Johnqt the greatest IGL of all time?

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Jarvuy

If SEN win champs, qt has to be the best IGL in the game cuz he got SEN two majors in one year.

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boaster did it first

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Jarvuy

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qt is a rookie and champs >>>>>

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flinskyy

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It was not our fault that he was not in tier 1 for 2 years

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Jarvuy

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Well as soon as he got in tier 1 he dominated and with a champs and masters win in a single year boaster isn’t even close (qt is a shooter as well)

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flinskyy

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U probably didn't watch fnatic in 2023 if u think Johnqt is "dominating" now

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Jarvuy

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Why is FNC not dominating rn? Obviously because other teams have caught up right? That also means other teams are also better than what FNC used to be because FNC is same as what they were in 2023 so your point makes no sense

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flinskyy

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"Obviously because other teams have caught up right" they fell off. Hope this helps

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Bald_man

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Damn the double standards are crazy

Sen 2021- other teams caught up
Fnatic- they fell off

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JustHunterM8

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Sen 2021 fell off just like FNC have this year. The opinion of dumbass vlr posters don't matter.
But yes johnqt being an Ascension favourite/best igl having had only 1 year in VCT and reaching a masters and champs win in his first run of it is a more impressive feat than what boaster has done in his career.
On top of that boaster did it with 4 best in role players aside from arguably Derke since aspas was a thing but then again loud were in shambles for most of that year.
Johnqt did it with zellsis, who was claimed to be a washed vibes merchant, tenz, also claimed to be washed and out of his prime by 99% of the community (and tbf they weren't exactly wrong), zekken, moving to a COMPLETELY new role after showing his world class performances on flex being even arguably the best flex in 2022, and sacy, a man who was ridiculed for being the worst player on this team and that he didnt know how to shoot at all.
All that is far more impressive than boasters dominance with the greatest superteam in the history of valorant (coming from a Sen/FNC fan)

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quasihobo

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Johnqt has a masters win like Boaster and is in top 4 at champs
I dont know what makes boaster better ?

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dominated? they didnt even make all 3 lans this year. fnatic lost 3 games I believe all year round

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lets compare their stats

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cscheater

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gotta be bait. asking for stats when talking about igls lol.
if u wanna talk about stats fnatics were way better than sens are right now

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Jarvuy

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No they weren’t. Top teams rn would shit on FNC 2023 lmao

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cscheater

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dumbass you are responding with shit not even related to what is being said lmfao

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LOCK IN was a gimmick tournament, u cannot convince me otherwise

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Vegaaa

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boaster did it with 4 of the best players that year

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JustHunterM8

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Gonna put this here for easier reading

Sen 2021 fell off just like FNC have this year. The opinion of dumbass vlr posters don't matter.
But yes johnqt being an Ascension favourite/best igl having had only 1 year in VCT and reaching a masters and champs win in his first run of it is a more impressive feat than what boaster has done in his career.
On top of that boaster did it with 4 best in role players aside from arguably Derke since aspas was a thing but then again loud were in shambles for most of that year.
Johnqt did it with zellsis, who was claimed to be a washed vibes merchant, tenz, also claimed to be washed and out of his prime by 99% of the community (and tbf they weren't exactly wrong), zekken, moving to a COMPLETELY new role after showing his world class performances on flex being even arguably the best flex in 2022, and sacy, a man who was ridiculed for being the worst player on this team and that he didnt know how to shoot at all.
All that is far more impressive than boasters dominance with the greatest superteam in the history of valorant (coming from a Sen/FNC fan)

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AltonBu02

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too small of a time frame to be considered the greatest in anything + boaster did it first

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Jarvuy

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we are NEVER giving lock-in same importance as champs 😭🫵 + qt is a rookie

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AltonBu02

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you just said 2 majors in one year so I was just addressing that what you said isn't true + it's exactly because he is a rookie that he can't be the greatest yet; he needs at least another year or two to show that he is the greatest igl of all time

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Jarvuy

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Why does he need another year or two to be greatest when he can achieve more than any IGLs so far? Makes no sense lmao

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Potatobrawler8

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cuz pop-off fluke years exist

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Jarvuy

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Fluked 2 majors in a single year? Guess ever team should try to be a fluke then 💀

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Potatobrawler8

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bro,

offseason/ kickoff/stage 1 fnatic did not look good, even though the roster was the same as 2023.
you need consistency to be considered the goat. Do you remember the winning igl on acend? Me neither, consistency is key

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nihso

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trace lost and bro is just resorting to baiting. super sad

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Potatobrawler8

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what does trace have to do with this, I can put up a nova esports flair and my point still stands.

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nihso

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bro he got 2nd at ascension. if he wins champs (dont think he will) he gonna have 2 trophies. he done good for 2 years and is set up for another.

continue thread →

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You know why the likes of Messi and Ronaldo discussed in GOAT debates in football? That's coz they dominated the sport for like 15-20 yrs or so. People didn't call them GOAT in like the first season they won UCL or league. Got it?

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quasihobo

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but valorant hasnt been for 2 centuries

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tizwhatitiz

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That's true, but valorant hasn't even been around for a decade at least actually. So I think, just for a player perspective, at least 3-5 yrs should be a measuring period no?
Just my opinion though.

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quasihobo

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yup makes sense. I get the hesitation people have but if john has achieved more than any IGL in history of valorant( i dont know if he has) he will be the goat igl.

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quasihobo

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yup makes sense. I get the hesitation people have but if john has achieved more than any IGL in history of valorant( i dont know if he has) he will be the goat igl.

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nihso

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They have to win first.

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Jarvuy

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Yea yea all this only if they win 🤞

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nihso

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But there is some argue potential in this statement.

Boaster also won 2 Tournaments
FNS won and got 2 more podium placements although has fell off
Saadhak won champs 2nd twice and won VCT Americas 2023
johnqt Won twice but also looked very bad during Stage 1 and Stage 2.

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Jarvuy

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In the end it comes down to the accomplishments and many have accomplished much, but I still think a masters and a champs in a single year is the best so far an IGL has accomplished. No one cares about consistency when you win major trophies.

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lakpx

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just one year and we come to conclusions regarding all time great

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yellow_donkey

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this is why people hate sen and sen fans

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Rokun

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if people hate sen because of the fans, why don't people just become the decent SEN fans instead. People be hating the goats when they just out there laughing and playing the game and creating enjoyable content.

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RadishSR

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Because it's quite literally impossible to enjoy a team when 50% or more of their fanbase is completely braindead. I have massive respect for the players, they are insane, but the fans make it so insufferable.

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UREK

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i agree I love sen and every other org because they have have players that have reached a place we cant but the fan base is so trash that people start hating them

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bronzil_enjoyer

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tf? are you braindead?

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Docta

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JohnQT wasn't as dominant as IGLs like Boaster, Boostio, FNS. SEN kinda fell off split 1 and 2 and barely qualled to champs, while those other IGLS showed consistency by winning regional tournaments, not just internationals

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RedZero

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Assuming SEN wins this champs, then he has to win either 1 more champs, or 1 more masters to be considered.

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thenutoriousPRO

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johnqt isnt even a top 5 igl currently

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Smartest SEN fan

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KClaw

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Nope not the greatest of all time but definitely one of the best of all time besides sadhak, boaster, fns