The MongolZ situation in VCJ

Hi. Player from The MongolZ here. I currently feel like shit right now because we've spent 6 months of intense practice hoping to get into whatever Challengers League we can get into through Premier.

Firstly we did try HK & TW before but the circuit point system seemed unfair. There is absolutely no way to qualify into VCT Ascension through hk tw premier. Asian Premier sends us to HK TW Split 2 Promo/Relo where we fight for a slot in Split 2 and an additional 15 circuit points. Even if we get the 15 circuit points, teams coming in from hk tw split 1 already has a minimum of 30-40 points. So if we win promo/relo and split 2 there is absolutely no way of qualifying to ascension because of the circuit points system.

That's why we decided to go into VCJ because they have no circuit points system, only one winner goes to VCT Ascension. (Keep in mind we have 60-65ms to HK, 65-70 ms to Tokyo which is not that much of a difference for us). We won EP8A3 Premier (Contender League) and EP9A1 (Invite Division). Each qualifies the top 4 teams into VCJ Split 3 Advance Stage Phase 1 (total of 8).
As of now we haven't received any emails regarding the qualification notice from riot so we got worried and asked other qualified team players if they had received an email or not. They've already had received the email. To my understanding the main thing that stopped us from getting invited was the rule that says Japan Challengers teams must have 3/5 Japanese residents in order to compete. But the main thing is we qualified through VALORANT Premier. Twice. Also there was a Mongolian Team (Kobolds) that was able to play in the hk tw challengers through premier. Keep in mind that HK & TW and Japan has the same 3/5 players rule.

This is totally unfair and we've worked hard for this. We're not just some random 5 players playing for fun. We are an organization and we're all signed players trying our best to represent Mongolia. Idk why Riot is treating us like this. I thought VALORANT Challengers rule did not apply to teams advancing from VALORANT Premier.

And for some random reason our official slot is in Valorant Turkiye (where we have 150ms).

u are from sigmaland, tough luck

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I feel bad for u guys. I would personally like u guys just destroying the PH Tier 2 circuit, Mongolia deserves a spot in VCT

The rules changed mid split and no one told you guys. Fuck these ppl running the scene tbh

am i tripping or am i right to think that mongolia should just feed into cn tier 1?

Justice for the Mongolz

Justice for the Mongolians and their Region

Fuck you Riot, relegate 1 JP Team and put a Mongolian Team in APAC Region (which actually won a LAN in FPS T1 unlike Japan’s dogshit Teams)

GOD ALLAH YHWACH SATAN PLEASE HELP MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS

yea that's fucked up, if there's no leagues that include your country they could/should make the exception here.

tag TacticalRab on twitter, he'll get the issue to broader international audience. More people to know the issue the better.

I think ur best option here is to contact vcl jp head and work out a compromise as these rules were implemented after you started playing.
I think they feel like Japanese fans will be mad to see a non Japanese team in vclj

i deadass feel bad for you guys, and i hope riot actually do something about this instead of do nothing like fucking idiots

wasting talent and potential just because of that stupid rule, at least if you want to reinforce the rule make another circuit for these countries to compete in

Its a huge problem in t2 that rules arent clear and accessible
Premier is confusing, rulebooks arent public or incomplete. Riots official communications are lackluster so its up to the TO of every league to get this stuff out there, and they quite honestly just dont seem equipped for it.

Were lucky in polaris that we have Bodork who actually finds stuff out for us and posts it publicly to avoid situations like this, but even then you just get blind sighted by so much
(e.g. GC players being allowed to play in CL... which after months of asking got an answer from riot only after premier started, just as a fck you to any gc teams)

The HK & TW does actually suck though, wtf is that system x.x

Good luck bro

tough luck brother. hopefully future is bright for you.

Good luck!

good luck my fellow mongolian brothers

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The main issue is that yes there are Mongolian teams competing in HK / TW and SEA, but those regions ALSO have "3 / 5 players" rules in place.

Why can the exception be made in those challengers leagues but not Japan?

So all the comments about how we are "not reading the rules" really aren't understanding the full context of the situation. The rules in place don't give us a fair chance at competition. Are we supposed to inherently wait for HK / TW to make another exception? What about SEA? There is no official number of "Exception" slots.

Not to mention the fact that the official response from Riot didn't even MENTION Turkey is crazy too. We only found out about it from searching through all of the rulebooks themselves. (Those rulebooks aren't easily publicly available either)

The reason Riot's official response doesn't even cover this is because they know it doesn't make sense. Theres physically no way for us to compete there.

You have my condolences and I hope you get what you deserve <3

U cant even win in hktw bruh fuck is u yappin bout

Oh yeah and by the way, before going in to Japanese premier zone, i did ask Riot about if we could play in it and qualify into further tournaments. They basically said yes. I wrote a ticket. ( screenshot on my twitter acc https://x.com/consz9 )

My question: "Hello! We are a team residing in Mongolia and we were wondering if we could compete in Japan's Premier Zone (Contender League) and advance to Promotion/Relegation Tournament on august. We think that there might be a zone restriction because we're Mongolians. We have no issue playing on Tokyo servers. (we have 60-70ms which is optimal for us) Thank You!"

Their answer: Hello there,

Thanks for reaching out ot us!

You see, the choice of servers depends on your shard, and all possible servers are listed in the list of zones that are available for selection during the creation of the command.

And if this or that server is not on your shard, then selecting it will not work, there is no error.

Shard is the name of a specific set of servers, depending on your region.

I hope I have made this clear, but if you still have questions, let me know!

bump, this is fucked up. good luck on the future!

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Even TRINITY could join SEA Split 3 when they said they created that league for SEA, so why can't they join the Japan league too? Is Riot being this bias toward Japan?

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2024/Southeast_Asia/Split_3
https://x.com/esportsid_/status/1822669154513817960

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good luck
L rito

That is fucked. But I don’t think competing in Japan should be the solution. Riot REALLY needs to bring back the CIS league, it’s been long enough and it’s been causing problems for a good while

wtf riot has to fix this you guys deserve to go to the lan.

I’m sorry to hear that, but to me the fault is mostly on you guys, and I will try to explain why, because it’s not too late to qual to split 3, and if you didn’t have make the same administrative you would have been already qual.

"Firstly we did try HK & TW before but the circuit point system seemed unfair. There is absolutely no way to qualify into VCT Ascension through hk tw premier."
You failed to go to asc, because you didn’t qualify to T2, and you fail to qualify to T2 because you fail to register in the region Riot put Mongolia in (Riot choose to put you in HKTW), this isnt an ascention point question (or maybe they are something I didn't catch).

"Asian Premier sends us to HK TW Split 2 Promo/Relo where we fight for a slot in Split 2 and an additional 15 circuit points."
Correct me if i’m wrong but I’m almost sure you never qual to promo-relo in Hong Kong ?

"Even if we get the 15 circuit points, teams coming in from hk tw split 1 already has a minimum of 30-40 points. So if we win promo/relo and split 2 there is absolutely no way of qualifying to ascension because of the circuit points system."
This is true, but this is a complain Kobold should do, it’s not really relevant to explain how you are not in T2 yet.

"That's why we decided to go into VCJ because they have no circuit points system, only one winner goes to VCT Ascension."
It's not allowed to go to JP for 5 Mongolian players, and about ascention you have 2 splits to qual to HKTW and if you do you would be the team with adventage, this is a problem only if you fail the 2 next promo/relo, but if you qual for split 3 or 1 you are the one that will have the advantage (And the rule will change anyway since SEA have fuse)

"Also there was a Mongolian Team (Kobolds) that was able to play in the hk tw challengers through premier. Keep in mind that HK & TW and Japan has the same 3/5 players rule."
That because Riot decided to put Mongolia in HKTW, not in Japan, in HKTW the "3/5 players rule" count Mongolian player as residential player, not in Japan

I found this tweet https://x.com/consz9/status/1824012737636073960 , this is the part where it is Riot fault, the support did answer bad, and they answer bad for one reason : Support isn’t here to answer to question related to esport, last year I reach the support to ask them « Hey, Bogota Premier is in LAS, but Colombia residency is in LAN, so is Colombia LAN or LAS ? » they where not able to answer to me. If you have question I recommand asking it to T2 tournament organisator (it is not Riot), this maybe this support ticket is only reason why you can advocate your case to Riot, but I'm not sure they will accept, maybe if Japan TO accept they may be lenient.

Now this is the part where I told you everything is not lost and I beleive you will qualify for next split. This is the liquipedia page of split 3 https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2024/Southeast_Asia/Split_3 this is your region and this is the only region you can qual, and as you can see they are 3 spot that isnt given, that because this 3 places will be awarded in the next Premier split, you just have to register in the SEA Premier in next act, and be top 3, and you would be a part of T2, you can and you will do it guys.

tldr ; The only region you are allowed to play is Hong Kong Taiwan (Now South East Asia), and thats where come all your problem, you will qual if you go to SEA premier. If you need any help concerning the T3 (especially with the restructuration of APAC everything may be a little bit more complex) dont hesitate to reach me on discord, I’m pretty avaliable and I would love to help you guys since the problem is mostly adminitrativen, . (I know the mecanism on T3 because I make a tons of data on it, especially in SEA where I try to keep track of roster nationality)

Bonus : Now SEA have fused all together and become THAT STACK, you are letgitimate to talk about « What part of T2 Mongolia should be », based on your unique position, you are legitimate to ask Riot if Mongolia can be a part of 1 other region, or multiple T2 region (Taiwan player can play in T2 in both SEA and China) SEA is best for ping ATM, Japan lack of player, KR might be closer in term of ping, but that would mean Riot can find a way to let you access to KR sever and you might even have a better ping than HK, to me China could be a perfect match, because the region is still young and a little bit weak, and if Riot create a server in China that is accessible in Mongolia (Probably Tianjin ?), you guys could finally start to play with a good ping, also, since they are a server only for Far East Russia (Not optimal for Siberia), maybe you could negociate the creation of a Server in Mongolia for Siberian player

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FUCK RIOT!!!
FUCK LEO FARIA!!
FUCK JAKE SIN!!!

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