Japan or India (valorant)

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We all know ZETA run in 2022 was cinderalla run so cant even really take that into account can we

Japan valorant is compared to the other leagues quite bad im afraid. We have 2 jp teams in vct and theyre both doing really bad, the only notable thing was ZETA qualifying for champs last year but even then very questionable performance

pretty much whole dfm roster this year and last year (except meiy obviously) are very medicore players, with ZETA crow hiroronn

seriously questioning now whether india in val might become better in future years than japan

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japan has talents though

like meiy and some tier2 guys

indias best tier 2 team is carried by 2 kazakhs

that venka guy is good though and skrossi is decent

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we have decent players but we don't have em together. The rosters are like 2/1 young prodigy with 3/4 washed veteran.

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india has also some nice talents

venka
deadly10
dm (not young anymore but can shoot back)
techno
karam1l (not young anymore but can shoot back)
skrossi

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compare to japan its like night and day. most of the good tier 2 japan players are comfortable on their respective org cos they pay the same amount as tier 1

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vcj hard diffs GE

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Geographically JP benefits heavily by scrimming VCT teams that are in KR. JP has really good org support, JP has the finance to maintain e-sport scene in long term and has ambitious LAN event. JP > India and it's not even close.

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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it's not even close.

I disagree. It is closer than people think. Im really looking forward to apac ascension, we will then see whether indian t2 can hold up with the scene or not.

And also all the points you mentioned, do they not speak against japan? Despite all of the resources they have theyre still at the level they are?

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Last year despite there being 2 japanese team in the top scene and the indian team in tier 1 being mostly import,Japan's ascension team reached the final of ascension, while India's best that dominated SA failed to get a single win. What more evidence do you want?

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Last year

I think indian t2 has improved this year

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japan's ascension team with 2 russians and 1 filipino 💀 okay brother

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Iirc, One of the russian and the filipino has dual citizenship with their other citizenship being japanese so they are both japanese citizen. And yoshii is ethnically japanese, not sure about kr1stal.

Scarz is as japanese as RVNT is Indian

Edit: yoshii listed as having two citizenship
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/Yoshiii

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I'm not going to overrate japan but istg this narative about japan being bad is srsly starting to annoy me

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jp challengers is best challengers

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KClaw

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Yo what , na challengers is best, it's like vct level mate , haven't u ever watched na challengers???

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chrlxz

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yeah i watched loads of na challengers

the players are good but its boring

jp challengers >>

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japan better anyday

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I still think JP > India rn

Hopefully India will match Japan's level in the future

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japan future is bright there's alot of upcoming talent

meiy
bazz
yatsuka
yowamu
minty
syouta

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Yeah zeta had a shaky performance in champs 2022 but I feel like if they played blg first instead of fnc they would have at least made playoffs instead of blg but like them they would have gone 0-2 in playoffs

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India has too many social problems (starting with religion) to ever become competetive in Valorant. The amount of talent should obviously be there but theres no space for that talent to flourish.

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honestly meiy shld GP somewhere else

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Japan have no potential, they have not enough people to have a viable T1, having 2 or 3 team in T1 is enough for Japan.

India is still an undeveloped country with access to PC, population of India is higher than population of full APAC, in long term when the country will become the top 3 power in the world (That will probably happen during the 2030's/2040's years), the country may become a T1, in, the same fashion than LoL in China raised until they come a T1 region starting from nothing, that can't happen for Japan.

But today it's too early, and they can be glad they have a T2 region, Subsaharia doesn't have a T2 region (yet, I believe next year they will have their T2 region, so we can have 8 regions in EMEA and drop the playin with a horrible format)

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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saying india is still an undeveloped country is crazy but i agree with your other points

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If I would be more precise, I would say they are in between, they are not fully developed everywhere, some places are developed, some places are not, I'm curious the know how mush Indian have access to a PC for example, or water that home directly to their house and other intresting dats, if you have it I gladelt take it.

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By that logic korea should be worse than japan and that's not what happens.

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Korea fill their population gap, by PC culture, league being the "national sport" really helps and will probably keep korea alive for a long time.
When it relates to one precise sport a country can found themself in 3 situations (They have some in between ofc but thats for making understand) :

1/ National sport (Korea)
2/ Sport already conquer that market (NA-EU-SEA-JP-BR)
3/ Sport didn't developed yet (MENA-Subsaharia-India)

With enough marketing effort and when the country is enough developed, you can always make a country in 3/ into 2/, and what will differentiate a country in 2/ is their population. A country in 1/ will always be able to fight against any other country in 2/ even if 2/ have x100 their population.
In Val KR is in 1.5/ (Because of PC culture, but thats not at the level of a LoL that is truly a national sport) while Japan is around 2.

What is fun, is that every T1 region without the undeveloped part got roughly 1G population (1 000 000 000 population)

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Wait I should have asked this beforehand, what do you mean by "viable" Tier 1?

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The creation of the 5th continental Valorant league that will have enough level and enough viewer to make it viable (but we could add more criteria, like enough good structure etc...)

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Oh no wonder why I felt the disconnect. I don't think japan can make it's own tier 1 too . What I'm talking is japan in franchising .

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D: Things happen !
Do you think in 15 years India might have their own T1 league ?

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Provided that their pc cultures grow gradually , then yes they can tbh , however riot srsly needs to market their game better to Indians

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Val on phone is a start since phone market is a big thing

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japan > india

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In the distant future yeah India > japan in terms of vct

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I think JP teams have players who can build one strong team, and it's hard to do that realistically

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as much as I hate both of them (in valorant) I think japan still better than india in terms of everything