4238173 [#54]Yes ur right. It’s about getting more games in. Thats a big part
thats just a flat out lie because lock in (single elim) had more games played than madrid (double elim), stop spreading misinformation and acting like its truth, you look silly
BairyHalls [#55]as u are part of that disorder community which cant be cured, I forgive u for your stupidity
God bless You
found the mickey mouse lock in fan 🤣
how did it feel that derke left you to go to a better team?
BulkyLettuce [#56]thats just a flat out lie because lock in (single elim) had more games played than madrid (double elim), stop spreading misinformation and acting like its truth, you look silly
lockin was a 32 team tournament vs madrid which was a 8 team tournament
obviously lockin has more
smthlikeyou11 [#58]lockin was a 32 team tournament vs madrid which was a 8 team tournament
obviously lockin has more
so then his point on how "double elim is for more games to be played" is false because theres an objective example on how there was a tourney that had less games than lock in and it will be true for all future 1st masters of the year going forward. Bangkok will also have less matches than single elim lock in, making his reasoning how double elim is for "more matches" a straight out lie.
BulkyLettuce [#60]so then his point on how "double elim is for more games to be played" is false because theres an objective example on how there was a tourney that had less games than lock in and it will be true for all future 1st masters of the year going forward. Bangkok will also have less matches than single elim lock in, making his reasoning how double elim is for "more matches" a straight out lie.
dude u realize hes not comparing double elim and single elim right
and obviously u cant compare an 8 team tourney to a 32 tourney
hes saying if madrid or bangkok was a single elim tourney it will have even less games, double elim= more games played than single elim
ur comparing a 8 team elim to a 32 elim thats where ur logic is flawed
smthlikeyou11 [#62]dude u realize hes not comparing double elim and single elim right
and obviously u cant compare an 8 team tourney to a 32 tourney
hes saying if madrid or bangkok was a single elim tourney it will have even less games, double elim= more games played than single elim
ur comparing a 8 team elim to a 32 elim thats where ur logic is flawed
are you slow? he is saying riots reasoning as to why they dont do single elim is because its less games but they already did do single elim and it was more games than madrid and bangkok, making his point factually wrong. So why doesnt riot do 30 team double elims? they want more games correct? its flawed reasoning
BulkyLettuce [#63]are you slow? he is saying riots reasoning as to why they dont do single elim is because its less games but they already did do single elim and it was more games than madrid and bangkok, making his point factually wrong. So why doesnt riot do 30 team double elims? they want more games correct? its flawed reasoning
because it wouldnt make sense to do double elim 32 teams idk what ur on about
brackets come in 8 16 32 64 so on
lockin had 32 teams and to do 32 teams double elim would drag the tournament on way too long
similarly if u do 16 team single elim it would be too short
therefore 16 team single and double elim formats would have more matches than 32, thats just how brackets work
and 8 double elim would have less than 32
simple logic just think ab it
smthlikeyou11 [#64]because it wouldnt make sense to do double elim 32 teams idk what ur on about
brackets come in 8 16 32 64 so on
lockin had 32 teams and to do 32 teams double elim would drag the tournament on way too long
similarly if u do 16 team single elim it would be too short
therefore 16 team single and double elim formats would have more matches than 32, thats just how brackets work
and 8 double elim would have less than 32
simple logic just think ab it
no, they can easily add more teams to franchising and have more teams with larger brackets, stop being delusional, if they truly wanted more games they would've made more teams in franchising. It is flawed reasoning and doesnt prove that the reason riot does double elim over single elim is because of more games, you are deluded.
BulkyLettuce [#65]no, they can easily add more teams to franchising and have more teams with larger brackets, stop being delusional, if they truly wanted more games they would've made more teams in franchising. It is flawed reasoning and doesnt prove that the reason riot does double elim over single elim is because of more games, you are deluded.
but they dont want THAT much games
riot wants just enough
16 game double elim is enough
8 game double elim might be a little less but thats beside the point
its not flawed reason and its also not the only reasoning
smthlikeyou11 [#66]but they dont want THAT much games
riot wants just enough
16 game double elim is enough
8 game double elim might be a little less but thats beside the point
its not flawed reason and its also not the only reasoning
"but they dont want THAT much games" oh now they don't want more games? but thats the reason this whole argument came about? if the reason they did double elim over single elim is for more games then they easily could've made more teams in franchising and had larger brackets for more games, see how that reasoning doesnt work? Riot does double elim because it is an objectively better viewing and competitive experience for the teams than single elim flukes
BulkyLettuce [#68]"but they dont want THAT much games" oh now they don't want more games? but thats the reason this whole argument came about? if the reason they did double elim over single elim is for more games then they easily could've made more teams in franchising and had larger brackets for more games, see how that reasoning doesnt work? Riot does double elim because it is an objectively better viewing and competitive experience for the teams than single elim flukes
dude what its simple comprehension and logic
want more but not excessive, its that simple no??????
if they want larger brackets they'd need A LOT more teams
the reasoning does work perfectly
u want more games but just enough thats its not too much
"fluke game"
who said u cant fluke 2 times in a row?
oh in that case all double elim games are mickey mouse and only triple elims arent mickey mouse
see how that reasoning doesnt work now
being consistent enough to not lose is part of the game cope
smthlikeyou11 [#70]dude what its simple comprehension and logic
want more but not excessive, its that simple no??????
if they want larger brackets they'd need A LOT more teams
the reasoning does work perfectly
u want more games but just enough thats its not too much
"fluke game"
who said u cant fluke 2 times in a row?
oh in that case all double elim games are mickey mouse and only triple elims arent mickey mouse
see how that reasoning doesnt work now
being consistent enough to not lose is part of the game cope
well thank god you arent in charge of riot admin or else you'll make everything single elim because "who said u cant fluke 2 times in a row?" you are delusional. Theres a reason riot made their formats double elim and it isnt for more games, that is why they did single elim once and never did it again, its a mickey mouse win and a mickey mouse format. Cry more cope more
BulkyLettuce [#71]well thank god you arent in charge of riot admin or else you'll make everything single elim because "who said u cant fluke 2 times in a row?" you are delusional. Theres a reason riot made their formats double elim and it isnt for more games, that is why they did single elim once and never did it again, its a mickey mouse win and a mickey mouse format. Cry more cope more
u didnt answer my point lmfao u just deflected it and went on some other bs instead why dont u respond to my point lmao
they did it for single elim because its 32 teams, 32 team single elim would be way too long
single elim also doesnt mean its a fluke, things happen life happen life isnt fair thats just how it is, adapt or get left behind
do u rly wanna watch a 8 team single elim tourney lmfao
the best team won at the end so it isnt a fluke
its so funny seeing all of yall scramble for any excuses u could find to justify whichever team that u dont like winning calling it a fluke
smthlikeyou11 [#72]u didnt answer my point lmfao u just deflected it and went on some other bs instead why dont u respond to my point lmao
they did it for single elim because its 32 teams, 32 team single elim would be way too long
single elim also doesnt mean its a fluke, things happen life happen life isnt fair thats just how it is, adapt or get left behind
do u rly wanna watch a 8 team single elim tourney lmfao
the best team won at the end so it isnt a fluke
its so funny seeing all of yall scramble for any excuses u could find to justify whichever team that u dont like winning calling it a fluke
well im not calling it a fluke, riot themselves called it a fluke when they said this single elim format is ONLY and ONLY for the introduction of franchising and how there will never be another single format bracket. This is why 99.99% of vct International wins aren't flukes and why 0.01% of them are, making your whole "scramble for any excuses u could find to justify whichever team that u dont like winning calling it a fluke" inherently wrong and stupid. Riot themselves admit its not a good format to use for the 99.99% of their actual non fluke tournaments with double elim. I didnt answer your questions because you didnt pose any questions? you are too emotional to understand riot themselves made it apparent why single elim isnt a good format hence them never doing it again, argue riot you ignorant clown
BulkyLettuce [#74]well im not calling it a fluke, riot themselves called it a fluke when they said this single elim format is ONLY and ONLY for the introduction of franchising and how there will never be another single format bracket. This is why 99.99% of vct International wins aren't flukes and why 0.01% of them are, making your whole "scramble for any excuses u could find to justify whichever team that u dont like winning calling it a fluke" inherently wrong and stupid. Riot themselves admit its not a good format to use for the 99.99% of their actual non fluke tournaments with double elim. I didnt answer your questions because you didnt pose any questions? you are too emotional to understand riot themselves made it apparent why single elim isnt a good format hence them never doing it again, argue riot you ignorant clown
riot themselves didnt admit shit ur forming ur own conclusions
riot themselves saying that elim format is only for introduction of franchising does not mean that it is a fluke, coorelation does not equal causation
and no im not emotional i couldnt care less whether fnatic won or not, im js here to correct u
smthlikeyou11 [#75]riot themselves didnt admit shit ur forming ur own conclusions
riot themselves saying that elim format is only for introduction of franchising does not mean that it is a fluke, coorelation does not equal causation
and no im not emotional i couldnt care less whether fnatic won or not, im js here to correct u
they did admit it, they said it was ONLY for the introduction of franchising, what do you think this means? please use your brain and tell me do you seriously think they will do another INVITATIONAL event like that again? YOU DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO QUALIFY
BulkyLettuce [#76]they did admit it, they said it was ONLY for the introduction of franchising, what do you think this means? please use your brain and tell me do you seriously think they will do another INVITATIONAL event like that again? YOU DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO QUALIFY
yea cuz franchising only starts once thats why
smthlikeyou11 [#78]yea cuz franchising only starts once thats why
don't waste your time arguing with b0lkylett0ce, he's retarded. besides he needs to use this time to do his third grade homework 😔
samhatts [#77]You've gotta love the 99.99%, everyone's favourite fake statistic, along with 99.9% and 99%
prove me wrong? riot already said lock in the invitational single elim tourney was a one time thing for the introduction of franchising. This means for the future of valorant for however long that lasts, there will be hundreds more tourney that arent single elim making lock in the only 0.01% fluke single elim tourney
BulkyLettuce [#57]found the mickey mouse lock in fan 🤣
how did it feel that derke left you to go to a better team?
the delulu fan, ur team aint ever winning any trophies
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