Subroza and sinatraa low-key might be better initiators with enough time. Those guys were util demons with insane mechanics and clutch potential

Now that you mention it you're right actually, subroza was one of the most entertaining players to watch back in the day I completely forgot

No way you said cned over tenz ☠️

Nah fr as a D1 tenz fan the guy is a horrible streaming personality, he isn't funny, he isn't that insightful, he isn't really exciting at all, nor are his reactions entertaining.
He just sounds and looks like a different person when playing competitively when compared to streaming. Like look at how he interacts with zelleis, that shit is such a vibe, his streams don't feel like that at all.

I need him to realize that and come back to the game at some point when he feels like the game is in a good enough place.

Tenz was far better and more impactful than woot, kk (for majority of the year), meteor, chichoo, aspas, Benjy, johnqt, Derek, and chronicle.
You're just blatantly trying to hate. Tenz was easily top 10 players of last year and has Sen not fallen off for Shanghai I'm sure he'd be considered in the top 5, his impact was unmatched on smokes and we've never seen a smokes player get that much consistent impact throughout the year

Plat 1 minimum is diabolical

But how is it that a trans man isn't marginalized but trans women are?
It's fact that they just aren't the same as actual women or men

A trans woman is more of a woman than a trans man is, this is society's logic of today and it's amazing the west hasn't already fallen into anarchy and failed.

I know there are actual trans people that would be more of whatever gender they identify as but the fact is majority arent

"people don't just wake up and decide to be a certain gender"
That's literally what the majority of trans people today are doing... Deciding their gender

Blatantly ignoring how amazing they looked in champs. Their problem was inconsistency, not their play

Ooga booga AHH logic fr

Sacy the bald goat will be treasured forever

That's what I was saying bro. The intangibles he brings are immeasurable

Lmao greatest valorant igl confirmed

Now y'all see how massive sacy was for these guys' midround?

It's genuinely so sad cause he has so much potential it's crazy. I feel like he could easily reach the peaks of bang or at least Zander if he was given a chance in tier 1

Yea I mean adding 2 guys both not as good as their replacements and then giving them roles they don't typically play will kill your team no matter who it is

What's the point of making it to champs when you're just gonna fuck up in groups?

Yea but Sen lost their best player, c9 went from "couldn't get worse" with vanity to "the sky is the limit" after removing vanity.
It's that simple really

Tarik streams with the right crowd or in games he actually cares about are the funniest watch parties in all of valorant

Tmv is entertaining? Mf fakes all his reactions bro

What?

Tmv watch parties have to be the worst watch party in valorant

Riot has advertised many different players, what do you think was happening when tenz didn't make any lans?
Stop being such a whiner just because the name tenz was mentioned

Except that was never what this was about. You people need to stop being so blinded by rage when hearing anything positive regarding tenz.
Being the face of something doesn't mean automatically that you're the best of that thing. The face of chess is Magnus Carlson but Gary Kasparov has had a far more impressive rule over the games history (ofc during his time he was the face).
It might be someone else in the future but it's unlikely considering how much influence tenz has had in regards to bringing in new pros and new casuals to the game. More viewers, and changed the landscape of the esports' rise in popularity.

Just like how riens is stuck on a team of chokers?

Nah bro thats omega levels of copium

it starts back up in january so it isnt as bad as last year

Not even a buddy??
Who tf is gonna be incentivised to watch because they think the banner is cool?

They were both Mickey bro stop deluding yourself.

What does amount of matches have to di with achievements

They were the better team I agree, I'm talking achievements tho. Sen got 4th not 6th and in terms of this champions it's much more impressive to me than getting 2nd in Madrid and it makes up for not making it out of the hardest region in the world.
GenG had 0 issues getting out of Pacific cause even Prx for most of the year were trash

3rd place by heretics in champs has already surpassed GenG, champs is higher prestige than masters especially this year. There is 0 argument to be had that the level of play and the difficulty in advancing to the next rounds are astronomically harder to do this champs than masters shanghai

Prx have been bad all year so it was just you expecting anything, GenG disappointed but again we've seen this from every winner so not unexpected, vitality got grouped but not because they were bad, it was because trace had an amazing 2 maps on both them and Lev. Drx were amazing, if anything they were better than a significant portion of their early performances as the old roster and made it 5th 6th with rookies, that's not an underperformance. Esp if you lose to TH.

G2 underperformed as well but we also know that they do this every international event, there ain't nothing out of the norm out of everything you pointed out. Id only give validity to the G2 one and even then it's 1 underperformance, that doesn't warrant this tournament being bad

yall really dont remember the past champs tourneys do you?

even as a fan of FNC their wins were mickey mouse. It was almost a 0 map loss win in lockin even though Loud gave them a real competition and Tokyo was a lossless tourney with a 3-0 finals breeze. The only argument for Lockin is that every team was there so it wasnt a mickey mouse because thats ALL the competition in VCT. Tokyo tho was a fuck fest with some of the rated top 6 teams went out 0-2

nice flair

(informal, by extension, derogatory, sports, US) Any championship in a sporting competition that is perceived to be of lower quality than other championships due to weaker competition or circumstances
You really are a dumbass huh? Keep talking, its hilarious

4th champs is better than 2nd in an 8 team tournament by quite a massive margin considering this champs was generationally harder than either 2 tourneys

tf did you get that definition from my guy. Your argument is literally "i dont like your definition of this word so youre wrong"
Its mickey mouse TOURNEY not mickey mouse winners. The tourney was mickey mouse cause there was no competitior other than GENG, its that simple

Nah best team of the year likely going to Heretics if they win, either way tho the issue with the valorant scene is that they havent been able to regard champions as anything more than a 16 team masters because until this year every champs was the same 8 top teams globally that could even remotely compete for the title. Goign into this tourney people were debating all different versions of their top 8, literally almost any team you put down it would be pretty valid aside from a few.
Every team had difficult matches no matter what group no matter what side of playoffs no matter lower or upper bracket.
Geng didnt even have to sweat to get top 4 in shanghai, fuck they didnt even scrim bro and they won the entire event. Shanghai win was no big feat as an achievement alone. GENG couldve played at 60% and they still wouldve won it by comfortable margin

it was more competitive sure you could argue but it had so much more disappointment with the amount of egregious throws that happened. On top of that SEN v GENG was a matchup of giants going neck and neck whereas in shanghai we didnt really have any of that and GENG kinda just breezed on through aside from the fnc match

SEN were literally favourites for Madrid and Geng were only second to PRX in Shanghai and PRX didnt perform in the slightest

the flair on this made this one of the funniest retorts in vlr history

saying there were throws this champs is one thing but to lie to yourself and say the competition is just as good is insane behaviour. Just watch the matches and youll see that shanghai didnt deliver as much as it was hyped up to. PRX FNC G2 LEV 100T EDG all not delivering on their huge expectations coming into the tournament on top of TH getting completely rolled by GENG which showed how far the disparity in competition really was. GENG definitely deserved to win and they were the best team by far but there wasnt even a challenge for the title in shanghai.
In this champs tho its so much closer than anyone was expecting it to be.
EDG and LEV neck and neck going for the trophy, both of them finally delivering up to the expectations that were put on them so long ago
SEN making an unprecedented run after being thrown under the bus for "not deserving their qualification spot" playing some of their best valorant since madrid
TH creating insane energy and winning rounds of pure individual talent from EVERY SINGLE PLAYER on this roster that hasnt been able to compete together all year
FNC finally showing a glimpse of their prior form from 2023 even though theyre playing with a sub
DRX playing at a phenomenal level after being robbed of their spots in each qualifier right at the very edge of qualification

sure there were some throws but at the very least they mostly happened in the group stage or early playoffs rather than the absolute crumble at the very end of shanghai that we saw from 100t g2 and even to an extent th

i literally called my own teams single trophy since 2021 a mickey mouse, how is that narrative good for me? Either way you people really seem to not understand what a mickey mouse is. Im not saying either of geng or sen were bad, im saying there was no real competition for them and that their titles were practically given to them from the get go.
For Geng it was far easier than for sen but ill give them the benefit of actually looking better in shanghai than sen did in madrid

thats exactly what i mean, how much are we gonna weight an 8 team tournament 2nd place and a fairly uncompetitive shanghai over the most stacked champions weve had in valorant history?
I genuinely dont think im being that unreasonable when i say 4th place in champs is a huge deal to at the very least be in argument for best year over geng

are we really counting the pacific regional trophy? Thats kinda low isnt it? Thats like awarding EDG with a great year in 2023 because they won all stages of their circuit. Pacific wasnt really that competitive in the first place to be measuring it with any weight. All year it was DRX PRX and GenG at the top and PRX GENG were secured spots already. Ofc Americas wasnt a huge deal better but either way im not looking at regional trophies as they are really just glorified qualifiers
Im talking international achievements

yea but thats the thing though, it kinda is the same for GenG. Im trying to say 4th place in this champs means so much more than 2nd in an 8 team masters event that had no competitive teams aside from sen and geng

it genuinely was tho, im not taking the credit away from the winners cause they very clearly were the best teams weve ever seen thus far, both sen and geng are eons above what we had last year aside from EG but what im saying is the skill disparity was so huge. On top of being top heavy both tournaments especially shanghai was filled with chokers and round throw after round throw. TH couldnt even bring their full roster and made it to the GF.
Mickey Mouse just means a tourney where it really isnt competitive at all and the winners were clear from the beginning