Best composition archetype

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Anguibok

Hi vlr, as usual you can't read so I have to talk, the script is available if anybody ask because I read it bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGHldAjmDes

Please be gentle, I have sleep deprivation because of ascension and collecting all T2 data during this week T.T (My English might be even worse, and I speak weirdly faster I think)

Few overall data datas :

Composition without Flash are doing well
Composition without Recon/Reveal are bad
Sage have an OP Winrate
1 duel, 2 init, 2 ctrl did really good
1 duel, 2 init, 1 sent, 1 ctrl did bad

Please guys tell me what map of this split 2 you want me to analysis first, most upvote will be picked

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Sanky

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Hey, I just saw the full video. You did a great job in analysing the composition + you also did a much great job in providing data for each of the composition. That was pretty good. I just have 1 advice..It was a little bit difficult for me to understand some of your words in some cases because I am not so used to french accent. You can add captions to the videos going forward so that it will make it easy to understand fo me. Btw subscribed to your channel and keep making this videos.

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Anguibok

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Thanks a lot !

I have no idea to have a more comprehensible English, my friend told me when I try to make English accent it's impossible to unsertand me (So maybe I should ask for a native speaker to check if it's true)

I should try to see how to add caption but this will probably take time

Any perf map you want me to pick for first vid ?

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KOMPOSTO

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1 duel, 2 init, 2 ctrl did really good

that might be inflated by bind, i think senti is needed on some maps

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isn't cypher basically mandatory on pre-rework Sunset too?

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KOMPOSTO

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kj/cypher mandatory on sunset, haven, ascent, icebox, lotus (maybe not lotus since edg made it work but who knows if it will work long term)

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Two_Percent

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Edg made it work because they honed in on a hyper aggro style where that comp fit them best. For basically any other (normal) team a trad senti on lotus is a must have

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Anguibok

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Not really, he got 39% NMWR, so he may actually horrible in proplay because he is too easy to antistrat on this map (But he still got 90% PR)

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Anguibok

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Thats partly true "IC comp" got a good winrate in almost every maps where they are a little bit pick (Split, Lotus, Bind)

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islaaa

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Since you are interested in T2 could you tell me your opinion on GN? Great video btw :)

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Anguibok

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Hmmm, I didn't saw a lot of their match but I will look at their comp, (Afterall one of my Grandpa was greek so...)

What I love to see if thjey are a lot of roleswap or not, exept fex exemple they are basically a duel player, a smoke player an init player, and a player that play sent-geko, while last player got a more diverse profil.

All their composition was kinda the meta on everymap but maybe they overestimaed the "classical composition"

I dont understand why they drop the Sage on Icebox, the pick got an amazing winrate.

To be fair the team was pretty decent, and was the only one able to beat apeks, to bad they didnt manage to close the game

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Two_Percent

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Sage only has a good win rate bc she is easy to play and very 1 dimensional in her job. She’s strong on maps where you need to get the bomb down without taking site, and her wall is a very good ability. The reason she isn’t meta isn’t because she’s bad, it’s because when you pick sage you have to give up either dedicated flashes/cc, dedicated recon, second smokes, or even a second duelist (on maps like split where it can be meta)

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Anguibok

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She is easy to play and yet is really good in proplay.

Composition without a flash (0F in my video) are amazingly good, Sage WR may prove she is worth sacrificing someting I think

I wonder what her up will look like

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I dont understand why they drop the Sage on Icebox, the pick got an amazing winrate.

Probably because even if she's good, it feels uncomfortable for teams to run double sentinel (since KJ is practically mandatory) instead of Sova + Gekko or Viper + Harbor.

I would like to see a T1 team run Sage and no duelist on Icebox but I don't know if that will happen

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Anguibok

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I really think we should stop consider Sage as a Sentinel :

She have no passive vision
She have no stuff to interact with the be an anchor (and nothing to trap)
She have nothing to lurk and half of her spell are usless if she is alone

Sentinel definition by Riot :
The abilities of agents under this role focus on defensive play, with emphasis on supporting the rest of the team through providing intel, anchoring down sites, and preventing the enemy from flanking.

defensive play : debatable
supporting the rest of the team through providing intel : NONE
anchoring down sites : NONE (Half of your spell are usell only if with other mates)
preventing the enemy from flanking : NONE (using your wall to do that is suicide)

Controller definition by Riot :
The abilities of agents under this role allow them to assist their teammates by cutting enemy vision, taking control of an area, and forcing enemies into choke points.

assist their teammates by cutting enemy vision : 1 spell
taking control of an area : Orb + Wall
forcing enemies into choke points : She can create choke point

People gonna say : But she have stall power ! Yes, exactly same way has every controller, sentinel are so weak that people use a definition of sentinel that cover almost every controller of the game (Viper, Astra, Brim)
I’m not saying she is a controller, I’m saying she is not a Sentinel, she is the antipodes of a senitnel, And if you force me to put her somewhere I rather put her in Controller, or even in Init, everything but not a Sentinel. T.T

But maybe i'm wrong >.>

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islaaa

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that was a great analysis ty

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Anguibok

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My pleasure ^^