Currently theory crafting on Lotus

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cloudberry

I'm curious... are duelists really a necessity on this map? What do we think?

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michaelisupset

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to get past the choke points/senti util? yea. especially on c and b.

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4rrowlol

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dawg this might be the most duelist required map out there

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NexusNomad

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Ya
We saw what happened to fpx. It is insanely hard to enter c site. And forget about entering A site you can't even go towards A rubble with the amount of pressure from the enemy team at the start of the round from the fade, omen and raze.

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leave it to the cn fan to ask this dumbass question 😹 ask fpx how it went when they had their chamber entrying every round (hint: sentinels owned them)

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cloudberry

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I'm a LOUD fan but ok

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zhongZHI

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french flag complaining about other nations.

ironic when the most exciting part of your country are its departure terminals

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Galactc

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Changed flag after 💀

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nobody___100

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it got worse 💀

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shrike-

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i know a certain chinese team that might give you a decent answer

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catNmouse

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Watch Sen vs FPX on lotus & you’ll get your answer

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Denjisideals

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Ahem

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DSGFan

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Not really. For example you have M80's triple sentinel comp.

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Denjisideals

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He gets me

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DogeForPres

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not necessarily duelist but movement ability to take space seems like a necessity for sure.

Maybe u could get away with an omen for entries but its a lot more difficult and I don't really see an upside to running no duelist rn until a non duelist with a better movement ability is added

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cloudberry

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So what you're saying is if you have movement or space taking abilities on other agents, you don't need to run a duelist?

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DogeForPres

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in my opinion yeah, especially in pro play where the KJ Viper comp is meta and its so easy to seal people off sites if they can't take space with movement abilities

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Liwus

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Good luck going against an Odin without duelist. Lotus and Ascent are hard mode without a "gap closer"

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Nachtel

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Yoru is by far the most underrated duelist on Lotus, people are just more comfortable with raze and neon tho

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Wellthisisbad

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But how? Flashes in lotus really aren’t needed and raze and neon both have space taking util raze satchels, nade and boombot, neon stun, slide and wall all allow for actual space taking instead of flashes which will be dodged at this high level of competition. Yoru gives you quite literally nothing that you need on lotus.

The only way yoru could work is if you use breach but even then neon and raze both work better off breach util because they’re harder to hit when they go to capitalize on stunned/flashed enemies.

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Nachtel

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Yorus tps are equally as good as neon slide to create space on a and c. b is definitely neon's territory though.

You're treating him too much like an initiator; he's a movement duelist like the others, and teams like G2/Gen.G/Fnatic/NRG/KC/Heretics have realized that fact and utilize him as such

The issue is that nobody knows how to play yoru, and a large segment of players that do don't know how to play him as a duelist, the exceptions being marteen, icy, meteor, rb, OXY, and ethan

EDIT: Derke and Miniboo too

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Galactc

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Tbf M80 have a no duelist comp that sweept na t2 so maybe it depends on how you play it

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Popppings

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Its getting removed in about 15 days so i wouldnt bother figuring it out

#23

cloudberry

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Oh yeah it is :(

#22

Pengu12

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https://www.vlr.gg/378665/sentinels-vs-funplus-phoenix-valorant-champions-2024-elim-b

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Clucker

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Lowkey 4 ini and 1 smoke would fry this map