Rumor:Ascention Pacific Tokyo→Jakarta？

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Echo_fox

https://x.com/tanmayymhatre/status/1821535583258181724?s=46&t=e04cIxsMxSzf_pkeDawWTQ

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is that fr?

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yipie

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WHY?
logistical issue = sell the streaming right to soop?

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Players prob couldnt secure Visa's in time

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If it's true, for the first time we have home advantage..

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XERXIA get grouped last year

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sscary got buff

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Echo_fox

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At least alexRr don't know it
https://x.com/aleeexrr/status/1821542166935777515?s=46&t=e04cIxsMxSzf_pkeDawWTQ

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he knows now and he's fucking PISSED and rightfully so, all disguised fans are/should be

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hifixamp

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LFG, feel bad tho for anyone whos already buy flight ticket to tokyo.

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Joko_From_Ngawi

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TAMAN ANGGREK BUFF 🔥🔥🔥 🦅🦅🦅

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Strangelord_

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Ngga mungkin sekelas ascension di taman anggrek bro

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Echo_fox

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Officially Ascention will hold at Jakarta.
FUCK RIOT.

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Aayan

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~~Where is the official confirmation?, I can't find it~~

nvm found it literally like 2 seconds later in another thread
https://valorantesports.com/en-SG/news/update-to-ascension-pacific-2024
here it is for anyone else wondering

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arin2016

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I'm still fucking pissed about this. I can't believe they did that shit.

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luckypleb

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wwwww cope

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arin2016

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Food poison incoming

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1fhrer

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Food poison??
U think indonesia that in???
LOL

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Dattadri_sai

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like if it was held in japan u would come, you aint from japan buddy

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arin2016

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Whatever helps you sleep at night

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Dattadri_sai

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idk why people do this, i fell bad for people like u tbh

Well keep dreaming tho maybe one day you can work there and become their citizen xD

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arin2016

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Bro is trying his damndest to bait out an answer from me lmao
You're not Ayanokoji, let it rest buddy

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Fruitless

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who ayanokoji bro?

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Kim_Minjii

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Lmao bro tryna be japanese so bad, stop watching anime shit buddy

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arin2016

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Why are you accusing echo out of nowhere lmao
Also why are Indians obsessed with uncovering the identities of Japanese flags? Are you disappointed that Japanese are not kawaii wholesome and rude?

b0tsaken keke

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LabO_

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It's official :o

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SleepyBear

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Logistic problems or economic problems?

they plan to cut costs next year by limiting SEA to one region and they have already started this year ?💀

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Echo_fox

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There may be issues related to the distorted tournament format.
In Tokyo, seven out of ten days were match days, but that might still not be enough.

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SleepyBear

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so their suck format with no lower bracket to cut the budget and it's still not enough ? they dont have money 💀

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Aayan

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good news theres a lower bracket

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nice so he listens to me

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simo98

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Could be visa problem for outside japan
https://x.com/tixxVAL/status/1821715593172861021?t=DrQyiZxtQc5K65OuC9doGg&s=19

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I say bullshit. I don't know what kind of visa they get for players but Viet people are getting their visas in five days or a week max.
Most of the teams should be getting their visa in a similar time barring a few regions.

This is has to be a money issue or something.

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simo98

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Welp I get visa like 3-4 months 2 years ago for goin to japan

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arin2016

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Tourist VISA shouldn't take that long but I don't know where you're from or if there was a processing error in your documents.

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simo98

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Nope it's for job

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arin2016

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Then that was probably because of COE. That was prerequisite for the visa, not the actual visa application process.

If you're considering a job in Japan, you should apply for COE well in advance. You shouldn't wait until you 100% secure the job.

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luckypleb

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this is true. but also this confirms arin is not a nipponjin

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Bro imma be honest, I'm gonna be more surprised if he actually isn't, he knows the scene more than you think 😅

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Kim_Minjii

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Its from SZ player itself, tf you say bullshit

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bearmans

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indo ragebaiter, what do you expect.

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arin2016

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I saw that tweet dumbass. Something might have went wrong for him but that doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. What an idiot. Go ask in any public travel forums about JP visa.

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Some example of visa issues:

Indian players Skrossi & Lightningfast had to wait till April 2023 to debut in VCT Pacific (6 months of Visa since November)
2023 Americas ascension held in brazil instead of US, Leo Faria said: for BR ascension player to go to US, they would need 6 months of VISA application (No surprise Mexico is chosen for americas ascension this year).
Jemkin and Xccurate took 3 months for their VISA to go Korea (improvement, but still 3 months).

TLDR: Not everyone has 1st world country passport to travel to Japan, some could take 3 months +

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This is why I said "barring a few regions". This has little to do with being first world. Vietnam isn't exactly a first world country, is it now? Neither is Philipenis, whom are easily getting VISAs in Japan nowadays because it was made easier for them in the new law.

What Riot should do is help these players (who are not the majority) get the VISA. You're telling me a company like Riot can't manage that? If the Indian players couldn't get VISA in most countries, should Riot switch the venue to India? I don't think so man.

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simo98

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Nope even big company like EA can't do anything with MxS in apex legends
This also why CS dead in asia, taking care diff country in Asia is hard

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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So the problem has to be riot's scheduling and scale. The 1 month gap is clearly not enough. But riot can't forward the schedule much more as that would make sp1 pointless(if they aren't already).

Let's be real, an indonesian or Indian getting a visa to japan will take a long time unless someone hand over bribes 😅. So in the first place , the decision to hold ascension in Tokyo is already a bad move.( counter point : prx can get the papers done going to masters berlin while bren esports couldn't , so the orgs can also be a factor when we're talking about visa
Source : https://www.vlr.gg/35778/bren-esports-unable-to-make-masters-berlin )

And also riot pacific wants to save money 😅

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simo98

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Yep esport still hard to get recognize in asia (unless ur from east asia)
It's literally different like they taking care traditional sport.

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Huyab

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Let's be real, an indonesian or Indian getting a visa to japan will take a long time unless someone hand over bribes

Its actually easier for indonesian and Thais to visit Japan since Japan gives free visa for 15 days for both countries. But other countries in SEA such as the Philippines, Vietnam, etc who attended ascension this year does not have the same priviledge like the others.

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Kim_Minjii

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Bruhh even dota major still have visa problem in some player, so if they need special visa to that country what do u expect when ur country have bad at processing visa?

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Warlordwibz

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JP Valorant comfirm ascension moving to Jakarta
https://twitter.com/valesportscl_jp/status/1821713002783240307?s=61&t=Ehwaoq90CIGM1fQLQJ4VqA

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W

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w for changing the format, but changing the location this close to the tournament date is just peak incompetence from Riot and Japanese organizers

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I think because of the signal of earthquake in Japan according to news in Japan. Riot does not want to risk. So, if it happens it surely get effected to everyone.

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Isn't Indonesia also one of the more earthquake-prone countries? Pretty sure Japan is THE country you wanna be in if an earthquake happens

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Kim_Minjii

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Yes we have a lot of volcano but mostly the earthquake destruction scale is very low compared how often earthquake in japan

But ofc we have huge scale in the past

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Of course there are many earthquakes in Japan, but most of them are not dangerous, especially in Tokyo and Chiba (Masters Tokyo was held in Chiba).

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I actually think riot is to blame here.

Rage ( the japanese TO) mentioned about unable to maintain :

Streaming availability(?) ,Tbh i have no clue what this means. It could mean from lack of proper equipment( not likely) , to streaming rights issue (clash between soop and YouTube? But I can't see how Rage is affected by this. Etc)
Restrictions on tournament format ( you can cross this out, this is riot's decision)
"potential risk of a deterioration of the playing environment for participating teams" ( its probably visa issues)

Regarding visa issues, you also have to think about the orgs participating, maybe it could be the orgs who are unable to competently get the visa in time ( remember bren incident in masters berlin)

In short; I think riot promised to much and rage is just the half scapegoat 🤣, however the condition is too vague (either by purpose or not ) to point fingers at anyone

Source: https://www.valorant4jp.com/2024/08/vct-ascension-pacific-2024.html?m=1

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arin2016

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Someone said "あと食事（特に水）もどうなんだろ" lmfao

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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💀 the few moments where translating with Google translate still felt funny af

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eva_3

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Riot's format was not received well from community so they made change. So to play double elimination bracket they had to extend tournament for a day.
Most of the venues are reserved as much as year before.
But Rage could not get venue or extend as all of the venues in summer is already reserved. Which resulted relocation to Jakarta.

Rage probably had to pay fines for cancellation.
So riot did not save much money for relocation, it might have been more expensive to relocate.

In the future, some venues are going to reject hosting esport events based on this event making it harder to host another event Japan.

This is general sentiment of Japanese community from what I've read.

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Wait so rage couldn't get an extension ( which is impossible from the condition you've just pointed out) , for an out of a sudden decision that riot made?

Yeah I think rage really had their hands tied.

Hot take, I think riot pacific is really a bad business partner for RAGE. This information if true actually says a lot more about riot than RAGE to me. If I am RAGE's CEO I'll be putting Jake sin's head on a pike right now 🤣

Assuming that all of this is true ofc

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eva_3

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Yeah, for example if you want to use main venue for saitama super arena which Zeta vs NTH happened you have to reserve it 13 months before event happens.
And if you cancel 1-3 months before event happens you have to pay full price or 75% depending on which arena you wanted to use.

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Lol I think riot didn't do their research when someone on the board says " let's hold ascension in japan " 🤣.

Rage really became the scapegoat because of riot's indecisiveness 💀. I expect J0ke sin is currently being rinsed over the phone so badly by RAGE'S CEO rn 🤣

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I mean yeah
Riot usually announced tier 2 after tier 1 getting started and its just announced not even started, looks how seoul getting rumoured champion after LA
It's almost 1 year before

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I guess that means riot often needs to make the right decision and either little room for error

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simo98

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It's same situation like xset vs Navi
It's happen but riot can't take it and change to late also make some people mad