Blind Comparison

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Yuh_aye

A blind, unbiased comparison

Who had a better year?

Player 1
2 events
0.98 R , 0.98 R, 1 Trophy

Player 2
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0.99 R
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Now that 20 mins have passed. This is Zellsis vs Woot ON FLEX
Lets say that again: ON FLEX
Woot was not playing flex at shanghai, he was Jett/Raze only duelist. Pati was their flex at shanghai.
Thats why theres so many debates if Woot should go back to duelist from flex

I was getting fucking flamed for putting Zellsis as the flex of the year yesterday because you guys couldn't understand what everybody is saying is obvious when I take away the names.

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unknown_trash

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Player 1. Is this even a debate?

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Pras1mos

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Messi 🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇

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Yuh_aye

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🐐

#4

SomeoneLikeU

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Player 1. Basically same rating and has the trophy

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kalayav_n

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better player or better career? better player is player 1(very low data though if he player 2 was consistently better R than player 1 then player 2 better)

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Yuh_aye

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who had a better year

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kalayav_n

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player 1 by far, trophy weighs more than a simple rating unless the guy has 5.1 rating or something. even if you ask who had a better year aspas or smoggy. its 100% smoggy and it snot even close even though aspas had a good year and is a way better player

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SomeoneLikeU

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aspas had the better year than smoggy. Smoggy did better at champs but highest rating fr the full year is more imprisive then winning champs.

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Aayan

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spoken like a real freak in the sheets (excel sheets)

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kalayav_n

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wanna match the freak, (come help me do math hw)

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Riolol

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comparing zellsis and who else?

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Yuh_aye

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ill reveal it in a few mins after some more responses

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c4rrotstix

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zellsis and who?

id say s1mon but he got his trophy so it cant be him
pati also went to 2 tourneys so it cant be him

maybe valyn but he went to 2 tourneys, he just doesn't have a rating from shanghai

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kalayav_n

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prob maybe chron or cauan

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c4rrotstix

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chron had 2 events, cauanzin had a 1.05 rating at madrid

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kalayav_n

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cauan has .99 rating with kickoff and amer season included so idk if hes adding those or only counting the int. ratings, also forgot chron went to shanghai FK

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Selfim

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Its zellsis and woot prob

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c4rrotstix

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woot had 2 events tho, and woot was obviously rated higher than 0.99 at shanghai even without ratings

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kalayav_n

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zellsis 100% better than tbh, zellsis flex's and wo0ts flex agents apart from maybe "gekko" and jett are horrible util wise.

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KyLZi

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clearly player1

#15

smthlikeyou11

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based on stats obviously player 1 but theres more to the game than just pure stats

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nihso

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Having a trophy is better than any stat you can produce.

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jasonWong

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no , i mean lakia has a free trophy , he was one of the worst this year

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nihso

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A team doesn't win a 4v5. Go play a ranked game and go afk after pistol. See who wins.

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Yuh_aye

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The only exception is fnatic

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nihso

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True. 4 cheaters obviously you're gonna win everything.

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Selfim

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Zellsis and woot?

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Yuh_aye

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Correct

on flex

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Selfim

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The thing is that from the many press conferences and vlogs ive watched from a lot of teams i can easliy say that ratings might sometimes mean nothing if you take secondary calls, midround calls, instant reaction calls, motivation, utility usage (as in knowing when and how much to use not just for basic stuff like site clearance or info, for more mind game things like baiting and faking) and mental in consideration. And from what i can see both zellsis and woot play a big role on that. Now im not gonna talk about zellsis since he already got a trophy but for woots duelist change? Hell no. Woot plays a huge factor in secondary and midround calls in the team and his utility usage may not be perfect but his thinking of the situations are very well thought but the lack of experience shows cracks in his decisions which will get better every event. And when he was in the duelist role he wasnt doing any of these and he didnt need to think too much about support and utility as well which made him fully focus on his aim and placement which got him high kills and high ratings. He isn't worse or anything, he is simply not focusing on just aiming anymore

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Yuh_aye

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I don't have a position on the 'should woot go back to duelist' debate. I think thats for the team to decide. I only made this post because people were flaming me yesterday for putting Zellsis > Woot on Flex

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Selfim

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Ngl i fw that and my 2nd favorite player is woot

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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Zellsis>>>>>Woot even on duelist. Buddy left Shanghai and went home early during the GF whereas Zellsis carried map 5

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catNmouse

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hate the mfs that say wo0t back on duelist as if they didn’t get shit on map 4 and map 5

atleast it was much closer this time around

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Two_Percent

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Imma be fr there were so many times in champs were woot sold (especially on icebox) by aggroing with miniboo, or just aground in general. I think he’s an insane player but he’s not fully comfortable in the flex spot. 2025 he cooks everyone on any agent tho